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the trump tutelage posted:[citation(s) needed] I can't believe I've been so wrong. Clearly in the future I should record all my private talks. Also I see no cite in the article besides a link to a single Zucker piece. They bring out one of Zucker's academic opponents only to claim she's in bed with the activists, and I see no mention of other experts on trans youth like Cohen-Kettenis. So yeah, not worth an academic cite. A link to James Cantor's blog, a man who thinks finger length ratios are the key to understanding sexual predation, isn't an academic cite, it's an academic's quote at best. Agnosticnixie fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Agnosticnixie posted:I can't believe I've been so wrong. Clearly in the future I should record all my private talks. But I'm not going to poo poo up the thread with trans talk so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll err on the side of "tumblr Left continues paving road to hell with good intentions."
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Jordan7hm posted:I think his defense is "these people are not reliable witnesses", at least beyond a reasonable doubt. My question, just to further betray my ignorance of how court things usually go, is how the Crown let THREE defective witnesses make it all the way onto the stand without unfucking this. Or did the witnesses just forget/choose to not mention that they had done the things they said they hadn't done?
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the trump tutelage posted:But I'm not going to poo poo up the thread with trans talk so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'll err on the side of "tumblr Left continues paving road to hell with good intentions." Please tell me more about the "hell" we are heading towards as society becomes more tolerant of queer people.
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Feb 9, 2016 05:15
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THC posted:Please tell me more about the "hell" we are heading towards as society becomes more tolerant of queer people. Seriously. How far could gender assuring therapy get to before an individual realises "oh I'm not actually trans, this has been a mistake"? I'd think a capable therapist would be able to figure that out before any of the effects were irreversible. Surely the risk of not supporting those who are trans is far greater and insidious.
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Feb 9, 2016 05:19
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James Baud posted:You know that line ... "What do you call the person who graduates last at medical school? Doctor!" ? It applies to all professions - some people are better at their jobs than others. Why wouldn't the Crown bring out the good ones for such a high profile case though? It doesn't make any sense how badly the case seems to be being bungled.
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Feb 9, 2016 05:28
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Jewcoon posted:Why wouldn't the Crown bring out the good ones for such a high profile case though? It doesn't make any sense how badly the case seems to be being bungled. e: I misunderstood. Maybe this is a good one but the defense is just a lot better / the quality of the case wasn't actually that great.
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Jimmy K!quote:It sure looked like there was an ammo belt over Beyonce’s shoulders in the form of an “X” — as well as bullets ready to be retrieved from her sleeves.
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Feb 9, 2016 05:47
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Thank you for this palate cleanser. Never change Toronto.
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Feb 9, 2016 06:00
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Yeah, because a pampered 1 percenter like Beyonce is someone to take seriously if she starts using violent images to market whatever the hell it is she's selling. Meanwhile, Cause that sort of stuff always works.
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Feb 9, 2016 06:01
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Pretty sure the police are doing a bang up job of promoting anti-police sentiments on their own.
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Feb 9, 2016 06:23
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This is really how I can see this all going. We get our witnesses, a couple weeks of scandal, Henein tears each of them apart, we get a verdict of not guilt BRD, maybe the crown appeals on some odd issue and that's that. Thankfully he shoved his head so far up his own rear end we will never hear of him again.
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I'm not going to pretend that I'm even remotely happy about how the Ghomeshi trial is going so far. As far as I'm concerned, he's a rapist and a creep and should be unceremoniously kicked into jail. The problem is that I'm not sure which is the greater failure of justice: the Crown's inability to pin decisive testimony against him, or the fact that I completely believe such testimony should and must exist without having seen it. No matter what happens in the trial, he's finished as a public figure. jm20 posted:The weight difference between the vehicles is the real killer. If their car is 2x or more than yours you will suffer more g-force and likely die of trauma. You will typically not survive hitting a loaded dump truck head on at speed in any vehicle, even the precious suv/half ton/three quarter ton pickups despite them being roughly the same size as the baby dump trucks. Of course, but if the only collisions worth considering were that extreme there'd be no point in crash engineering, airbags or even seat belts. I expect that SUV and truck drivers are likely focusing on improving their perceived margin of safety in less one-sided crashes. As for me, I take a look at the increasing preponderance of high-riding vehicles and know exactly what would happen in a crash with my (comparatively) little sedan; with no ability to stop the vehicular arms race on my own, and no real likelihood that the government will step in and end it, the only way for me to maximize my own safety is to take part.
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I can't imagine having to drive at high speeds surrounded by huge jacked up trucks and SUV's. I don't think I've ever been anywhere in north america that had a smaller average vehicle size on the roads as in Victoria BC here. My little fit feels quite at home on the streets here as trucks and huge SUV's are in the minority. Although nearly every close call I've had has been with a much larger vehicle. Do they give the drivers a false sense of safety, or do the drivers of such vehicles think their size gives them right of way? Also what the gently caress are those huge chrome rams/pedestrian smashers the fronts of sparkling city trucks all seem to need now? There should really be laws about the fronts of vehicles to make them safer for when they strike pedestrians, and huge steel battle rams have absolutely no reason to exist. Are these upper middle class office working boomers with perfectly waxed black trucks need these rams in case they need to blast through a gate at high speed and don't want to scratch their paint?? Are they just there to make their trucks look more dangerous?
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Ugh I have to go to Alberta for a wedding. I skipped Christmas but had some relatives go there, so I've already got a preview of "Justine Trudeau is giving away are country!" and "Notley's election caused oil prices to go down!". If I never post again it's because they killed me and roasted me on the ceremonial backyard oil barrel pig rotisserie.
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peter banana posted:Seriously. How far could gender assuring therapy get to before an individual realises "oh I'm not actually trans, this has been a mistake"? I'd think a capable therapist would be able to figure that out before any of the effects were irreversible. Surely the risk of not supporting those who are trans is far greater and insidious. Nah. This is going to turn out like the debacle in the 80s where psychologists were convincing patients that their parents raped them. Or when we were castrating boys to turn them into girls at birth. Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. I can't wait for the impending oops moment, where an entire generation ends up hosed in the head because they have no idea what gender they actually are anymore, and demand employers use pronouns like Zys/Zy/Ze. The decline of the west is glorious to behold.  But, as in so many things, anyone expressing the idea that things are getting out of hand will just be vilified as hating the queers, even queer people! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Society is barely on the verge of acknowledging that trans people maybe deserve respect as humans, but okay yeah clearly the pendulum has swung too far and we're about to teeter into a gender apocalypse. God, what a bad post.
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Rime posted:Nah. This is going to turn out like the debacle in the 80s where psychologists were convincing patients that their parents raped them. Or when we were castrating boys to turn them into girls at birth. Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. Beware the slippery slope!
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Baronjutter posted:I can't imagine having to drive at high speeds surrounded by huge jacked up trucks and SUV's. I don't think I've ever been anywhere in north america that had a smaller average vehicle size on the roads as in Victoria BC here. My little fit feels quite at home on the streets here as trucks and huge SUV's are in the minority. I'm gonna cut people off in my truck because its big and no one will want to hit it. That chrome poo poo is part of the package that truck dealerships try to sell you to get any sort of feature like power windows or leather and poo poo. It's obscene what they bundle together as features, good luck getting a truck with leather and heated seats without fake racing intakes and chrome trim and running boards and poo poo. It costs like 15 grand to have seats you can clean. flashman fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Rime posted:Nah. This is going to turn out like the debacle in the 80s where psychologists were convincing patients that their parents raped them. Or when we were castrating boys to turn them into girls at birth. Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. In what way are "things are getting out of hand"? Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 14:39
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Who are these people who don't know what gender they are. Also why is that bad. Who cares.
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If a child is suspected to suffer from any condition; a psychiatric disorder, a gender dysphoria, the heartfelt belief that xhe is a centuries-old wolf vampire tentacle spirit, these things should be explored with the best of psychiatry to determine whether it's an actual thing or the kid is "just confused or going through some stuff". If an adult says she's hearing voices or she's actually a dude, you believe him and you do what you can to help make it right, which for most of us means minding our own drat business and not giving a poo poo who's standing in the stall next to us. It's not hard. If I'm understanding correctly, isn't there also very little investigatve/housekeeping work one on the case by Crowns in general, even if it looks like testimony may be inconsistent or have parts missing? Whatever's in the folder the detective brings to court to swear it in, that's what's going to trial warts and all (barring any obvious perjury)? The Sun is blaming the police because of course they are; saying the witnesses' stories should've been vetted more thoroughly and the cops ought to have magically known that No-No-Means-Yes Raja was keeping an ego box of all of the nice things anyone had ever said about him, and gotten a warrant for it or whatever. You know, because if the witnesses had either forgotten or decided to lie about it once to the investigators once then maybe the cops should've asked again more nicely or something? But at least we have the similar fact evidence - those stories that are so weird that three independently people couldn't possibly make th quote:Already, Henein had caught her red-handed in what sure looks like collusion with DeCoutere — their messages are filled with talk of “our team,” and they shared a publicist and at least for a time the same civil litigator lawyer — and a growing list of lies or omissions. 
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Rime posted:Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. Meddled with the primal forces of nature!  quote:But, as in so many things, anyone expressing the idea that things are getting out of hand will just be vilified as hating the queers, even queer people! Nah, you're just full of poo poo.
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Rime posted:Nah. This is going to turn out like the debacle in the 80s where psychologists were convincing patients that their parents raped them. Or when we were castrating boys to turn them into girls at birth. Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. Why is gender such an important human construct that someone not knowing what gender they are makes them hosed in the head?
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Rime posted:Nah. This is going to turn out like the debacle in the 80s where psychologists were convincing patients that their parents raped them. Or when we were castrating boys to turn them into girls at birth. Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. Your handy guide to new pronouns. Employers will be just fine because, thankfully, "they/their/them" exists and most businesses are already as gender neutral as possible out of convenience. Personally, I'm rooting for Xe/xem/xyr because it will make scrabble hilarious.  The example you hear a lot is that "Charlie tied their shoes" sounds wrong. gently caress it. Charlie tied Charlie's shoes. Done. vyelkin posted:Why is gender such an important human construct that someone not knowing what gender they are makes them hosed in the head? Well, and most other mammals, quite a few fish and basically every bird right? Even honeybees have roles depending on gender.
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Call me back when honey bees create their own hootsuite.
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I bet honeybees don't even have their own condo bubble.
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vyelkin posted:Why is gender such an important human construct that someone not knowing what gender they are makes them hosed in the head? I think there's an issue with kids transitioning, but at the same time I have no experience with a child seriously wanting to be the other gender, so I don't think I'm qualified to judge how those parents react. Kids transitioning is not a decision they've made though, it's a decision someone made on their behalf.
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vyelkin posted:I bet honeybees don't even have their own condo bubble. Pretty sure the bee condo market is collapsing hard right now
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vyelkin posted:I bet honeybees don't even have their own condo bubble.
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flakeloaf posted:Wasps moved in and ruined everything, as usual. POTY Anyway, in an attempt to move away from Trans Chat, Trudeau is once again underlining that the federal and provincial Liberal Parties are different beasts by campaigning for the OLP in the Whitby provincial by-election. But, on the other hand, he sure is good at making the right sounding words come out of his mouth: quote:"In closing," the prime minister said. "I want to say one more thing."
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Ikantski posted:Well, and most other mammals, quite a few fish and basically every bird right? Even honeybees have roles depending on gender. Sex =/= Gender The collection of actions that make up a person's performance of gender don't map 1 to 1 to biological sex, even for cis heteros
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Yadoppsi posted:Sex =/= Gender Yeah, I wasn't saying that animals have different sexes. I was saying that they have different societal roles based on their biological sex, which is what I thought gender meant, and that idea isn't a purely human construct. flakeloaf posted:Wasps moved in and ruined everything, as usual. Stealing this
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angerbeet posted:I saw a Sikh bigrig trucker the other day and while there is absolutely no reason for that to be strange I did do a bit of a double take. I'm not sure how familiar everyone is with Indian culture and whatnot, but Sikhs have typically been labourers in their own country due to the caste system. In Canada they have become a large portion of Truck and recently dump truck drivers in the GTA. They are making 80k+ driving a big rig locally, long haul they are easily doing 100k+. Baronjutter posted:I can't imagine having to drive at high speeds surrounded by huge jacked up trucks and SUV's. I don't think I've ever been anywhere in north america that had a smaller average vehicle size on the roads as in Victoria BC here. My little fit feels quite at home on the streets here as trucks and huge SUV's are in the minority. A grille guard or bull bar. They are there to basically destroy the car you inevitably impact and take a little damage as possible on your own consumer truck.
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Rime posted:Nah. This is going to turn out like the debacle in the 80s where psychologists were convincing patients that their parents raped them. Or when we were castrating boys to turn them into girls at birth. Or any time we've meddled with the human psyche, really, our track record is garbage. As already mentioned, novel pronouns are nonsense, but also pretty much a non-issue, because the singular they is a thing that exists already. As for your other examples, you are aware that the "success" of the satanic ritual abuse false memories, and the complete failure of trying to raise children as the opposite gender (where it isn't their choice and theirs alone) would seem to, in fact, confirm that gender does have some sort of immutable aspect. Jordan7hm posted:Kids transitioning is not a decision they've made though, it's a decision someone made on their behalf. I think that's a very short-sighted thing to say. I definitely think that children have a limited conception of gender and what it "means" which is probably why you shouldn't be able to make any irreversible changes until you're old enough to understand what the consequences. On the other hand, since I believe that gender has some biological component to it at the very least, I find it difficult to believe that, if a child expresses a desire to live as the gender other than what they were assigned at birth, it shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're wrong in either case, the kid is going to have some issues down the road to deal with, so why not err on the side of caution and trust that the child might actually be trans? An unbiased therapist, I'd say, is also a must throughout the process.
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flakeloaf posted:Wasps moved in and ruined everything, as usual. Pure, unfiltered, gold posting.
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Note the satanic abuse scares were drummed up by psychotherapists, but their primary opponent was a psychologist by the name of Elizabeth Loftus. So it's not like the controversy was wholesale manufactured by psychology- the biggest opponents were psychologists, predominantly from the science stream. So it's not some kind of given the gender issues of today are just bad psychology.
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PT6A posted:I think that's a very short-sighted thing to say. I definitely think that children have a limited conception of gender and what it "means" which is probably why you shouldn't be able to make any irreversible changes until you're old enough to understand what the consequences. On the other hand, since I believe that gender has some biological component to it at the very least, I find it difficult to believe that, if a child expresses a desire to live as the gender other than what they were assigned at birth, it shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're wrong in either case, the kid is going to have some issues down the road to deal with, so why not err on the side of caution and trust that the child might actually be trans? An unbiased therapist, I'd say, is also a must throughout the process. Children aren't capable of making decisions about many things, and I think that includes whether or not to identify as a particular gender. Obviously age factors into it a bit... a 7 year old is not a 14 year old. The decision to move ahead with gender transitioning is not being made by the child, but by their guardian. That said I dunno how I'd handle it if my son said he identified as a girl or whatever.
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