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HEY GAL posted:also why are the wettiner so hilarious and drunk and the windsors so...whatever they are English food?
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Is this where the sovereign part of sovereign citizens comes from?
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HEY GAL posted:it's pronounced vet teen, there's nothing wrong with that Blustery.
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EvanSchenck posted:Sometimes these differences of law become very important. For example, Hanover and Great Britain were in personal union 1714-1837. Great Britain's laws of succession permitted queens, but Hanover was under Salic Law, which did not. She's not allowed to wear the hat. Therefore the titles were separated and Hanover went to her uncle Ernst August I. A remarkably large number of clever people spent a great deal of time during the 20th century trying to work exactly what the relationship was between the British monarch and his/her realms and dominions. So Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but also Queen of New Zealand. Does that mean she has 16 titles or one? Who advises the Queen of New Zealand on how to exercise prerogative powers - the Prime Minister of Great Britain or the Prime Minister of New Zealand? What happens if a New Zealander is granted a British honour? If the Privy Council decides that an appeal from a New Zealand Court should be allowed, who do they advise - the Queen of New Zealand or the Queen of Great Britain? What happens if the Commonwealth realms adopt different laws of succession? How come the Realm of New Zealand is bigger than the Dominion of New Zealand? As with most matters Commonwealth, this is all neatly resolved by not looking at it too hard, and carefully avoiding any messy issues - so there's a convention that the Commonwealth realms change their succession law all at the same time, as happened a couple of years back. Most of the rest have been the subject of court decisions or Cabinet memoranda or Crown legal opinions that essentially boil down to "come on, man, don't be a smartass". So this stuff does still come up occasionally!
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:A remarkably large number of clever people spent a great deal of time during the 20th century trying to work exactly what the relationship was between the British monarch and his/her realms and dominions. So Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but also Queen of New Zealand. Does that mean she has 16 titles or one? Who advises the Queen of New Zealand on how to exercise prerogative powers - the Prime Minister of Great Britain or the Prime Minister of New Zealand? What happens if a New Zealander is granted a British honour? If the Privy Council decides that an appeal from a New Zealand Court should be allowed, who do they advise - the Queen of New Zealand or the Queen of Great Britain? What happens if the Commonwealth realms adopt different laws of succession? How come the Realm of New Zealand is bigger than the Dominion of New Zealand? That's how a surprising number of things in human history work, honestly. 
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chitoryu12 posted:The C-RAM is capable of shooting down artillery and mortar shells through sheer volume of fire, so we know that we already have the technology to "see" their flight path and intercept them with a hail of 20mm slugs. From there, you just need to be able to improve the accuracy to one-shot reliability and translate that to a maneuverable shell. Could those things be deployed in sufficient numbers/density to stop Western Front-style saturation bombardment? Alternately, if you had enough tubes could a modern army set up Western Front barrage of that sort without getting wrecked by counterbattery/aircraft/drones/drone-guided counterbattery? Would the necessity to shoot and scoot make it too hard for the artillerists to put enough shells downrange in sufficient numbers to swamp active defenses? e: this post seems Keldoclockish. I don't know poo poo about any of this stuff. HEY GAL posted:it's pronounced vet teen, there's nothing wrong with that superior Polish liquor? Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Hogge Wild posted:"Some contemporary sources, including Wilhelmine of Bayreuth, claimed that Augustus had as many as 365 or 382 children. " Spread the wealth, not the stealth ; ) Rockopolis posted:Is this where the sovereign part of sovereign citizens comes from? No, it comes from a bad case of the dumb and crazies. The term surfaced in the nineteen eighties when people arrested for filing false lien notices against IRS personnel and other tax shittery used the term in their defense.
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bewbies posted:In mildly interesting future of artillery news I had a tech presentation today about a "next gen howitzer" that fires a guided slug or HE round at between 1.5 and 2 km/s out of a smoothbore 60 caliber 155mm tube. As designed it is supposed to be capable of engaging most atmospheric air threats along with a surface2surface range of between 250 and 400km. Admittedly I don't know all that much about ballistics, but isn't 400km range kind of extremely on the optimistic side? Taking the basic trajectory formula, 2 km/s velocity does you some 400km maximum distance, but that's completely ignoring air resistance. And since drag increases quadratically with with velocity that would be pretty signficiant, even with an extremely aerodynamic shape.
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HEY GAL posted:it's pronounced vet teen, there's nothing wrong with that Windsor blandness is a feature, not a bug. It's about being so dull that nobody can be bothered to chop off your head. They're the heirs to the Hanoverians, in that regard.
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Perestroika posted:Admittedly I don't know all that much about ballistics, but isn't 400km range kind of extremely on the optimistic side? Taking the basic trajectory formula, 2 km/s velocity does you some 400km maximum distance, but that's completely ignoring air resistance. And since drag increases quadratically with with velocity that would be pretty signficiant, even with an extremely aerodynamic shape. Don't guided shells generally get more range by being able to procrastinate about falling?
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100 Years Ago The German navy continues getting more aggressive with a raid on the Dogger Bank tonight. Heavy artillery fire and demonstrations at Frise, with two days to go before Verdun. Wully Robertson has now just about finished centralising authority for running the war with the Chief of the Imperial General Staff; Flora Sandes reports that her blokes aren't doing too well on Corfu; Evelyn Southwell gets some unexpected extra authority thanks to some rotten German gunner; and finally we find a new correspondent who isn't a British subaltern. This is a French infantry sergeant called Robert Pelissier, and I'm pretty sure he's going to provide us some insights from the Hartmannswillerkopf, one of the few nasty spots in the Vosges mountains.
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chitoryu12 posted:The C-RAM is capable of shooting down artillery and mortar shells through sheer volume of fire, so we know that we already have the technology to "see" their flight path and intercept them with a hail of 20mm slugs. From there, you just need to be able to improve the accuracy to one-shot reliability and translate that to a maneuverable shell. Well, we've been able to detect ballistic rounds in the air for a long time, and shooting them down was just mating counterfire radars with old CWIS technology. Intercepting a ballistic missile is something else entirely; the interception speeds are higher by an order of magnitude, engagement distances are much further (which introduces things like atmospheric and thermal factors), and you've got pretty advanced countermeasures on high end ballistic missiles. In other words it is probably possible but it isn't really like just scaling up LPWS. Grand Prize Winner posted:Could those things be deployed in sufficient numbers/density to stop Western Front-style saturation bombardment? Alternately, if you had enough tubes could a modern army set up Western Front barrage of that sort without getting wrecked by counterbattery/aircraft/drones/drone-guided counterbattery? Would the necessity to shoot and scoot make it too hard for the artillerists to put enough shells downrange in sufficient numbers to swamp active defenses? I mean, you probably could, but it'd take a LOT of guns, and a lot of ammo. An LPWS gun can cover maybe a 500m ellipse on the ground, and for reference the entire US Army inventory is about 40 guns. The guns have the magazine depth for 10-15 engagements, and each engagement uses around $5,000 worth of fancy bullets. Then you've got the operational factors: LPWS is a ridiculous piece of crap, it weighs as much as a small tank and has the mobility (literally) of your average semi truck, and it breaks if you look at it wrong, and it has a huge physical and electronic signature, and and and etc Perestroika posted:Admittedly I don't know all that much about ballistics, but isn't 400km range kind of extremely on the optimistic side? Taking the basic trajectory formula, 2 km/s velocity does you some 400km maximum distance, but that's completely ignoring air resistance. And since drag increases quadratically with with velocity that would be pretty signficiant, even with an extremely aerodynamic shape. I'm sure you're right about the math but these rounds aren't necessarily ballistic; some variants even have little stub wings and so on.
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Perestroika posted:Admittedly I don't know all that much about ballistics, but isn't 400km range kind of extremely on the optimistic side? Taking the basic trajectory formula, 2 km/s velocity does you some 400km maximum distance, but that's completely ignoring air resistance. And since drag increases quadratically with with velocity that would be pretty signficiant, even with an extremely aerodynamic shape. I suspect at such large ranges the curvature of the earth starts working out in your favour, though...
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SeanBeansShako posted:That is hilariously German. Part of me kind of hopes there is some weird crude German slang involving sausages that evolved from that. But Germans have no sense of humor, is a well known fact! Apart from the absurd, the burlesque, the word-play and general high spiritedness in the face of adversity I mean.. Here's an excerpt from Gunther Bloemertz' autobiographic account as a Luftwaffe fighter pilot during WWII: Morale is at an all time low, the previous day the respected commander is killed in a ground collision with a rookie, who survives and is awaiting a court marshall. To add to the stress an "Order from the Führer" states that bomber formation are now to be attacked from astern, leaving the fighters much more vulnerable to defensive fire, and even higher casualties are to be expected. It is the morning of the dreaded day, clear skies ("ominously fine weather") and massive bomber formations with escorts are already heading their way. The pilots aren't dealing with the waiting very well; chain smoking, numerous visits to the loo, even vomiting. All are affected, except Ulricht: Only Ulrich sat besides me as usual, writing away at something which he wouldn't let anyone even glance at. But now he laid his pencil aside: "I've finished," he grinned. Getting to his feet, he took up a position in front of the line of men and began an imitation of "fat Hermann" [Herman Göring, general of the Luftwaffe] "Comrades of the Luftwaffe! For the strengthening of morale, for the improvement of the offensive spirit, training and discipline of my troops; I consider it necessary to read publicly Routine Order number Ldv 217 stroke c, part A." Everyone was struck dumb, we all looked at him malovently. This was simply too grotesque, too painful. [...] I was in the act of jumping up to stop him when Papi restrained me. "Let him be. He's all right, I know what he's after." Slowly I began to understand. Ulrich wanted to break the spell which was lying over us all, to make us laugh just once before we jumped into our machines [...] "Part A: Action Stations. At the order 'Action Station' pilots will proceed at a steady double to their aircraft. The pilot and the No. I mechanic will fall in facing one another three paces in front of the right trailing-edge of the left wing and take up ground position. The pilot will apply his right hand to his headgear and report 'Pilot ready for take-off!' The No I mechanic will thereupon apply his right hand to his headgear, or in the event of none being available, will raise his right arm in the German salute (also see Ldv 28 stroke 2b, page 83, para. 4) and report, 'Nothing fresh to report concerning the machine!' The two will then change places, as for guard-relief, with the words 'Machine handed over correct!' The pilot will then proceed at a short, quick step to the left side of the aircraft facing the cabin and will take up ground position. The right hand will grasp the upper foothold with the thumb extended along the lower edge. The right leg will be drawn up with the knee bent as close to the body as possible and the foot placed on the lower foot-rest. The pilot will push himself off with the ball of the left foot and pull himself upwards on to the wing. With a short rhythmical movement he will then swing himself into the cockpit." He paused for breath. The situation was practically in hand, the joke being gradually accepted.[...] "The harness will be fastened in the following sequence: Upper lifeboat-strap Lower lifeboat-strap Left lower parachute-strap Right lower parachute-strap Left upper parachute-strap Right upper parachute-strap Left belly-strap Right belly-strap Left shoulder-strap Right shoulder-strap If the correct sequence should be missed the process will be repeated from the start." Vogel, Meyer II and I burst into laughter at this absurdity, and most of the others joined in. Ulrich was winning. At this moment came the first report. Achtung! Large formatios, probably bombers, assembling over London,- Take-off is likely in ten minutes time." Ulrich continued inexorably: "Part B: Take-off. At the order 'take-off' the pilot will adjust his mental attitude with a jerk to align it with the forthcoming combat. While doing this the head will remain still. The weight of the body will at the same time be equally distributed on both buttocks. The face will take up its characteristic expression and the eyes will be directed straight ahead with the chin thrust forward. The engine will then be started in accordance with Ldv 763 stroke, part 6b, page 24, section 3, para. I" The tense atmosphere had finally broken, and everyone laughed and clamored for him to continue. They scarcely listened any longer to the reported positions of the enemy formation. "Part C: Attack. If the enemy is sighted, the order 'Load and on safety-catch!' will be given. The firing position will be taken up, the safety-catch adjusted with the outstretched index-finger of the left hand, the left eye will be closed and the enemy held firmly in the sights with the right eye. The right index-finger will be pressed against the trigger-guard. On the word 'Fire' the enemy is to be shot down. After shooting-down: eyes up, finger extended, head raised, and stick quietly released. Should, however, flak be encountered during the air battle the duty of the fighter is fulfilled, for the enemy can only anticipate a quick and awful end." "Part D: Attack by the enemy. On approaching an enemy, some such intention will be anticipated. On nearer approach course will be altered downwards. Junior pilots will report by radio-telephone in the following words, 'Please Herr Formation-leader, may I go home?' Part E: Emergencies. Shot down pilots will assemble on the ground and will be led home by the senior airman present. In these circumstances, movement across the terrain and singing will be carried out in accordance with the Manual of Infantry Training. On reaching a first, second or third class road the senior airman will form the pilots into column of route and lead them to shelter, singing songs of the fatherland while so doing." We jumped laughing into our aircraft, some of us in accordance with Ldv 217. Gunther Bloemertz: Heaven Next Stop, a Luftwaffe Pilot at War Sutton Publishing ISBN 0-7509-2054-8
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bewbies posted:I mean, you probably could, but it'd take a LOT of guns, and a lot of ammo. An LPWS gun can cover maybe a 500m ellipse on the ground, and for reference the entire US Army inventory is about 40 guns. The guns have the magazine depth for 10-15 engagements, and each engagement uses around $5,000 worth of fancy bullets. Then you've got the operational factors: LPWS is a ridiculous piece of crap, it weighs as much as a small tank and has the mobility (literally) of your average semi truck, and it breaks if you look at it wrong, and it has a huge physical and electronic signature, and and and etc Phalanx CIWS was a closed-loop fire-control system, meaning that you had a radar tracking the inbound, and another system tracking the outgoing shells, and it'd fire a burst, see how it missed, adjust, fire another burst, and repeat until the target was dead. This meant that you couldn't really expect first-burst hits, and effectively set a minimum engagement time for each target. Coupled with the speed and terminal maneuvering capabilities of modern Russian anti-ship missiles, that made it marginal at best against those targets (Anything more advanced than a subsonic seaskimmer like an Exocet or Silkworm, basically). Did they ever improve that? Without a fire-control system good enough to deliver first-round hits, the gun can't quickly pick a target, kill it, switch to another, so it'd be easy to overwhelm even a big array of these guns by just saturating the system with targets. Other CRAM systems like Iron Dome try to plot the trajectory of inbounds so as to avoid engaging inbounds that were just going to blow up a vacant lot anyway, but I don't think LPWS can discriminate like that. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Mr Enderby posted:Windsor blandness is a feature, not a bug. It's about being so dull that nobody can be bothered to chop off your head. They're the heirs to the Hanoverians, in that regard.  (sybille von sachsen, 1515-1592)  (magdalena von sachsen, 1507-1534)  (elector christian ii, 1583-1611--I think this one drank himself to death)  (elector johann george i, 1585-1656) Edit: Found one of my favorite Wettin pictures, Elector Augustus I with the Meissen schwert, which is I think a symbol of their office:  I love his facial expression in this, that's a hard man. But you can see they all have the same physique. Same nose, too. (And the same hair--you can just see Magdalena and Sybille's hair under their elaborate headgear, and it's the same color as Christian II's and what remains of Augustus I's.) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Phanatic posted:Phalanx CIWS was a closed-loop fire-control system, meaning that you had a radar tracking the inbound, and another system tracking the outgoing shells, and it'd fire a burst, see how it missed, adjust, fire another burst, and repeat until the target was dead. This meant that you couldn't really expect first-burst hits, and effectively set a minimum engagement time for each target. Coupled with the speed and terminal maneuvering capabilities of modern Russian anti-ship missiles, that made it marginal at best against those targets (Anything more advanced than a subsonic seaskimmer like an Exocet or Silkworm, basically). C-RAM uses a Q37 and Q50 radar plus FAADC2, I don't really know if that is any improvement over the Navy architecture. It works well versus artillery and mortars because it is relatively easy to intercept slow moving ballistic targets. LPWS's performance against them is pretty outstanding, much better I'm sure than against and advanced cruise missile. They can certainly be saturated, but the main limitation is the poor magazine depth. As for demarking defended areas, the footprint of C-RAM is so small that it isn't really necessary.
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HEY GAL posted:nobody would chop the head off a Wettin, who would dare
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Yeah, if the plane had bulletproof glass it was usually a could they witstand 20 mm auto canons
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Hogge Wild posted:i think that he used to post here Nah, he's a sound technician from Leeds. He used to go out with a friend of mine.
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Trench_Rat posted:could they witstand 20 mm auto canons Depends on the type of hit I would imagine. The F-4 Phantom has a 1-inch thickness for the glass so probably not. Not a direct hit anyway.
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 Joachim Nestor, Prince-Elector of Brandenburg, last Catholic Hohenzollern, or your CompSci TA? i am so into his jacket/cloak situation HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Tevery Best posted:The only thing the entire Saxon period in Poland is remembered for is the wild parties.  Amazing.
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I think if my CompSci TA showed up dressed like that I'd think he was pretty darn cool Also in my airship spergings, I encountered a British name. A very very British name: Wing Commander L.J.E Twistleton-Wykeham-Fiennes that is all
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Nebakenezzer posted:I think if my CompSci TA showed up dressed like that I'd think he was pretty darn cool Going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Fiennes I'm willing to bet he was an ancestor of Ralph Fiennes aka Voldemort and M from James Bond.
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feedmegin posted:Going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Fiennes I'm willing to bet he was an ancestor of Ralph Fiennes aka Voldemort and M from James Bond. I don't know, look at those hyphens, that indicates the dude is like a Duke or something. (He was the air attache to America in 1930.)
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Hogge Wild posted:i think that he used to post here He's got nothing on US Civil War General William "Bull" Nelson.  Murdered by General Jefferson C. Davis:  Somehow, the Union was so hard up for officers that they decided to just not convict the guy for murder. They just didn't promote him.
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I also want to point out the huge size disparity between them: "Bull" Nelson was 6'2 and over 300 pounds, while Davis was 5'9 and 125 pounds. If he didn't use a gun, Nelson probably could have just crushed his head by closing his hand around his face. Nelson also called him a "damned puppy" during the fight that led to his death.
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Man Whore posted:Being a Union officer with the name Jefferson Davis must have been fun he and abraham b lincoln should have hung out
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Nebakenezzer posted:I don't know, look at those hyphens, that indicates the dude is like a Duke or something. (He was the air attache to America in 1930.) If you follow the link, the actor has exactly the same hyphens in his surname.
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chitoryu12 posted:I also want to point out the huge size disparity between them: "Bull" Nelson was 6'2 and over 300 pounds, while Davis was 5'9 and 125 pounds. If he didn't use a gun, Nelson probably could have just crushed his head by closing his hand around his face. Nelson also called him a "damned puppy" during the fight that led to his death. It's kinda cheating to call it a fight when Davis has the time to walk away, ask two people for a gun, walk back, and shoot Nelson in the heart without warning.
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chitoryu12 posted:He's got nothing on US Civil War General William "Bull" Nelson. Just based on Nelson's looks I"m going to assume he was the most annoying, goony fucker ever. They probably decided they were better off without having to listen to him droning on and on about ancient roman coins or how telegrams were superior to semaphore or whatever obsessive goons latched onto those days and just let it ride.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Just based on Nelson's looks I"m going to assume he was the most annoying, goony fucker ever. They probably decided they were better off without having to listen to him droning on and on about ancient roman coins or how telegrams were superior to semaphore or whatever obsessive goons latched onto those days and just let it ride.
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HEY GAL posted:to judge from wallenstein: logistics, sericulture, and spite It was when Nelson started lecturing about the need for a standardized shipping container that Davis knew what he had to do...
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Cyrano4747 posted:Just based on Nelson's looks I"m going to assume he was the most annoying, goony fucker ever. They probably decided they were better off without having to listen to him droning on and on about ancient roman coins or how telegrams were superior to semaphore or whatever obsessive goons latched onto those days and just let it ride. He kept recommending a pike regiment.
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bewbies posted:footes treatment of that gong show is pretty hilarious. it was basically like two modern angry twenty something mma fans in a bar trading insults about how little the other could bench until finally someone got shot that's every soldier fight
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HEY GAL posted:that's every soldier fight That's every bar fight on the US east coast between like march and september
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