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I wouldn't suggest trying some of the more esoteric types without a more full understanding of the format and which cards are key to them. You can't just stuff 2 spider spawnings in your deck and call it a day. That leaves the more linear decks: gw aggressive with lots of travel preparations is probably the 'best' archetype, subject to the usual overdrafting and seating caveats. self mill with zombies is fun. Werewolves can be very good. Vampires never worked out for me. Grixis control is fun too. It's a very deep and rewarding format. Enjoy!
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JerryLee posted:' Well, aside from the 5CMC rule (which I felt was an overreaction to the Battering Craghorn/Skirk Arsonist problem) there were relatively few morphs where the flip was an exciting moment. Icefeather Aven was probably my favorite one of the bunch, and Ashcloud Phoenix was pretty cool (at mythic). The original ONS block, which I understand I have rose tinted glasses for but loved a lot, had cool cards like Blistering Firecat, Bane of the Living, and at lower rarities Echo Tracer, Liege of the Axe, Disruptive Pitmage, Patron of the Wild and Frontline Strategist. There were tons more, those are just the ones I'm looking at in my box of old C/U cards that I remember loving. There were also some really cool morph conditions like Putrid Raptor and Raven Guild Initiate and that's an area of design with a TON of space left. They kind of touched on it with the reveal cycle (all of which were also very cool, imo) but didn't explore it too much. Also noncreature morphs are great and I wish we had more. The stuff I like is not very NWO friendly but Morph is kind of a not very NWO friendly mechanic and I think if they weren't going to try to push the envelope a little on it they shouldn't have brought it back. As it was it felt more like a retread than a reinvention, unlike Devotion which really was a lot cooler than Chroma.
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Oh my god rare redrafting in an Oath/Battle draft would be the rudest loving thing. "Hey good job opening an expedition for me noob it's mine now hahahahahaha" Rare redrafting is a bad, bad idea unless you are playing with people at an equal skill level, and it's never appropriate at a sanctioned event. Lowering the price of a draft by $5 is not worth getting screwed out of the money card you opened. Even now that I'm good enough to often win drafts at my LGS I still think it's bullshit and exists in order to try to steal valuable cards that other people opened.
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mcmagic posted:Speaking of Innistrad Draft... My LGS is having one in a few weeks and I have no idea how to draft the format. Anyone know of a good primer? I am going to throw words at you now! Decks to Be Aware Of: G/W Aggro: This is nominally human tribal, except the only real payoff for that is Hamlet Captain (who is pretty sweet imo, but not exactly something you force humans for). The card that really makes this deck tick is Travel Preparations. Travel Preparations is really goddamn good. You play a lot of 2/2 and 2/3s and the like in this deck, and Travel Prep is frequently enough to push them over the edge of your opponents (2/3) blockers. The equipment is good, especially Butcher's Cleaver. W/U Fliers: It's a skies deck, there are spirits that are good, pretty straightforward. Butcher's Cleaver is good, especially when you stick it on Invisible Stalker. Invisible Stalker + equipment (*especially* cleaver) was pretty much the Pack Rat of Innistrad. Silent Departure is probably the best blue common. Grasp of whatever that puts it on top of their library is also good, but pretty expensive. U/B Zombies: This is about milling yourself (good ways to do this are Deranged Assistant, who ramps you, and Armored Skaab, who's a 1/4 with ETB self-mill). Using the creatures milled this way, you put out otherwise grossly-undercosted cards like Stitched Drake, which is a 3/4 flyer for 3 holy poo poo (except you have to exile a creature from your graveyard to cast it). B/R: this is supposed to be vampire aggro, but... it's just not really that great. Doesn't really add up to a ton, and you'll mostly just be playing Good Cards (like Brimstone Volley, which is a *very* Good Card, or Victim of Night or Tribute to Hunger). The 4 mana 2/2 flyer (I think) that drains your opponent for one every time any creature dies is goddamn absurd. R/G: Woofs and werewoofs! Not as much of a Deck as GW, WU, or UB, but more of one than RB. Generally, you're gonna do aggressive things, play various flavors of woof and attack. Be prepared to skip a turn to flip your werewoofs--it's not doing nothing, it's making all your creatures ginormous. If the front side is garbage (specifically thinking of Village Ironsmith and the 4 mana 3/2), the backside probably isn't enough to make it a great card, but if it's reasonable on the front, the back is great. Love me some Villagers of Estwald. G/U/B: I've got GU and BG wrapped up here because they're both about the graveyard synergies. Spider spawning is a thing but honestly, as sweet as that deck is and as much as I love it, I would advise against it. Lots of people want it real bad. But if you just do it for value with things like Gnaw to the Bone or Graveyard Wurm (or even Spider Spawning purely for value, you don't have to combo for it to be good), you're in a good spot. U/R: BURNING VENGEANCE. This is a sick control deck. Burning Vengeance is a sweet, sweet uncommon, and the more you can trigger it the better this deck is. You'll probably hide behind fortress crabs and burn them out with Vengeance and maybe the 6 mana 4/2 that burns them for two whenever a creature dies. Geistflame is good! Silent Departure is good! Every flashback is a free shock holy wow! W/R: CRAP. W/B: Tokens! This deck got a lot better with Dark Ascension with Lingering Souls and the human sacrifice theme, but you still get a sweet anthem and some good token makers here.
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The Lord of Hats posted:W/R: CRAP. Words to live by, really.
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^^^ This is good. Thanks.
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Lets Pickle posted:Oh my god rare redrafting in an Oath/Battle draft would be the rudest loving thing. "Hey good job opening an expedition for me noob it's mine now hahahahahaha" All the stores just let you buy out the pack if you open an expedition. It ruins my dream of being able to turn one strip mine someone in booster draft.
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mcmagic posted:Speaking of Innistrad Draft... My LGS is having one in a few weeks and I have no idea how to draft the format. Anyone know of a good primer? http://manadeprived.com/drafting-innistrad-for-dummies/ Money cards from Innistrad: http://mtg.dawnglare.com/?p=viz&s=ISD The spell lands are all good, but the B/R one is worst of them. Drownyard can be unbeatable by itself. Invisible Stalker + Butcher's Cleaver is very tough to race, and is the worst feeling to lose to. edit - delver is trap in limited. You will not have enough spell to flip it. Bugsy fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Yawgmoth posted:And then we're back to the old "those dumb newbies should clearly spend dozens if not hundreds of hours researching this game and its formats in great detail before even considering stepping into my LGS" elitist horseshit. The game should be fun, first and foremost; rare redrafting invariably ends with 1-2 happy people and 6-7 people feeling lovely. I will gladly pay an extra $5 if it means everyone goes home with something other than bulk. The place I go to doesn't redraft expeditions though.
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Yawgmoth posted:And then we're back to the old "those dumb newbies should clearly spend dozens if not hundreds of hours researching this game and its formats in great detail before even considering stepping into my LGS" elitist horseshit. The game should be fun, first and foremost; rare redrafting invariably ends with 1-2 happy people and 6-7 people feeling lovely. I will gladly pay an extra $5 if it means everyone goes home with something other than bulk. I have no problem with rare redrafting as long as the store marks it as such before the event and spells out what it means so noobs don't show up and get upset. JerryLee posted:' Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I have no problem with rare redrafting as long as the store marks it as such before the event and spells out what it means so noobs don't show up and get upset. I don't think anyone has a real problem with it when they actually point it out and explain it, but from most of the stories I've seen posted in this thread (and its previous incarnations) a lot of places just don't do that.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:40
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Entropic posted:I really want to know what the Clue tokens are going to look like. Only an idiot isn't going to run 
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Feb 9, 2016 22:44
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Maybe we can get Clue TM-shaped candy for FNM or the prerelease? 
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Everblight posted:https://twitter.com/DarklandsMierce/status/697084284595806208 drat, Wayne England's art was some of my favorite. RIP
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Angry Grimace posted:Only an idiot isn't going to run 
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Sickening posted:So they weren't up front and you gave them your cards anyway? No, I knew this place did rare redrafts and had been in a few already. Then I played at one draft, opened up the money card of the set, and lost it because I went 2-1 instead of 3-0. I came out on top with value because our pod managed to open up a lot of valuable mythics when M14 was new, but losing it because I didn't play well enough or whatever turned me off of doing a redraft ever again real quick.
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Star Man posted:No, I knew this place did rare redrafts and had been in a few already. Then I played at one draft, opened up the money card of the set, and lost it because I went 2-1 instead of 3-0. I can't imagine rare redrafting in such places becomes anything but people sneaking in their own resealed packs (with bomb dollar rares of course) and replacing the packs you received at the front with them. It's win/win.
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Feb 9, 2016 22:55
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Please bring Garruk Relentless back to standard! I guess probably in Eldritch Moon since I didn't see him in the SOI card. Still the best flip walker.
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Mezzanon posted:Please bring Garruk Relentless back to standard! I guess probably in Eldritch Moon since I didn't see him in the SOI card. The dude is sealed away on Zendikar. He isn't coming back any time soon.
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Ramos posted:The dude is sealed away on Zendikar. He isn't coming back any time soon. I don't think he's anywhere in particular other than attempting to murder Liliana wherever she happens to be. The last thing we knew of that happened to him was in the Duels 2015 story where Jace did some sort of poo poo on him and then an Ice-Powers Planeswalker confronted him to try and force him to go to Innistrad (at which point Garruk murdered them).
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Chill la Chill posted:I can't imagine rare redrafting in such places becomes anything but people sneaking in their own resealed packs (with bomb dollar rares of course) and replacing the packs you received at the front with them. It's win/win. Up until recently, redrafting was the norm for my store. Due to unknown reasons, they've said its not the norm anymore, but that if a whole pod agrees to it we can do it. Our pods are roughly split down ability levels, and the "top" pod (which i am in) will generally choose to redraft. Product is handed out moments before the draft begins, so there's little time for replacements, and if we ever caught someone of it, they'd be out the door, and told they could come back when they'd learned. Redrafting allows us to draft better, as there's no longer the consideration of "do i draft this $5 dud, or this sweet uncommon"
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Ramos posted:The dude is sealed away on Zendikar. He isn't coming back any time soon. No?
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mehall posted:Up until recently, redrafting was the norm for my store. Redrafts are fine when all 8 people agree to it
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Ramos posted:The dude is sealed away on Zendikar. He isn't coming back any time soon. No he's not. Jace just used part of a hedron to stop Garruk from turning in to a demon (kinda like Ob Nixilis) [this was on Shandalar, for what it's worth]. Last we saw him a planeswalker from Innistrad showed up to take him to Avacyn but instead got murdered as heck.
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Garruk pretty much went full evil and is all about Planeswalkers being the Greatest Prey of All. We'll see him again when we do a plane that's basically The Most Dangerous Game in MTG expansion form.
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Angry Grimace posted:Garruk pretty much went full evil and is all about Planeswalkers being the Greatest Prey of All. We'll see him again when we do a plane that's basically The Most Dangerous Game in MTG expansion form. So muraganda, then
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I only redraft in home games. We always have teams and the winning team distributes the money rares between them (usually by drafting) which really ups the motivation to do well and not let your teammates down.
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The more discussions I see about rare redrafting/#mtgfinance/the Reserve List/reprinting Modern staples, the more I think that it would be beneficial for Cardboard: The Commodifying to have its own thread.
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:The more discussions I see about rare redrafting/#mtgfinance/the Reserve List/reprinting Modern staples, the more I think that it would be beneficial for Cardboard: The Commodifying to have its own thread. What would we talk about in here then?
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GeneX posted:So muraganda, then I mean, this would rule as a plot and plane so I can only hope. Like, the Power Rangers go to Muraganda to retrieve Garruk for [PLOT REASONS] since Garruk went there to hunt the crazy beasts there, but then when they get there they realize they can't leave and Garruk's hunting them down. The plot ends with Jace getting decapitated. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Ramos posted:The dude is sealed away on Zendikar. He isn't coming back any time soon. "Garruk pulled the Hebron out of himself and is mostly but not entirely healed of the veil curse." I just want to play a cool planeswalker from my favorite standard ever.
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Mezzanon posted:"Garruk pulled the Hebron out of himself and is mostly but not entirely healed of the veil curse." Same That's why I want to play Jaya Ballard, Task Mage.
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Zoness posted:Same That's why I want to play DRS.
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Zoness posted:Same Daretti is cool and all but I'm pretty sure they'd have sold a hell of a lot more Commander decks if it was Jaya Ballard, Planeswalker.
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GeneX posted:Triple Innistrad is an amazing draft set, basically. What about Dark Ascension and Avacyn Restored? Do they hold up, or just the original of the block?
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Pontius Pilate posted:What would we talk about in here then? the lore stuff going on is about a billion times more interesting than people discussing making pennies by spending dollars on cards.
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Kylaer posted:What about Dark Ascension and Avacyn Restored? Do they hold up, or just the original of the block? INN INN DA is still good but the pack of DA is just worse than triple INN. Avacyn Restored is one of the worst modern limited formats ever.
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Pontius Pilate posted:Avacyn Restored is one of the worst modern limited formats ever. Super splashy bombs, bad color balance, terrible removal, and one of the themes is blinking things so what removal you do have probably won't even hit, and a shallow card pool. It's bad. Oh also Miracles though they fall under splashy bombs.
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