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The rules state:quote:Stasis shells may be taken on models with the Legions Astartes (Dark Angels) special rule equipped with a grenade launcher, twin-linked grenade launchers, or missile launchers as an additional ammunition type I didn't think combi grenade launchers would fall under that, but I will happily be wrong if that's the case. I just think it would be specifically stated if it were.
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As written yeah, there can be some discussion. But a combi-GL is really just a grenade launcher with One Shot and IMO it works. That's also why I put the grenade harness as a separate thing. As intended though, it seems reallllllly obvious that it should allow most if not all types of grenade launchers to get them. It's a legion rule intended for the legion and on technicality you'd be unable to use it at all? Bleh. If I were you I'd send an email to FW about it. Their replies can be a bit iffy sometimes, but at least you'd get a much better idea of what was intended.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:33
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Hey guys, this London GT tournament is on the horizon and I wanted to get my Salamanders in ship shape for it. Whether they end up doing a 30k segment or not, it's 1500pts. If it's 40K only then I'm going to get my dick kicked in by formations but gently caress it, going to have some fun. quote:SALAMANDERS LEGION RULES Drop Dreadclaw down Turn 1, flame some dudes. Push up Rhino to support, Outflank other Rhino on. Deredeo shoots out armour, flamer guys stand by the pipeline on an objective hopefully torrenting poo poo at str 5. Turn 2 - assault from Dreadclaw, outflank veterans on. Pewpew. Also I've been debating with my buddies - does Promethean Gift effect the Flame Sweep attack on the Dreadclaw to give it +1 Str? If so, d6 Str 7 rear armour hits is savage on light armour. I might encounter a Spartan at 1500 but that'd basically be the whole enemy army.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:33
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They call out grenade launchers and twin-linked grenade launchers specifically, so I don't think it being a grenade launcher with one shot flies.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:34
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i actually can't think of a legiones astartes unit that can take just 'grenade launchers', if we aren't including combi-weapons
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Feb 9, 2016 20:35
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Mango Polo posted:As written yeah, there can be some discussion. But a combi-GL is really just a grenade launcher with One Shot and IMO it works. That's also why I put the grenade harness as a separate thing. A 50S RAYGUN posted:i actually can't think of a legiones astartes unit that can take just 'grenade launchers', if we aren't including combi-weapons 
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Feb 9, 2016 20:37
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Lord Twisted posted:Also I've been debating with my buddies - does Promethean Gift effect the Flame Sweep attack on the Dreadclaw to give it +1 Str? If so, d6 Str 7 rear armour hits is savage on light armour. Sadly not. Promethean Gift is very specific: Hand Flamers, Flamers and Heavy Flamers only.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:41
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Getting a decent weapon you can't actually use is Dark Angels as gently caress.
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Feb 9, 2016 20:42
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Getting a decent weapon you can't actually use is Dark Angels as gently caress. Getting a lovely weapon you can't actually use might be even more Dark Angels, but I haven't decided. (I don't think stasis shells are a good upgrade--maybe if they came free with GLs/Combi-GLs/purchases of flakk missiles, I guess.)
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Feb 9, 2016 20:55
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E-mail sent to FW. I am the ur-goon.  Even if they rule that you can slap stasis grenades into a combi weapon it's still going to be a 15 point upgrade to get one shot off. That one shot may save a bunch of your models if you can pull it off at the right time though. Maybe it's worth it. If nothing else, this clarification would let people actually use the damned things if they want to.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:26
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Mango Polo posted:Sadly not. Promethean Gift is very specific: Hand Flamers, Flamers and Heavy Flamers only. So why does it work on Pyroclast Flame Projectors...?
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Feb 9, 2016 21:30
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One of the Battle Bunnies dudes did an awesome Death Guard-era Garro conversion. http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/pre-knight-errant-nathaniel-garro-pre.html
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Feb 9, 2016 21:46
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DrPop posted:Whereabouts? I'm in Ann Arbor and would love to slam local hams. We played at the Michigan GT in Lansing in October, and Flatland in Wixom last weekend. Playing in Flint in April. We have a fb group - Michigan Horus Heresy
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Feb 9, 2016 21:47
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muggins posted:We played at the Michigan GT in Lansing in October, and Flatland in Wixom last weekend. Playing in Flint in April. We have a fb group - Michigan Horus Heresy Sweet, I'll hop in.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:52
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Lord Twisted posted:So why does it work on Pyroclast Flame Projectors...? I'd say because that one is specifically called out in the weapon's description as benefiting from Gift. Technically FW didn't have to include that little bit and just say "yeah this is a S5 flamer!" and it would be exactly as it is, but adding it does prevent people trying to argue that Flame Projectors should be S6. Or at least that's my take on it; but Promethean Gift seems fairly well worded.
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Feb 9, 2016 21:54
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Wracking my brain trying to figure out an Ironfire Bombardment list. I'm looking at a praetor, siege breaker, and master of signal. Two 15 man blobs with nuncio voxes, artificer armor, and AA apothecaries. Two 3 gun batteries of quad mortars with frag, shatter, and phosphex. 5 lascannon Havocs, medusa, and a talon of two armored ceremite leviathans with phosphex dischargers(cuz barrage) storm cannons and claws. Got about 150 points in kit for the HQs, I'm thinking just March them with the blobs, stuff like a BS5 fury would be fun. The more I think about it the more I'm asking "why am I playing this legion anymore" kind of feel like I've lost my vibe with the army. Hencoe fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Feb 9, 2016 22:19
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Someone asked about the Blackshields, so here we go - the full "they told me I was an idiot for trying to make my own snowflake legion, but now I can do whatever I want" Blackshield experience!    Special units and gear     poo poo quality pictures, but that's really all that my poo poo phone can manage.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:38
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Oh, gently caress yeah. Blackshields look rad as hell. Just a bunch of punk space marines in cobbled together, garbage gear running around shooting lasguns and spray painting MARINES LOL all over everything. Alternatively, goth kids, space pirates, or horrible mutants.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:58
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"Emperor rox. Horus sux"
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Feb 9, 2016 23:17
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Blackshields do look awfully cool. Any idea if they will produce the weapon options or Pariah power armour? Though I imagine you could then kit bash an entire army, though you would be weighing in at about 250-300 points per ten blackshields.
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Feb 9, 2016 23:33
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Thundercloud posted:Blackshields do look awfully cool. I think this was asked at the weekender and the answer was no. Looking at the art and posters you're pretty much supposed to kitbash a bunch of things together and call it a day.
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Feb 9, 2016 23:58
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Blackshields look like an army that will be carried by having really good troops. 3 attacks base? Tons of options? Costs less than veterans and just a bit more than tacticals? Done deal. They have more options, but worse wargear. Nice way to balance them.Hencoe posted:Wracking my brain trying to figure out an Ironfire Bombardment list. I would probably plop your troops, or maybe just one, into a Dreadclaw or Kharybdis. You can also ally in admech for extra artillery. Bottom line is that any friendly unit confers the benefit so you wanna drop them into the gates of hell and then shoot artillery all around them. I actually think the Kharybdis might be a good unit for this ROW as it can be your focal point. Bonus if you mount up those leviathans into pods.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:06
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BULBASAUR posted:Blackshields look like an army that will be carried by having really good troops. 3 attacks base? Tons of options? Costs less than veterans and just a bit more than tacticals? Done deal. They have more options, but worse wargear. Nice way to balance them. Marauders with shotguns are boss and the Chymeriae option for +1S +1T is pretty fantastic when you can field blobs.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:20
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One thing I've come to learn from 30k games is that scoring units are less important than those in 40k. Denial units, on the other hand, are very important. I don't think anybody is going to seriously play with the shattered legions because there is no way to deny objectives.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:06
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BULBASAUR posted:Blackshields look like an army that will be carried by having really good troops. 3 attacks base? Tons of options? Costs less than veterans and just a bit more than tacticals? Done deal. They have more options, but worse wargear. Nice way to balance them. Well they are in a talon so I really can't, plus if I pod the tac squads it's dropping them to 10 with no characters or apothecary. Not sure how I feel about that
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Feb 10, 2016 01:08
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Stop the clock. Dark Angles outriders with plasma repeaters.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:11
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BULBASAUR posted:Stop the clock. Dark Angles outriders with plasma repeaters. The bikers were cool models but a bit overpriced for what they do (and compared poorly to the jetbikes). Better plasma could make them work.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:22
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BULBASAUR posted:Stop the clock. Dark Angles outriders with plasma repeaters. Not an option.  They don't take regular plasma guns, but twin-linked ones and those replace the bolters mounted on their bikes. Besides, those would be better in most situations anyways.
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Feb 10, 2016 01:43
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Do the Sergeants is Tactical Support Squads carry a special weapon as well? Looking at the unit entry in Book 1, it looks like they don't, but I've heard people saying they do.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:44
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Can somebody repost the Dark Angels RoWs? I think the images got taken down.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:47
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DO IT TO IT posted:Do the Sergeants is Tactical Support Squads carry a special weapon as well? Looking at the unit entry in Book 1, it looks like they don't, but I've heard people saying they do. They do, they updated it in the Crusade Army List Red Book.
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Feb 10, 2016 02:48
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how many shots is that on Pariah bolters? it looks like a 3 or a 5?
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Feb 10, 2016 05:03
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:how many shots is that on Pariah bolters? it looks like a 3 or a 5? Endman posted:Can somebody repost the Dark Angels RoWs? I think the images got taken down. Mango Polo posted:Can't upload anything anymore, but basically:
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Safety Factor posted:The RoWs weren't pictures, they were typed out earlier in the thread. Here they are: My mistake. Thanks for the repost! I'm surprised there isn't a Terminator-focused RoW, considering Deathwing. Or were they invented post heresy? Both are pretty cool, though, and the Dark Angels wargear choices are pretty awesome. Shame about the legion rules. They'd gel a lot better with RoWs that focused on large formations of infantry, given the D3 victory points you can give your opponent by being outnumbered at the end.
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It's like they go "yeah, giving them recon marines as troops and +1WS against stationary vehicles is just so.. powerful, we gotta balance this somehow." Then they saddle the marginal benefits with some crippling or stupid restrictions. "Good work guys, way to keep those powerful benefits in check. Lets hit the pub!" More likely they are understaffed and don't externally play test their games.
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^^^^ Alan did mention something about this being a WIP, and that any updates would be done in a FAQ. I think this is just FWs way of externally playtesting. Probably pressure from GW not to externally playtest beta rules. Endman posted:My mistake. Thanks for the repost! Deathwing is a post-heresy invention methinks.
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Endman posted:My mistake. Thanks for the repost! With only two slots for ROWs, I'm guessing that FW wanted to focus on ideas that don't already exist, more or less. Pride of the Legion and Primarch's Chosen both allow for vets and terminators to take centre stage. And the Zone Mortalis ROW too. Speaking of which, I love Primarch's Chosen. It's basically the best low budget option for building an army. DJ Dizzy posted:Alan did mention something about this being a WIP, and that any updates would be done in a FAQ. I think this is just FWs way of externally playtesting. Probably pressure from GW not to externally playtest beta rules. I fully expect BA access to assault cannons to be nerfed to the ground. It's pretty ridiculous.
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Mango Polo posted:... Pretty much. However we BA players are used to these kinds of things...
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DJ Dizzy posted:Deathwing is a post-heresy invention methinks. In an organizational sense it is, but in the books the Dark Angels apparently use a different organizational structure from everyone else: almost every character is mentioned to be part of a -wing formation. Deathwing, ravenwing, dreadwing, ironwing, and voidwing have all been mentioned IIRC. There's a funny scene in one of the books where Roboute Guilliman sees the Dark Angels massing on the ground in Legion strength and all he can think is "They're not acting the way Astartes should. They're not supposed to be organized like that. What are those weapons? They aren't supposed to have those weapons. What is going on here? They're not supposed to have that stuff." Cythereal fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Further proof that Robit Girlyman was the ultimate grimdark sperg.
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