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asio posted:so get a
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We need a sort of Super-Basic-Income. How will Kate Moloney pay off her crippling debts otherwise?
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 02:39 |
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Sorry, yes, bad post. Actual solution: nationalise all mortgages so that in financial hardship you can still keep your home.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 02:40 |
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And Newstart wouldn't be very useful either, even if they were eligible for it. Would a negative income tax really be that much more work than the current tax system?
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 02:40 |
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asio posted:Sorry, yes, bad post. Actual solution: nationalise all mortgages so that in financial hardship you can still keep your home. wasn't saying it was a bad post, just saw an opportunity
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 02:41 |
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Ah yes, that negative income tax will help me pay the bills after I lose my job.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 02:58 |
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bowmore posted:Wouldn't cost of living just rise? I guess it would if the money was given out equally to everyone but you might be able to get around that by re-jigging the tax structure so that above a certain point you start paying an additional levy which effectively takes back the UBI money you received. The amount could be calculated weekly/fortnightly based on how much employment income you have bought in. Wouldn't need any addition bureaucracy because it would just be an automatic calculation. Failing that, the government could just step in and set prices for everything to stop the cost of living from going up
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:27 |
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100 Aussie Comedians posted:Dear Rich White Men Who Are In Charge Of Things,
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:40 |
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That sounds exactly like the kind of thing Adam Hills would write.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:45 |
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open24hours posted:That sounds exactly like the kind of thing Adam Hills would write. Yeah, when I heard about the letter he was the first guy I thought of being involved.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:46 |
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I was talking about the style rather than the content. I agree with most of the things he says on his show but he really does come across as preachy.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:47 |
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On a related note; I saw Toby Halligan as part of the Fringe festival last week and if you like hearing jokes about how poo poo Tony Abbott is and onion eating (as I know most of you do) he was pretty good! I don't think he's doing any more shows in Perth at the moment but you can probably catch him elsewhere.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:49 |
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So apparently I can deliver all the glorious lefty things I want (no high speed rail, that's dumb) without even touching the GST or super AND keeping negative gearing AND have 40bn net revenue. Sign me the gently caress up.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 03:51 |
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Scott Morrison was upset with the Guardians budget balancing thing because there was no kill the poor option.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 04:04 |
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Birdstrike posted:So apparently I can deliver all the glorious lefty things I want (no high speed rail, that's dumb) without even touching the GST or super AND keeping negative gearing AND have 40bn net revenue. Yeah, I played around with it as well and it just can't be that easy. Can it?
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 04:13 |
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When your main aim is shifting the burden of tax, ie cutting corporate tax and personal income tax and raising and broadening the gst, you end up 5 B in the red.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 04:19 |
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Yeah, I played around with it as well and it just can't be that easy. Can it? Sure it is, but nobody wants to make their rich backers mad.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 04:21 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/10/australians-to-bypass-car-dealers-and-import-directly-from-japan-and-uk Gonna get me the sickest drift weapon. [edit: I reed gud. Bastards still protecting the used car industry.] open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Yeah, I played around with it as well and it just can't be that easy. Can it? Yeah it's not. Firstly, I'm not sold that abolishing the CGT discount holus bolus is workable. Remember, the discount was brought in to replace indexation, which accounted for a measure of inflation eating into your gain if you held the asset for a long period of time. Applying the discount is a lot easier to work out, but in most cases I've seen indexation actually saved more tax. Philosophically I can't stand income from capital gains being taxed concessionally as compared to income from other sources (eg labour). However, I could wear a CGT discount of say 20% for individuals in lieu of indexation. Secondly, making any substantial reduction in the CGT discount in one go would kill housing markets overnight. This is reason enough for many of us itt to do it, but crashing overnight would be bad for the economy. That's why I would propose a stepped reduction over 5-10 years to the level you want to achieve. The downside is that you don't bring in that big pile of tax money next year, but on the flip side you're less likely to have a housing industry/wider economy crash.
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open24hours posted:http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/10/australians-to-bypass-car-dealers-and-import-directly-from-japan-and-uk The used imports market is full of local stock at dirt cheap prices as it is. And odo wind backs could be abused more now - buy a lightly used vehicle, wind back to under 500kms and sell as near new (according the article). Though 80 bucks to check the dereg papers is nothing on a few thousand dollars+ The overall condition of the cars should improve though as you're less likely to get R grade stuff being sold as "4.5A"
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 05:01 |
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They're still pretty expensive. A stock Chaser old enough to drive itself is well over $10k.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 05:04 |
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asio posted:Sorry, yes, bad post. Actual solution: nationalise all mortgages so that in financial hardship you can still keep your home. Nationalise all houses and jobs. Every day you will be assigned a new house, job, and family according to shifting demographics. Just like in Sim City.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 05:05 |
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Niche vehicles. My 180sx could be sold for as much as I bought it for 8 years ago. This new law is likely to just make expensive cars that would be out of reach for the vast number of people slightly cheaper for the upper class to buy (eg luxury and super cars).
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Scott Ludlam salty as gently caress
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SCREAMING LLAMA, GUESS WHAT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WELFARE CHEATS AREN'T THE ONES ON WELFARE Someone who doesn't need to worry about getting membership so the AEC reinstates their legitimacy posted:Gambling addict sentenced for embezzling almost $180,000 from government disability department Who could have guessed that anecdotes were not actually data????? -- And now we return to our regular Pavel http://i.imgur.com/5bydkEs.jpg
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 05:35 |
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Not sure how a corrupt embezzler has any bearing whatsoever on ScreamingLlama's ideas on welfare fraud.
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 05:45 |
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Amethyst posted:Not sure how a corrupt embezzler has any bearing whatsoever on ScreamingLlama's ideas on welfare fraud. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it points toward the majority of fraud (by dollar value) is not being committed by people on welfare especially when compared to white collar crime.
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Amethyst posted:Not sure how a corrupt embezzler has any bearing whatsoever on ScreamingLlama's ideas on welfare fraud. Not sure how someone committing welfare fraud has any bearing whatsoever on Llamas ideas on welfare fraud? Good job hooman posted:I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it points toward the majority of fraud (by dollar value) is not being committed by people on welfare especially when compared to white collar crime.
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hooman posted:I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it points toward the majority of fraud (by dollar value) is not being committed by people on welfare especially when compared to white collar crime. Ok, but they are entirely unrelated crimes.
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Birb Katter posted:Not sure how someone committing welfare fraud has any bearing whatsoever on Llamas ideas on welfare fraud? Good job Embezzlement is not welfare fraud, dummy.
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Amethyst posted:Ok, but they are entirely unrelated crimes. They are both defrauding the government of money... How many mates deals are there with property investors, with preferred contractors, with developments, grants, land approvals do you think are entirely above board? How many private investigators is the government hiring to track these down? All of it is fraud committed against the Australian Government. EDIT: ^^ I'm pretty sure embezzlement is a type of fraud. hooman fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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hooman posted:They are both defrauding the government of money... Well, they were caught, presumably by someone hired to investigate. Anyway, this is a really stupid attempt at attacking ScreamingLlama with irrelevancies. An employee stealing from their employer is a separate issue from welfare recipients making fraudulent claims.
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hooman posted:EDIT: ^^ I'm pretty sure embezzlement is a type of fraud. Oh wowee they feature the same word in them, that means they are exactly the same. Good reasoning as usual in the Auspol symposium.
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tithin posted:Scott Ludlam salty as gently caress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAhdtplkwUk&feature=youtu.be
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# ? Feb 10, 2016 06:11 |
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Except the thing SL was specifically worried about was that there was less money available to welfare recipients like him, thanks to welfare cheats. We are pointing out something that is an even bigger problem, that threatens his pool of welfare money even more, and thus should get him even more outraged.
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BINGO!
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Bifauxnen posted:Except the thing SL was specifically worried about was that there was less money available to welfare recipients like him, thanks to welfare cheats. By posting a story about someone getting caught? It sounds like that problem is being handled by existing enforcement mechanisms. SL is saying this isn't the case with the separate problem they're talking about
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Gambling addicts get into a hole and embezzle from their employer all the time. it is not a problem specific to the welfare system, or even to the public sector in general. Bringing up a typical case of embezzlement and saying "SEE! You're wrong about this completely separate issue" is just weak.
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gay picnic defence posted:I guess it would if the money was given out equally to everyone but you might be able to get around that by re-jigging the tax structure so that above a certain point you start paying an additional levy which effectively takes back the UBI money you received. The amount could be calculated weekly/fortnightly based on how much employment income you have bought in. Wouldn't need any addition bureaucracy because it would just be an automatic calculation. Could just alter the income tax brackets to so that the lower end keeps all their UBI while the top ones pay more. Then use the previous years tax return to calculate everyone's monthly UBI payment with the current years income tax paying or collecting any imbalances? That's how I kinda figured it could work, but I'm just spitballing here.
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