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theres a will theres moe
Jan 10, 2007


Hair Elf

Mr.Citrus posted:

I think overwatch has a -15 penalty

A wiki says there's a small aim penalty, so I believe you. I wish there were a way to view hit probabilities from a specific XCOM troop to a specific enemy in spaces where they currently are NOT. Like, if the sectoid runs from cover, is my Overwatch going to have a better chance of hitting him on the next tile over than Fire has of hitting him where he rests?

Another frustration is the around-the-corner-is-not-flanking thing. Seems like hit probabilities are very low for some situations that are definitely flanking but don't count as flanking.

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LightWarden
Mar 18, 2007

Lander county's safe as heaven,
despite all the strife and boilin',
Tin Star,
Oh how she's an icon of the eastern west,
But now the time has come to end our song,
of the Tin Star, the Tin Star!

Number 1 Sexy Dad posted:

Sorry if this has been covered somewhere already but if everything else is equal, do overwatch and fire have the same hit probability?

No, overwatch has a slight aim penalty unless you're overwatching firing from concealment, and also can't crit unless you're a specialist and bought the Cool Under Pressure perk from the GTS. But since overwatch shots are made against targets who don't have cover you usually have slightly better odds of hitting than you would if you just took a shot at someone in cover. If you're a specialist with Cool Under Pressure and the Guardian ability from ranking up then your overwatches are stronger than your regular rifle attacks.

In terms of accuracy it tends to be:
-Shots on your turn made against enemies who have been flanked or had their cover destroyed
-Overwatch shots
-Shots against enemies in cover

That said, being able to back up and overwatch can let you catch enemies in a better position, especially if you haven't encountered them yet because if they wander into your pod on their turn you can shoot them with overwatch, watch them scatter for cover, watch as their turn ends and then take your turn to mop them up while if you wander into their sight range on your turn you have to watch them run for cover and then figure out how to root them out in hopes that you can wipe them out before they can take a turn attacking you.

staplegun
Sep 21, 2003

I read that Reddit thread about the caps lock key speeding up load times, man that's hilarious and weird. Seems like it only works for me when returning to the skyranger after a mission, but that's a significant chunk of loading time removed.

Number 1 Sexy Dad posted:

Sorry if this has been covered somewhere already but if everything else is equal, do overwatch and fire have the same hit probability?

I don't know the exact figures, but I know that it specifically says that overwatch penalties are removed when you use them in an ambush, which kind of implies they exist otherwise.

theres a will theres moe
Jan 10, 2007


Hair Elf
One thing that would be cool is if mind controlled troops acted on their own turns instead of getting what is sort of a free or advance turn as soon as they're taken over. If handled as a delayed reaction (mind controller queues action, action is executed on troop's turn) it would be a nice nerf to a sort of OP (IMO) ability.

staplegun
Sep 21, 2003

Had guardian proc three times on the same target while it was moving on me to fire. How do you like those numbers for a change, XCOM? :getin:

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

along the way posted:

Hooly poo poo, Haywire Protocol owns.

by far the best specialist ability, bar none. The amount of poo poo ADVENT MECs have soaked up for me is crazy.

Their rockets are poo poo, but hey, that's an extra layer of armour shredded.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
It must be nice to hack stuff and not have it always fail :(

I don't think I've taken control of an enemy once this campaign.

theres a will theres moe
Jan 10, 2007


Hair Elf

staplegun posted:

I don't know the exact figures, but I know that it specifically says that overwatch penalties are removed when you use them in an ambush, which kind of implies they exist otherwise.

That's really interesting, that any overwatch penalty would still exist in an ambush, when a grenade will always hit.

e: I mean, I assume 'overwatch penalty removed' means the regular fire penalty is still there even in an ambush. I.E. you set up your overwatch ambush and you still have no better chance of hitting than using Fire in regular combat.

theres a will theres moe fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Feb 9, 2016

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Things i learned on third run:

Gts that makes grenades critical are broken

Gunslinger with d.o.t. bullets is broken

You only need like 7 engineers for the whole game

Always aim for continental bonuses. I got one that doubles anything i sell to the black market.

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
On Guerilla ops where you have to destroy the enemy transmitter before it finishes sending data, can you blow the transmitter and evac? I was going to, but I REALLY wanted that destroyed MEC.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


I can't kill a Sectoid.

I learned that melee attacks could miss (twice in a row)

My entire five man squad missed him, two rounds in a row.

Help me.

Porpoise With A Purpose
Feb 28, 2006

Danaru posted:

On Guerilla ops where you have to destroy the enemy transmitter before it finishes sending data, can you blow the transmitter and evac? I was going to, but I REALLY wanted that destroyed MEC.

I'm 90% certain that evacing before you kill anything will cause a mission failure.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
First encounter with a Gatekeeper. One lightly wounded, one wounded, three gravely wounded, one totally fine. That's gonna smart just a little bit.

On the plus side I can probably just ignore half the poo poo that needs an A team until mine is back on top.

EDIT: I could probably have tackled it with no losses or even wounds if I hadn't done a dumb explore after all my guys went on overwatch to end the turn. I hit with everything, but it was in a bad order and I didn't get the opportunity to Stasis it before it raised a poo poo ton (nine) of zombies.

Strobe fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Feb 9, 2016

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥
An Advent MEC probably ended my first playthrough on its first appearance, actually. My squad was stuck a bit clustered together by a bunch of Advent troopers on overwatch, and I didn't know what its abilities were. Cue a rocket blowing up everyone's cover, two people immediately dying due to being exposed, two more panicking, and the VIP getting caught in the blast. I managed to defeat the enemies without any further losses other than the VIP, but two of my three survivors were half a turn's movement short of making it to the Skyranger in time for evac.

That huge area cover destruction is absolutely brutal, though. From having only encountered it once, it looks like the only way to reliably beat it is to kill the MEC before it gets to take an action. If you're only fighting the MEC pod it's not so bad because there won't really be enough followup to punish your team for being in the open, but if a MEC pod walks up while you're already in a fight and you don't have the resources available to immediately kill it (as was the case for me) then GG hope your B-Team is ready to roll.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
I'm at the end of the main game and I've only ever seen one Sectopod. Do they just not spawn normally?

oswald ownenstein
Jan 30, 2011

KING FAGGOT OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM
God damned this game is so good but it loving runs like poo poo. I've never been so torn. The framerates are so poo poo that it takes away from enjoyment of the game.

Has there been any word at all of a patch? This is absurd.

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009
So I've found where XCOM2 stores it's names for ADJECTIVES and NOUNS for op names and what have you. I figured I'd start putting together a list of names for hilarious operation names like we had in EW. Only there's a lot more names to fill in now, and I'm not nearly creatively enough. So any suggestions from you dumb nerds would be greatly appreciated. Since I don't want to clog up this thread with dumb posts, just PM them or email them to at SA<myusername> at gmail dot com. I'll put the list together and upload it to the workshop and/or share a dropbox link for you guys.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

First sectopod encounter, 17% chance to take control. gently caress it let's go.

Got it first time. :getin:

Also what. Do facilities in the avenger have neighbouring lab bonuses?

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007

oswald ownenstein posted:

God damned this game is so good but it loving runs like poo poo. I've never been so torn. The framerates are so poo poo that it takes away from enjoyment of the game.

Has there been any word at all of a patch? This is absurd.

Turn off AA entirely.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Strobe posted:

First encounter with a Gatekeeper. One lightly wounded, one wounded, three gravely wounded, one totally fine. That's gonna smart just a little bit.

On the plus side I can probably just ignore half the poo poo that needs an A team until mine is back on top.

EDIT: I could probably have tackled it with no losses or even wounds if I hadn't done a dumb explore after all my guys went on overwatch to end the turn. I hit with everything, but it was in a bad order and I didn't get the opportunity to Stasis it before it raised a poo poo ton (nine) of zombies.

Good news! Max hospital stay is 7 days. Thank god for AWC.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


BigRed0427 posted:

So what happens to the troops that get captured? Are they as good as dead or can I get them back somehow?

You get a mission later to rescue them eventually, rewards you with a bit of intel too.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

ZearothK posted:

You get a mission later to rescue them eventually, rewards you with a bit of intel too.

What if you get them back but they're really Faceless? :tinfoil:

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames

SynthOrange posted:

What if you get them back but they're really Faceless? :tinfoil:

Then more Mimic Beacons for us! :toot:

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Haywire specialists are the best cointer to mec, since you have like a default 75% to stun, not including skulljacker.

oswald ownenstein
Jan 30, 2011

KING FAGGOT OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM

Kenshin posted:

Turn off AA entirely.

People keep suggesting this but I have all that poo poo turned off. Shadows at medium, decals low, etc etc. Still runs like poo poo on any map where stuff is happening. 980 ti and i7 4770k for anyone wondering.

I thought Blizzard had lovely optimization because SC2 can still slog with lots of stuff on screen on high end hardware but I've never seen anything run like this before

LordNat
May 16, 2009

SynthOrange posted:

What if you get them back but they're really Faceless? :tinfoil:

I am honestly disappointed a VIP never changes into a Faceless when you get next to him. It'd be neat to have some kind of trap ambush mission where when you trigger the Faceless it calls in 2ish pods of reinforcements and disables the evac for a few turns.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
First campaign was a win! That final mission though :stare:, poo poo was brutal on Commander. Legendary must be an absolute bloodbath.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I turned down my settings to minimum, except texture detail which I leave at high. Runs pretty smooth.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
I have a 650 gtx and i3 and everything runs smooth for me

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


Day two, campaign two, still at 100% hacking failure!

Eat a dick game! What the gently caress!

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!
There's a generic ue3 ini tweak out there that while not making my framerate great, made it steady and not stutter when anything happened even after kicking my res up to 2560x1440 on a 770, medium settings.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/200510/discussions/0/846960628563773260

Aimed at xc1 and all other ue3 games. Significant improvement for me in xc1.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Oh that's okay battle scanner, you didn't need to tell me about the giant robot five feet in front of you. Jesus Christ.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Hello to make my earlier question more clear: I just built my facilities wherever I had space because I assumed that neighbouring facility bonuses were gone. Was I wrong? How does it work now?

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter
They are gone, except that the one workshop you can build can staff 2 or 4 of the slots around it.

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009
How do you get more tech score on your hackers? Levelling them up, equipping a skulljack, upgrading your gremlins - is there any other way?

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

-Troika- posted:

I'm at the end of the main game and I've only ever seen one Sectopod. Do they just not spawn normally?

You've been lucky. My current Advent Facility mission has two stomping around inside the facility. And patrolling Andromadons. :shepface:.

ConfusedPig
Mar 27, 2013


SynthOrange posted:

Hello to make my earlier question more clear: I just built my facilities wherever I had space because I assumed that neighbouring facility bonuses were gone. Was I wrong? How does it work now?

The only case where positioning maters is the workshop (of which you can only build 1 of), which when staffed with and engineer sends out multiple drones to staff adjacent facilities as if they had engineers in them.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

terrorist ambulance posted:

How do you get more tech score on your hackers? Levelling them up, equipping a skulljack, upgrading your gremlins - is there any other way?
Sometimes a hack reward from lampposts or mission hack items can give you +20 to hack. Its hard to get though.

Wrr
Aug 8, 2010


Neddy Seagoon posted:

You've been lucky. My current Advent Facility mission has two stomping around inside the facility. And patrolling Andromadons. :shepface:.

Why do I need to plant X4 when the sectopods seem content to demolish the building and all cover themselves while patrolling?

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oswald ownenstein
Jan 30, 2011

KING FAGGOT OF THE SHITPOST KINGDOM

Tae posted:

I have a 650 gtx and i3 and everything runs smooth for me

I've seen comments like these but I refuse to believe anyone can get 60 fps without drops on a retaliation mission with a couple fires and explosions until I see it on youtube

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