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PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
Hamilton is a breeze to drive in. One way streets are fine because the directions alternate pretty reliably. Miss your turn? Two streets down is another going in the same way. The lack of left turn lanes in Toronto may be pretty poo poo but again it's all a breeze compared to the east coast. St. John's has intersections like loving Rawlin's Cross and Ordinance/Military with 5+ roads converging on one intersection, as well as random patches of one way streets that have one or two legitimate exits but will otherwise lead you in circles. And the rest of the Atlantic provinces aren't much better.

Trust me when I say the fact most of Southern Ontario is a grid makes it infinitely superior to most of the rest of the country's garbage roads. European style roadways (ie. following terrain and features) are a special hell.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 8, 2016

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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Driving in metro Vancouver is like being in a literal circle of hell

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

JVNO posted:

European style roadways (ie. following terrain and features) are a special hell.

At least there's a reason for this, since streets weren't really "planned." What really sucks is when lovely fuckass suburbs in new cities (like Calgary) try to approximate the same thing and it's loving impossible to find anything. What was so wrong with a grid system? Why did we have to create a bunch of lovely concentric circles and culdesacs? Additionally, why the gently caress are you naming all the roads in a community with near-identical names???

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

PT6A posted:

At least there's a reason for this, since streets weren't really "planned." What really sucks is when lovely fuckass suburbs in new cities (like Calgary) try to approximate the same thing and it's loving impossible to find anything. What was so wrong with a grid system? Why did we have to create a bunch of lovely concentric circles and culdesacs? Additionally, why the gently caress are you naming all the roads in a community with near-identical names???

What are you talking about, it's so easy to find your way to my house! Just turn left on Hillview Crescent, then left again on Parkland Drive, then a right on Glendale Street, then continue straight until Glendale turns into Cedarwood, and then a quick left on Pineview Road, and you're right there!

BallsFalls
Oct 18, 2013

PT6A posted:

Additionally, why the gently caress are you naming all the roads in a community with near-identical names???

There's a special place in hell for people who do this

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
What do you mean its hard to find my suburban house???

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!

PT6A posted:

At least there's a reason for this, since streets weren't really "planned." What really sucks is when lovely fuckass suburbs in new cities (like Calgary) try to approximate the same thing and it's loving impossible to find anything. What was so wrong with a grid system? Why did we have to create a bunch of lovely concentric circles and culdesacs? Additionally, why the gently caress are you naming all the roads in a community with near-identical names???

I don't mind themed names- there's a division in Mount Pearl (St. John's sister 'city') where all the street names are various gemstones (Ruby Line, Emerald Drive, etc.) That's actually a somewhat useful heuristic for finding your way around town- even if you don't know exactly where a street is, you can usually get nearby and look around if you're desperate.

but holy poo poo that roadmap BallsFalls posted is hilarious and the planners must hate people.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

JVNO posted:

I don't mind themed names- there's a division in Mount Pearl (St. John's sister 'city') where all the street names are various gemstones (Ruby Line, Emerald Drive, etc.) That's actually a somewhat useful heuristic for finding your way around town- even if you don't know exactly where a street is, you can usually get nearby and look around if you're desperate.

Or you could use a simple numbered grid system and it's trivial to find your way around!

If the names are themed but distinct from each other, that's one thing. When you have (to use an example): Ranchview Dr, Ranchlands Dr, Ranchlands Blvd, Ranchridge Dr, Ranchridge Crescent, Ranchview Circle, it's loving terrible.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

PT6A posted:

Or you could use a simple numbered grid system and it's trivial to find your way around!

If the names are themed but distinct from each other, that's one thing. When you have (to use an example): Ranchview Dr, Ranchlands Dr, Ranchlands Blvd, Ranchridge Dr, Ranchridge Crescent, Ranchview Circle, it's loving terrible.



I took this screenshot when this place was new, and I was helping out someone who was lost in the area. The Copper-whatever street the dude lived on wasn't in any maps yet, and finding the house was a goddamn nightmare. I think we had to use GPS coordinates in the end.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Looks like something I'd make in Cities Skylines

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Try going from one military base to another, where all the streets have the same 20 names but they're all arranged differently.

Breadner & Dieppe? Those don't intersecoh hell what system are you on, why are you sending me calls from Wainwright

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

jm20 posted:

What do you mean its hard to find my suburban house???



This is what hell looks like.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Tighclops posted:

This is what hell looks like.

Markham.jpg

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

PT6A posted:

At least there's a reason for this, since streets weren't really "planned." What really sucks is when lovely fuckass suburbs in new cities (like Calgary) try to approximate the same thing and it's loving impossible to find anything. What was so wrong with a grid system? Why did we have to create a bunch of lovely concentric circles and culdesacs? Additionally, why the gently caress are you naming all the roads in a community with near-identical names???

It's extremely intentional. The whole post-war suburb phenomenon was about getting away from ordered city type environments, and building more towny feeling small street communities. The car-centric windy streets that don't connect to anything are so that people won't be driving along your street (unless they live there). Large parts of it are basically grounded in 'keep the poors out'.

The spirit lives on today in the opposition to basement suites.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
People buy pick up trucks because they are fat. It's to carry them, not their tools.

Also probably why pick up truck drivers are the worst - too fat to ever have been a pedestrian or cyclist. Anyone in a hatchback is probably relatively active.

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

cowofwar posted:

People buy pick up trucks because they are fat. It's to carry them, not their tools.

Also probably why pick up truck drivers are the worst - too fat to ever have been a pedestrian or cyclist. Anyone in a hatchback is probably relatively active.

I thought this was CI at first.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
https://twitter.com/sarahboesveld/status/696812541939290112

Third witness, worse than Lucy. Instead of writing Ghomeshi notes, well... and she forgot about it until Friday afternoon whereupon she went to the police station and updated her statement.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos

Excelsiortothemax posted:

I thought this was CI at first.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...atal-collisions

Large passenger vehicles cause 228% more fatal collisions. Also they are demonstrably worse drivers as well with more non-vehicular accidents.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

While driving in toronto was a pain in the rear end, I really did appreciate the grid system they used downtown. Seriously, everyone should use grids they rule.

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

cowofwar posted:

People buy pick up trucks because they are fat. It's to carry them, not their tools.

Also probably why pick up truck drivers are the worst - too fat to ever have been a pedestrian or cyclist. Anyone in a hatchback is probably relatively active.

I live in a town with slightly less than 100,000 people in it, and almost every other vehicle on the road is a pick-up truck (usually incredibly pristine and shiny), and I can attest that the obesity rate here is huge.

There are also an absurd amount of people on mobility scooters, very few non-chain restaurants, and an incredible distrust (to say the least) of First Nations.

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Monaghan posted:

While driving in toronto was a pain in the rear end, I really did appreciate the grid system they used downtown. Seriously, everyone should use grids they rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9awJCyjt550

Geoid
Oct 18, 2005
Just Add Water

mojo1701a posted:

I live in a town with slightly less than 100,000 people in it, and almost every other vehicle on the road is a pick-up truck (usually incredibly pristine and shiny), and I can attest that the obesity rate here is huge.

There are also an absurd amount of people on mobility scooters, very few non-chain restaurants, and an incredible distrust (to say the least) of First Nations.

I'd say I'm pretty sure it's hard to fit a mobility scooter into a hatchback, but I'm pretty sure I could get one into a Fit.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Ikantski posted:

https://twitter.com/sarahboesveld/status/696812541939290112

Third witness, worse than Lucy. Instead of writing Ghomeshi notes, well... and she forgot about it until Friday afternoon whereupon she went to the police station and updated her statement.

yeah there's like zero chance he gets convicted, right?

does this trial even get to the defense?

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

No way in hell the defence is calling him to testify. It would be like being on pace for a 4 minute mile, and then making GBS threads yourself and falling asleep in a pile of your own poo poo just before the finish line.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I like your stories

:)


Here's another: once in Australia my husband and I were doing some business stuff in a suburb called North Lakes and we thought "ok well we'll just drive around the suburb for a bit and discuss if we want to buy whatever we were going there to look at, I can't remember now."

We really quickly completely lost track of where we were, drove around for like two hours, and the suburb was both brand new and so suburban that half the houses were still empty and the other half had people who all went to work in the city, so there was literally no one there. It was also so new that it didn't really have cell service, this was in 2009 or so, so we couldn't look up Google maps, and they probably wouldn't have included North Lakes at the time. Thank God eventually we ran into some Jehovah's witnesses that were in the area failing at finding people to convert, and they told us how to get back onto the highway.

For a while I thought we were going to die in there.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Jordan7hm posted:

yeah there's like zero chance he gets convicted, right?

does this trial even get to the defense?

I would be a bad judge, my knowledge of the trial is based mostly on saucy tweets. Was there any good evidence that didn't make the news? Apparently they're calling another witness from Nova Scotia now. I wasn't expecting the trial to be this crazy, the collusion thing today was pretty nuts too.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
The controversy around CAMH and the GIC continues in a really long article: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Dreylad posted:

The controversy around CAMH and the GIC continues in a really long article: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html
I, for one, am shocked that ideological purity trumped good science and policy.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Dreylad posted:

The controversy around CAMH and the GIC continues in a really long article: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html

The experiences of trans people I've read are far different than the hand-wringing examples the GIC is claiming makes them hold back on supportive treatment of gender dysphoria. The article itself states that clinicians who get to know kids through therapy can start to pick out which one have gender dysphoria and which ones don't. That seems like the exact role of a therapist to me? Zucker just seems like a clinician who was going against fairly agreed upon treatment options.

The review seems to have been shoddy, which is unfortunate. It seems like an unfortunate, typically Canadian healthcare story all around. Administration drags their feet for ages on a treatment issue that needs to be addressed, caves to external pressure and hires amateurs to solve their problems and sloppily implements remedies. I know I've seen petitions to get this guy removed around Toronto and online for years. Why didn't CAMH look into this properly?

This whole case seems to be a perfect storm of lovely, underfunded (the fact that they had to lay off the one other gender dysphoria specialist is pretty shameful) mental health services and the fact that we can't take trans people at their word when they tell us how they would like to be treated by healthcare professionals until hands are forced.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Ghomeshi trial is scandalous, witness listen to news reports of trial and proceeds to update testimony and it gets out one witness has communicated extensively with another without informing anyone. Friendship through common experience is possible but whao 5 thousand messages between them that were not disclosed looks real bad.

I bet Mr Q is 'BDSM' MRA that can't wait to say it's only role play as he chokes his next lover.

David Corbett
Feb 6, 2008

Courage, my friends; 'tis not too late to build a better world.

cowofwar posted:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...atal-collisions

Large passenger vehicles cause 228% more fatal collisions. Also they are demonstrably worse drivers as well with more non-vehicular accidents.

I'm dismayed to say that, if anything, this makes me more likely to buy a larger vehicle. Until regulations are put in place to prevent this modern-day Tragedy of the Commons, the only winning move is to take part. This is especially true in Calgary, where large vehicles are absurdly common. (Someone who stalks my post history can probably find me whining in AI back in, like, 2008 about this.) I don't drive a small car - I own a current-generation Honda Accord, which by global standards is rather large - but in Calgary, it seems positively miniscule. Especially as I get closer to starting a family, I can say with some confidence that my next car will probably be an SUV. It helps that I actually do go off-road from time to time, as my family owns some land out in the country.

edit: There is absolutely a psychodemographic thing going on with pickup truck drivers, though. At least in Calgary, they appear to be overwhelmingly cut from the same cloth: male, white, bald, bad sunglasses, ill-advised facial hair (usually a goatee), lousy sunglasses, chubby cheeks and a bull neck. Pickup rates among other ethnicities are far lower; I only very rarely see a Chinese person driving a pickup truck, and it throws me every time.

David Corbett fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Feb 9, 2016

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011
It sounds to me like Ghomeshi's defence is "ya i assaulted then but they're all whores who liked it anyway"

Hopefully this awful victim blaming defence doesn't work out for him.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
The weight difference between the vehicles is the real killer. If their car is 2x or more than yours you will suffer more g-force and likely die of trauma. You will typically not survive hitting a loaded dump truck head on at speed in any vehicle, even the precious suv/half ton/three quarter ton pickups despite them being roughly the same size as the baby dump trucks.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

A Typical Goon posted:

It sounds to me like Ghomeshi's defence is "ya i assaulted then but they're all whores who liked it anyway"

Hopefully this awful victim blaming defence doesn't work out for him.

I think his defense is "these people are not reliable witnesses", at least beyond a reasonable doubt.

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Dreylad posted:

The controversy around CAMH and the GIC continues in a really long article: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html
Possbly a driveby but:

It's a dumb puff piece, chairing the DSM-V committee with Blanchard didn't make the committee side with their theories (one paper called the results irreproducible in the field) on most points except the most elementary ones.

The whole thing about trans minors is that at this point Zucker is one of the few researchers in the field making it a hill worth dying on. The originator of the idea that most trans kids detransition already backtracked after reviewing their own results, it turns out that yes it mostly lines up with the diagnosis of minor GD (and that losing track of half your cohort isn't a good sign). In practice, no matter how much he pretends it's in the kid's interest, he's a man who thinks a somewhat effeminate boy is an objectively bad thing and that it's entirely the mother's fault.

Ultimately my therapist (who could easily spend hours ranting about Zucker) is pretty much convinced he can pull off enough underhanded poo poo like this to save his rear end in the court of public opinion. Powerful protectors are definitely better than a bunch of trans activists when it comes to that (also the implication that he was done in by trans activists is underhanded poo poo, but Alice Dreger already used it in her opening salvo anyway when she compared a group that had the backing of half of Canada's provincial governments to Galileo, if trans activists were that powerful he would have gone down 10-20 years ago, he had people among his peers gunning for him).

unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Agnosticnixie posted:

Possbly a driveby but:

It's a dumb puff piece, chairing the DSM-V committee with Blanchard didn't make the committee side with their theories (one paper called the results irreproducible in the field) on most points except the most elementary ones.

The whole thing about trans minors is that at this point Zucker is one of the few researchers in the field making it a hill worth dying on. The originator of the idea that most trans kids detransition already backtracked after reviewing their own results, it turns out that yes it mostly lines up with the diagnosis of minor GD (and that losing track of half your cohort isn't a good sign). In practice, no matter how much he pretends it's in the kid's interest, he's a man who thinks a somewhat effeminate boy is an objectively bad thing and that it's entirely the mother's fault.

Ultimately my therapist (who could easily spend hours ranting about Zucker) is pretty much convinced he can pull off enough underhanded poo poo like this to save his rear end in the court of public opinion. Powerful protectors are definitely better than a bunch of trans activists when it comes to that (also the implication that he was done in by trans activists is underhanded poo poo, but Alice Dreger already used it in her opening salvo anyway when she compared a group that had the backing of half of Canada's provincial governments to Galileo, if trans activists were that powerful he would have gone down 10-20 years ago, he had people among his peers gunning for him).
[citation(s) needed]

angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob

David Corbett posted:

Pickup rates among other ethnicities are far lower; I only very rarely see a Chinese person driving a pickup truck, and it throws me every time.

I saw a Sikh bigrig trucker the other day and while there is absolutely no reason for that to be strange I did do a bit of a double take.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

the trump tutelage posted:

[citation(s) needed]

You mean the same kind of clear and specific citations from that article that back "good science and policy"?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

angerbeet posted:

I saw a Sikh bigrig trucker the other day and while there is absolutely no reason for that to be strange I did do a bit of a double take.

I saw a raised bright yellow H2 Hummer with a huge jewel encrusted Sikh symbol hanging from the mirror today. Sikh truckin' day.

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unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008

Jan posted:

You mean the same kind of clear and specific citations from that article that back "good science and policy"?
Precisely, yes. Sourced quotes and links to other papers/articles would be helpful.

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