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Oberleutnant posted:A friend of the family is a screw and he tells horror stories about his experience of prisons that are partly staffed privately. I think they get bonuses (or avoid penalties) by reducing contraband, so they just don't search for it properly. They lower violence rates by locking the prisoners in their cells all day, and if something does kick off in the landings they withdraw all the private staff and leave the convicts to it - I think to avoid injury and the resulting comp claims. Now what do you suppose would be the easiest way to reduce the number of released convicts who go on to reoffend? If you answered "lock them up forever", you lose five points; the actual answer is rise of the judges 
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Tonight was the PLP meeting on Trident. Corbyn did not attend (again). Emily Thornberry led instead. The reaction was not exactly good: https://twitter.com/MadeleineMoon/status/696769024584241152 https://twitter.com/elashton/status/696770184909099009 https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/696767030847004672 https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/696767969821597696 https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/696768872662360064 https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/696767685707829248
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What evidence do we have of corruption in the academy/free school system? It seems ripe for it, but I'd like specifics.
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Darth Walrus posted:What evidence do we have of corruption in the academy/free school system? It seems ripe for it, but I'd like specifics. http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2014/01/just-how-corrupt-does-a-free-school-have-to-be-to-be-seen-as-unacceptable http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/01/free-schools-will-invite-corruption-unless-we-fix-them-now Basically when you form a free school they give you the school building. The issue with that is that it is then yours. You do not need to employ qualified staff, and don't have to follow the national curriculum. You have a lot of public money to dispose of, no scrutiny, so you just hire your mates without interview. I posted the example of the Conservative PCC a few pages back who was being lauded by Theresa May for setting up a school for children on the cusp of crime, or who wanted to work in the police. He took the police HQ building and converted it to a free school, run by a company that he is chairman of. The police have had to build a new HQ at a significant cost to the public. Basically a couple of billion pounds of public money has gone straight to Tories all over the country.
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Thundercloud posted:http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2014/01/just-how-corrupt-does-a-free-school-have-to-be-to-be-seen-as-unacceptable I ask because of this bit from the BBC article on proposed prison reforms, which has triggered a quiet internal scream that will not cease: quote:The governors of Young Offenders Institutions will be given the same freedoms the head teachers of free schools have in an attempt to improve conditions
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Feb 8, 2016 21:34
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Darth Walrus posted:I ask because of this bit from the BBC article on proposed prison reforms, which has triggered a quiet internal scream that will not cease: quote:The prime minister said governors would have control over the way they run their prisons. This would include "total discretion" on budgets, and the ability to opt out of some of the thousands of pages of rules and regulations set in Whitehall.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:
Yeah but the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke! I'll let you know when I've found one
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Darth Walrus posted:What evidence do we have of corruption in the academy/free school system? It seems ripe for it, but I'd like specifics. Google Rachel de Souza. You're welcome.
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You know that part of the Shawshank Redemption where the corrupt prison warden makes shitloads of money by bidding for work and undercutting all the other companies due to his completely unpaid workforce unless they bribed him? Welcome to our new prison system I guess. haakman posted:Google Rachel de Souza. You're welcome. Interesting point: when you do Google this you'll see 'Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe. Learn more' at the bottom of the search page: this means someone has appealed to Google under the European right to be forgotten to get certain results removed from their search engine.... I wonder what they would have said? vvvv Huh you're right, never noticed it before! namesake fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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I think it just throws that up under any search that looks like a person's name.
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Does anyone in here know how Fluo died?
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XMNN posted:Cameron isn't going to allow one side of the debate to monopolise the stoking of Little Englanders' paranoia and racism to get what you want. 50k extra refugees? ... sounds good. Vote leave I guess?
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Darth Walrus posted:What evidence do we have of corruption in the academy/free school system? It seems ripe for it, but I'd like specifics. The fact that school inspections stop when the academy chooses is, uh, unethical at best. (They stop after they get "Outstanding", never to be checked again)
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/08/george-osbornes-brother-admits-having-sex-with-vulnerable-patient-in-his-carequote:George Osborne’s brother is back before the General Medical Council after he admitted having sex with a vulnerable patient who had been under his care, a disciplinary panel has heard. I guess loving the vulnerable runs in the family
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corn in the fridge posted:Does anyone in here know how Fluo died? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3758308&userid=24506&perpage=40&pagenumber=2
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Seaside Loafer posted:arrrggggghh1 Ahahahaha Jesus Christ, We're going to have a full Abu Ghraib within a month and it's going to be all legal. Edit: and of course I'm sure we'll be getting some very cushy prisons for the upper classes who get caught. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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So the junior doctor strike looked like it was going to be over until someone disagreed
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Jose posted:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/08/george-osbornes-brother-admits-having-sex-with-vulnerable-patient-in-his-care Well, I could, he should be prosecuted to the fullest for it, but who his brother is shouldn't make any difference to what happens.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:So the junior doctor strike looked like it was going to be over until someone disagreed It seems increasingly probable that this is now an out and out attempt to stick the final nails into the NHS. Every rota that comes out has more and more gaps as people resign their posts.
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I can't see how the Conservatives get re-elected if they actually kill the NHS. You could set fire to the queen and at least some people would be cheering.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:It seems increasingly probable that this is now an out and out attempt to stick the final nails into the NHS. Every rota that comes out has more and more gaps as people resign their posts. The writing has been on the wall about this right from the beginning, to be honest. I'm surprised it's taken you this long to figure it out. This is absolutely a core part of Hunt's concerted attempt to starve, denigrate, and sell off the NHS. e: Fans posted:I can't see how the Conservatives get re-elected if they actually kill the NHS. You could set fire to the queen and at least some people would be cheering. Easy - they make them the bad guy. It's all in the spin, almost no-one, relatively speaking, will question the reporting line of 'the NHS is overspending, over budget, inefficient and wasting YOUR MONEY on IMMIGRANT DOCTORS. Despite is being just that - spin. The NHS gets it money from the Government, if it doesn't have enough money to operate that is solely and only because the Government is not supplying it enough money to operate. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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thespaceinvader posted:The writing has been on the wall about this right from the beginning, to be honest. I'm surprised it's taken you this long to figure it out. This is absolutely a core part of Hunt's concerted attempt to starve, denigrate, and sell off the NHS. No its been clear from the outside that this is about slowly starving it but this move is far more brazen and obvious. I was planning to move back in with the parents next year anyway to try and save up for a deposit so I'm prepared to refuse to take up my post in August if the BMA makes a deal with the RCoA
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:No its been clear from the outside that this is about slowly starving it but this move is far more brazen and obvious What did you think initially, when the Junior Doctors first started threatening to strike because they were getting a lovely new contract imposed on them by an arsehole?
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Fans posted:I can't see how the Conservatives get re-elected if they actually kill the NHS. You could set fire to the queen and at least some people would be cheering.
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Perhaps this is the sort of thing where labour should have everyone on message screaming the house down about this bullshit. Can't we get tom watson to call jeremy hunt a prick in parliament?
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XMNN posted:I'm pretty pessimistic, it's been obvious they've been not-so-slowly murdering the NHS for years and they still won the election. Unless they pass the Total Immediate Scrappage of the NHS Act (2016), I think it's entirely plausible that a lot of people simply won't make the infinitesimally short hop to blaming its collapse on the people in charge of running it. The other option is the classic standby of 'LABOUR DID IT FIRST' which seems to be their constant mantra right now. Sweeping privatisation? LABOUR DUN PFIs Economic crash impending? BROWN CRASHED FIRST. Etc. I'm halfway starting to feel that Labour's worst failing at the moment is its historical association with New Labour.
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I hope they carry on with their Labour-did-it-first approach, because it's easily their least effective. The Tory-led campaign to paint Corbyn as a dangerous radical dragging Labour back to the 80s has totally insulated him from New Labour's sins, and I don't think even the most casual or biased observer could see Corbyn cosying up to big business.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Ahahahaha Jesus Christ, We're going to have a full Abu Ghraib within a month and it's going to be all legal. Yarl's Wood already exists, though?
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm halfway starting to feel that Labour's worst failing at the moment is its historical association with New Labour. Clearly they need to relaunch as Labour Classic
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Darth Walrus posted:Yarl's Wood already exists, though?
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I don't see how "Labour did it first" could be successful. Essentially they're saying "we know it was the wrong thing to do and we're doing it anyway".
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Helen Highwater posted:Many, many years ago I did some work as a blacksmith and put some security screens up at North Sea Camp, which is the open prison where Lord Archer was incarcerated. Apart from the bars on the windows, it was basically a bunch of fairly nice bungalows. 
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Jose posted:do you have a link for this that isn't a guardian comment? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Simmonds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-24940653 http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/school-is-preferred-option-to-replace-northampton-s-police-headquarters-1-5920206
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Fans posted:I can't see how the Conservatives get re-elected if they actually kill the NHS. You could set fire to the queen and at least some people would be cheering. It's death by inches. Loads of stuff that the NHS used to do is now 'opened up' to a process of contract bidding, and private companies like Virgin Health are now running huge swathes of services. Meanwhile the actual NHS is forced to waste money unsuccessfully bidding for contracts on stuff it used to do perfectly well. With over a third of contracts to run health services now going to private companies, the intended end result is for the NHS to simply become a brand name used by various highly profitable businesses, and for the public not to notice.
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thespaceinvader posted:What did you think initially, when the Junior Doctors first started threatening to strike because they were getting a lovely new contract imposed on them by an arsehole? That it was just another one of the thousand cuts, rather than a bullet in the head.
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Dabir posted:I don't see how "Labour did it first" could be successful. Essentially they're saying "we know it was the wrong thing to do and we're doing it anyway".
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Dabir posted:I don't see how "Labour did it first" could be successful. Essentially they're saying "we know it was the wrong thing to do and we're doing it anyway". These things are usually painted as regrettable but necessary. Tough decisions. There's no money left. Spending isn't sustainable. Militant marxist doctors have tied our hands. If only they had accepted the new contract the NHS could have been saved. It's the only way to ensure the best care for patients. In that context pointing out that (even) Labour did similar things is a way to show that privatising the NHS is the inevitable, sensible, mature, grown up choice. It helps them that there's a wing of the Labour party that continues to loudly and publicly agree with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMs3Q3_aowk (Christ, what a car crash interview at the end. "What does the word privatisation mean to the Labour party?" *something about privatisation being red tape*  )
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