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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:loving borders, how do they work? It's not unusual. The Pagan realms generally go to poo poo because of various conquests/subjugations, and the fact that they'll intermarry between any pagan religion, which leads to people having claims/inheriting stuff halfway across the continent. Europe in the 769 start can go one of two ways; either Charlie holds on long enough to form Francia (or the HRE, very rarely), and then it more or less stays a giant blue blob forever, or he kicks the bucket early, the whole continent splits up into three kingdoms, which themselves fall into chaos, and everything goes to hell like in the east. In my current game it was the latter - in fact he died off so early that Carloman actually ended up as king of West Francia for a while because Karl died before the event fired that kills Carloman off.
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Also being stuck with any flavor of gavelkind for several generations ruins borders.
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One more for the night: Eh, I've seen uglier borders. Wait a second....  Is that...?  Oh, gently caress off.
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It would be nice if Muslims could use Favors to demand decadent people to shape up. Especially since, at least in this one guy's case, it seems to still be tyrannical to arrest decadent dynasty members that have turned down my demand to knock it off.
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Feb 10, 2016 08:34
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GSD posted:It would be nice if Muslims could use Favors to demand decadent people to shape up. Especially since, at least in this one guy's case, it seems to still be tyrannical to arrest decadent dynasty members that have turned down my demand to knock it off. It's always been that way, but the tyranny penalty is lower than if you just arrest someone randomly.
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Feb 10, 2016 08:36
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Europe in the 769 start can go one of two ways; either Charlie holds on long enough to form Francia (or the HRE, very rarely), and then it more or less stays a giant blue blob forever, or he kicks the bucket early, the whole continent splits up into three kingdoms, which themselves fall into chaos, and everything goes to hell like in the east. In my current game it was the latter - in fact he died off so early that Carloman actually ended up as king of West Francia for a while because Karl died before the event fired that kills Carloman off. I don't think it's possible to form the HRE any more. One of the Francias or Germany will infest the continent, gain massive infamy as a result and be stomped by a Coalition of Everyone. And players can't do it because the reputation changes make it basically impossible to reach 100 with the Pope.
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Feb 10, 2016 09:41
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Has anybody else had issues with the official CK2 to EU4 converter in the latest patch? I ran it and it created a whole bunch of uncolonized provinces in India (that had almost full population bars and a culture but no owner). Anybody else had this issue?
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Shiiiit, I bought all the expansions except Conclave and the world map has drastically changed across all of europe. Bulgaria appears and disappears in new eras and a bunch of the balkan states have entirely different borders.  This makes my Byzantine roleplaying much harder. Edit: Apparently I can no longer order my own children murdered, either?!?
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Rime posted:Shiiiit, I bought all the expansions except Conclave and the world map has drastically changed across all of europe. Bulgaria appears and disappears in new eras and a bunch of the balkan states have entirely different borders. Killing your old children was taken out a few patches ago. It made dealing with (elective) gavelkind, too easy. And since they pushed some form of gavelkind on all tribals and unreformed pagans, they had to make sure that it forever remains the worst succession system.
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Rime posted:Edit: Apparently I can no longer order my own children murdered, either?!? Just put them at the head of the smallest army and send it to fight the combined forces of the Kaiser or some poo poo
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Another possibility is to make them your Chancellor and have them fabricate a claim or try to foment dissent, or your Court Chaplain and try to have them convert a pagan province.
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Jedit posted:I don't think it's possible to form the HRE any more. One of the Francias or Germany will infest the continent, gain massive infamy as a result and be stomped by a Coalition of Everyone. And players can't do it because the reputation changes make it basically impossible to reach 100 with the Pope. Apparently they're going to address the huge infamy from the Charlemagne events in the next patch, but the Pope requirement will probably always be an issue for the AI now. It was never very good at it even before all the relationship modifiers got halved. As a player though you can still do it if you double up a chancellor and court chaplain improving relations in Rome. Or hell, just make an antipope and press their claim.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Apparently they're going to address the huge infamy from the Charlemagne events in the next patch, but the Pope requirement will probably always be an issue for the AI now. It was never very good at it even before all the relationship modifiers got halved. As a player though you can still do it if you double up a chancellor and court chaplain improving relations in Rome. In the upcoming changes post by Paradox about the infamy and coalition fix, they also said that the 100 relations with the pope requirement will be waived for the AI.
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So what's this I hear about Conclave being the last bit of DLC released for CK2?
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Apparently they're going to address the huge infamy from the Charlemagne events in the next patch, but the Pope requirement will probably always be an issue for the AI now. It was never very good at it even before all the relationship modifiers got halved. As a player though you can still do it if you double up a chancellor and court chaplain improving relations in Rome. I just formed the HRE with Charlemange in ironman mode by letting the Pope educate my children at 10 rep a kid, plus a gift, an indulgence, and the Theology focus. I had the extra negative of owning a county he wanted.
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Feb 10, 2016 17:32
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Vichan posted:So what's this I hear about Conclave being the last bit of DLC released for CK2? Probably fake since we dont have China on the map yet
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So, before I completely gently caress myself in my current ironman game. Will all of the coalition actually declare war on me if I attack someone in it that is Muslim or Pagan if most of the coalition is Christian? Or will just the parts that share religion join?
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Elias_Maluco posted:Probably fake since we dont have China on the map yet Or Africa. Like, China would be a major amount of work mapwise, but Africa dude...just extend the map a liiitle bit down south, add that land bridge between the two sides over the jungle, add some new mechanics maybe to tribal govt. and religious systems and voila. Still a fair bit of work, but a lot less than going for the full Asia experience.
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I think it makes more sense for them to extend the map by following the Silk Road east vs. expanding south in Africa, but the tears on the paradox forums over creating an Africa DLC would totally be worth it. What I really want, though, is an expansion that just offers a bajillion more events and story chains. I am a terrible goon who enjoys role playing my characters based on their traits and any help in doing that would be much appreciated!
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TheCIASentMe posted:So, before I completely gently caress myself in my current ironman game. Will all of the coalition actually declare war on me if I attack someone in it that is Muslim or Pagan if most of the coalition is Christian? Or will just the parts that share religion join? They won't if it's a holy war, but they might if it's a claim war.
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I can personally confirm that coalitions trigger regardless of CB. I declared holy war for a Muslim duchy, and a West African (my religion) coalition member auto-joined. Edit: 
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Feb 10, 2016 19:34
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No further map expansion, please. It will only create even more pocket worlds like India which will hog the CPU and 99% of players won't deal with anyway.
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That apparently isn't happening anyway so,
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Apparently they're going to address the huge infamy from the Charlemagne events in the next patch, but the Pope requirement will probably always be an issue for the AI now. The AI doesn't have the Papal relations requirement.
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How the hell do you siege someone's island holdings in the Karl start?
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cool and good posted:How the hell do you siege someone's island holdings in the Karl start? Vassalize someone else on the island and hope they can give you more men than your enemy. This could work for Sardinia/Corsica and maybe Cyprus or Iceland. Alternately: Wait 50 years.
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You win this time, Duke of Mallorca
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Odobenidae posted:Vassalize someone else on the island and hope they can give you more men than your enemy. This could work for Sardinia/Corsica and maybe Cyprus or Iceland. Or be Vikings (which is also requires waiting 50 years but you get the upgrades and tech for free at least). Unrelated note: Groogy: Is it intended that women can become marshal at Notable status of women, but can't be made into commanders until Full? It seems like both of those options should unlock at Notable and Full should be reserved for Abs. Cog inheritance and no opinion penalties for female rulers/heirs.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Unrelated note: Groogy: Is it intended that women can become marshal at Notable status of women, but can't be made into commanders until Full? It seems like both of those options should unlock at Notable and Full should be reserved for Abs. Cog inheritance and no opinion penalties for female rulers/heirs. I'm not sure, but I do know that there is some variation and differences between cultures/religions in when stuff gets unlocked. Cathars, Basque and so on get stuff earlier I think? But my initial guess from what Divine was thinking is that the Marshal is not a commander but as a position in the council who does a ton of paper lifting and not as much swinging around with swords. (Now days I never put my marshal in the armies, he does better job raising more men since high martial is not decisive to winning battles but leadership traits are). I'll check if it is WAD but my guess is it is.
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So what's with the Erudite and Stubborn traits? I haven't seen any events or anything for them.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So what's with the Erudite and Stubborn traits? I haven't seen any events or anything for them. You can get them as a result of some of the new childhood traits maturing. I'm not sure if they have any kind of special effects in events or anything - I think they're just standard traits. Groogy posted:I'm not sure, but I do know that there is some variation and differences between cultures/religions in when stuff gets unlocked. Cathars, Basque and so on get stuff earlier I think? But my initial guess from what Divine was thinking is that the Marshal is not a commander but as a position in the council who does a ton of paper lifting and not as much swinging around with swords. (Now days I never put my marshal in the armies, he does better job raising more men since high martial is not decisive to winning battles but leadership traits are). That kind of makes sense - my thinking was along the lines of the old system where someone flagged as eligible for the marshal position (like Joan of Arc) would also automatically be considered eligible to lead armies. If it makes any difference the game I noticed it was as a Reformed Slavic Russian ruler. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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A confidential source has informed me about a bug in one version of the game. If a black and a white character would had children, there is a chance that the children would have horse gfx. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Nope, checks out I know a guy IRL that is a horse and he had a white parent and a black parent. Jokes aside, I hope they don't increase the map
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 Take a loving hint Sancha.... It's -15 relations per event, so I've told her to gently caress off at least 20 times now. She still keeps spamming me every month. Also, I wish they'd do something to make handling prisoners easier. I got 60 prisoners from taking a single county a while back, and most of them are still rotting in my dungeons, because it's just not worth the bother to do anything about them. I'd settle for a "release all prisoners"-button at this point, just to get rid of the spam from education events (I really don't care how well educated my prisoners are). Maybe a "automatically try to ransom all prisoners"-toggle, like the one for stopping plots? Would be nice if the "ransom prisoner" button disappeared or changed substantially instead of fading slightly when ransoming isn't possible too, because it's a bit difficult to tell the difference at a glance between prisoners I can and can't ransom.
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I know there's been a patch since the update. Is the game now pretty stable or still got that new-dlc shakiness? I've been reading The Prince in my lunch breaks and it's made me want to engage in some serious realpolitik.
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There are a few annoying issues, but it's definitely playable. The whole "shattered retreat" thing definitely needs some work though, I end up ragequitting almost every time my army does a shattered retreat. Like yesterday, I lost a battle in Aragon (I'm the emperor of Hispania and control all of Iberia) during a war with some Italians. My army then decided to "retreat" to the enemy capital in northern Italy, which was pretty much the only direction they couldn't safely retreat, because one of my allies had a tiny army there. Marching there and back again takes ages, so luckily the AI was too incompetent to do any real damage while my troops were loving around. Just don't lose any battles and it's not too bad.
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This patch owns so much. First time ever I see a Germanic raider straight up kick the pope out of Rome. loving incredible. That and Lombardy actually holy warring for things in Africa  One question though, what exactly is the point of a mercenary band? I see there's a modifier on my holdings sucking 30% of my levy size to maintain the (now 6300) guys of the Constantinopean band. Is feeding them more troops going to increase how much levy size they take from me? Is there some neat mechanic I should be exploiting like landing my own band and have a varangian guard 2.0 available on the cheap?
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Hambilderberglar posted:This patch owns so much. First time ever I see a Germanic raider straight up kick the pope out of Rome. loving incredible. That and Lombardy actually holy warring for things in Africa It's kind of confusing - when they ask for more troops it doesn't actually seem too increase the demand on your demense levies, it just makes the mercenary band bigger, and thus more expensive. The main point of having one is that when someone hires them, a portion of the upkeep costs they pay goes directly to you, so you're trading levy size for more (potential) income.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It's kind of confusing - when they ask for more troops it doesn't actually seem too increase the demand on your demense levies, it just makes the mercenary band bigger, and thus more expensive.
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