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drilldo squirt posted:To be fair it seems like they are starting to crack down on it. I don't see it. Israel has always been willing to crack down on the most egregious examples.
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It's always easier to punish the most egregious offenders because that way you can scapegoat them and ignore the systemic issues that breed those insanely hateful people in the first place
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 18:39 |
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Also, and possibly more relevantly, these radical movements are targeting more than just Arabs and Muslims. They're anti-Christian, anti-non-Orthodox, anti-gay, and in many cases they oppose the Israeli government itself. That's what the crackdown is really about - these movements aren't just murdering Palestinians, they're also burning churches, vandalizing Reform synagogues, stabbing gay pride marchers, and throwing stones at soldiers. Ettinger's manifesto called for using terrorism to exacerbate various social tensions in Israel in hopes of sparking an outright civil war, which he hoped would lead to the collapse of the current secular Israeli government and pave the way for the establishment of a Jewish theocracy. These radical movements have simply grown beyond anything that Israel could turn a blind eye to. Moreover, Israel sometimes needs to show a strong response for political reasons. High-profile cases are the ones that make international headlines, and are therefore far more important than the daily violence. That's probably why the Duma arson suspects have been railroaded so hard, complete with "enhanced interrogation" justified under "ticking bomb" clauses.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 19:31 |
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Ytlaya posted:2. Israel is perceived as another "white/Western" country, even if this may not really match reality. Many people in the West tend to be far more interested in countries they perceive as being similar to their own committing crimes than countries they view as very alien/different. This is definitely completely illogical and isn't a good reason, but I can still understand why it happens. I want to bounce off this one in particular. I think one of the other reasons for the focus on Israeli human rights violations is that it actually claims aspirations to be a state in support of human rights to begin with. To use a different example, in various Syrian Civil War related discussions, some people will occasionally claim that whenever there's an alleged crime committed by Kurdish forces; however, I think this is because out of all the major forces in the region, the Kurds (and the SDF around them) are about the only ones who say they give a drat about rights an equality. Thus, when the regime bombs a neighbourhood into rubble, it's a non-story, but if a Kurdish unit fires on civilians, it is immensely controversial. I see something of a similar effect with the Israeli regime. Pro-Israeli propaganda constantly says things like "We have gay rights. We have women's rights. We have minority rights. This is why you should support us." It's only natural that a significant reaction to that premise will be "The fact that those things matter to you mean you should know better."
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A Terrible Person posted:I also didn't see anything about the teenagers' families' houses/apartments being scheduled for demolition. Guess I wasn't the only one curious about this... quote:The father of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teen who was kidnapped and burnt alive by Jewish extremists in 2014, has demanded that the Israeli government demolish the family homes of his son’s murderers and remove their Israeli citizenship, following their sentencing on Thursday.
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My book. Alternate universe fiction. Mature themes, explicit sexuality w/ humans and animals. "Mrs Sharon I'm sorry but your baby is an owl." Gur Ben Ariel is a human-sized owl with human legs. He survives shooting himself in the face at 11 and becomes a force for peace who can transform humans into animals at the touch of a feather. Accompanied by his mother (still human) and his father (transformed into a literal lion) he crusades against the occupation. In the end he sacrifices his life to transform all Palestinians into dolphins, solving the conflict once and for all. Meanwhile Ariel fucks me (I'm a time traveller in this book) while Lily watches and applauds. I take his furry golden lion cock into my grand canyon and cum like an IMI Negev. The epilogue ends with me giving birth to a lion with a human head and naming it Moshiach. Lily and Ariel dream up a travelling human-animal sex circus and travel around Europe until they're able to retire comfortably in Jerusalem and live off their savings.
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Uh, okay guy.
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# ? Feb 8, 2016 04:15 |
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Fund it.
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# ? Feb 8, 2016 04:16 |
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It's called The Book Of Ariel and it will be an abject critical and commercial failure that most countries don't even bother to ban.
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# ? Feb 8, 2016 04:17 |
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Like the Sharon sons (non-fictional) sue me and all but I can tell their hearts aren't really in it. In the end I'm left profoundly bankrupt and survive on welfare for the rest of my life. I become a recluse known for breaking into MGM movies and masturbating loudly during the title screen and for about an hour afterward.
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# ? Feb 8, 2016 04:21 |
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My tombstone, commissioned by my family, will read DIED OF A HEART ATTACK AND WAS EATEN BY HER QUAILS, AGE 27
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Avshalom posted:My tombstone, commissioned by my family, will read DIED OF A HEART ATTACK AND WAS EATEN BY HER QUAILS, AGE 27 You are the best poster in this thread.
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# ? Feb 8, 2016 04:23 |
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Anyway please pretend this never happened and go back and read this post because it's loving horrifying.
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My other novel, "The Chirpy Albatross", is a light-hearted comic adventure for children aged 3-6.
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:I want to bounce off this one in particular. I think one of the other reasons for the focus on Israeli human rights violations is that it actually claims aspirations to be a state in support of human rights to begin with. This is easily the worst/stupidest/most bizarre anti-Israel argument that gets regurgitated in these threads. It's got the barely sub subtext of "If they stopped pretending to be ranked amongst us civilized Westerners, the way the Arabs have, we wouldn't have this problem" style Orientalism. And that's without addressing the weird racial issues where white Europeans/Americans decide to impose a white identity on Israeli Jews. Its 'reasoning' also leads to grotesque conclusions, like the idea that the creation of an explicitly theocratic non-democratic state in Israel would be an improvement because it wouldn't be as hypocritical.
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# ? Feb 9, 2016 02:11 |
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It's not really that weird to expect a nation that voluntarily signed the UN charter to actually uphold some or all of those tenets and apply them equally to all of it's citizens(that includes bedouin in the negev who are israeli citizens but are restricted to similar land usage/zoning laws that apply to palestinians in the west bank for example). The population of the west bank aren't entitled to be treated as full citizens, nor would they probably even be accepted if one were to attempt the process, yet leaving all the civic distinctions aside they still deserve to be treated far better than they are now.
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# ? Feb 9, 2016 03:00 |
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The Knesset passed a law allowing it to suspend MKs. It then immediately suspended three Arab MKs.
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Main Paineframe posted:The Knesset passed a law allowing it to suspend MKs. It then immediately suspended three Arab MKs. Totally not apartheid!
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Ultramega posted:paging the awesome ghost to the thread Hi Kuwait is still an Arab country but it really is much more westernized than the impression you would get from following it in the news and like, weird laws one MP proposed that make it to international news. Compare a random Kuwaiti citizen to a random GCC Citizen especially and we get made fun of for being a 51st state or the "Israel of the GCC" or whatever. However "Functional" we will have to see, there's gonna be a difficult readjustment period with the spending cuts coming, which everyone agrees need to happen but disagrees fundamentally over where Oh also; A significant portion of Kuwaiti graduates are offered Kuwait-Funded scholarships to the US which is intentional from both sides THE AWESOME GHOST fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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Good looking out, dude. Appreciate the insight.
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Oh Bibi, you just can't help yourself can you? http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702318quote:"At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all," said Netanyahu. "I'll be told, 'this is what you want, to protect the villa?' The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts." Though I must correct the Haaretz translator, he didn't say "wild beasts" he said "beasts of prey" which I think is slightly more racist.
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The Insect Court posted:This is easily the worst/stupidest/most bizarre anti-Israel argument that gets regurgitated in these threads. It's got the barely sub subtext of "If they stopped pretending to be ranked amongst us civilized Westerners, the way the Arabs have, we wouldn't have this problem" style Orientalism. And that's without addressing the weird racial issues where white Europeans/Americans decide to impose a white identity on Israeli Jews. It must take a lot of effort to try to find the most offensive subtext possible in nearly every post on this thread. The concept that nation states often get judged by standards they create for themselves, and that they are often called out on resulting hypocrisy isn't exactly new or groundbreaking, let alone offensive. Ratoslov posted:You are the best poster in this thread. Also, this is true.
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Demiurge4 posted:Totally not apartheid! Actually, I was wrong - the suspension law hasn't passed yet, and they were suspended by the Ethics Committee. This is part of an ongoing controversy with these three MKs - they met with the families of Palestinian attackers in East Jerusalem, whose bodies have been held by Israeli government for the last four months, in order to discuss the refusal of Israel to return the bodies to their families for burial. Naturally this means they're being widely criticized as traitorous terrorist-supporters, and Netanyahu is making truckloads of political hay out of it. Aside from the Ethics Committee complaints and the suspension law, Netanyahu has ordered the AG to investigate the meetings to see if they can be charged with a terrorism offense in spite of their parliamentary immunity, and there have been the usual calls for banning specific Arab parties outright. Interestingly, there has been a bit of opposition to the suspension law from the far-right, particularly the Haredi - since the law would allow a Knesset supermajority to suspend MKs for any "unseemly" behavior, it could potentially be deployed against any small party, not just the Joint Arab List. Also, the rigbt sometimes meets with the families of terrorists themselves; for example, Ayelet Shaked met with the mother of one of the Duma arsonists. In other news... Military police who went to Ashdod to arrest a draft-dodger were attacked by a mob of angry Haredi rioters, who threw rocks at them and flipped over a police car. Heavy police reinforcements were sent to rescue and extract the officers. None of the rioters were harmed or arrested. The Foreign Press Association in Israel, which represents foreign journalists, was invited to a Knesset committee hearing to "explain" foreign journalists' "biased" reporting.
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They just keep getting dumber and dumber:quote:A Likud lawmaker was met with derision in the Knesset plenum, after saying that that there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, since Arabic doesn't have the consonant "P."
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You can't be serious. How do people like that even get into politics.
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Ultramega posted:You can't be serious. How do people like that even get into politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe#Global_warming_a_.22hoax.22
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quote:"What? Did everyone hear this? Are you an idiot?" Meretz MK Tamar Zandberg called out, to which Berko responded: "Yes."
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I had to walk away from my phone and take a deep breath after I read the part where he cited a work of fiction during a hearing about science. I wish I could make up poo poo for $180k a year and lifetime benefits.
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His Purple Majesty posted:I had to walk away from my phone and take a deep breath after I read the part where he cited a work of fiction during a hearing about science. I wish I could make up poo poo for $180k a year and lifetime benefits. You... may not want to read about Justice Scalia's opinions on torture, then.
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Noted anti semite Tom Friedman talks about the end of the two state solution and actually suggests that it isn't just the Palestinians behind why the two state ideal is dead.A man who talks to too many Cab Drivers posted:The Many Mideast Solutions
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Demiurge4 posted:Totally not apartheid! Yes, we all remember that time when those three black MPs were suspended from the parliament of apartheid South Africa, leaving black Africans in control of the third largest parliamentary bloc. Truly horrifying, do these Zionist fiends have any limits? quote:What are you afraid of? Bibi, Bennett, Ariel, Smotrich, Elkin, Levin, Hotovely, what are you, nerds? http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702639 The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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So why wasn't Aylet Shaked suspended for meeting with families of the terrorists who murdered the Dawash family Insect court?
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The Insect Court posted:Yes, we all remember that time when those three black MPs were suspended from the parliament of apartheid South Africa, leaving black Africans in control of the third largest parliamentary bloc. Truly horrifying, do these Zionist fiends have any limits? There's no antisemitism in the United States of America, because Jewish Americans constitute fully one-half of the third-largest parliamentary bloc.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:They just keep getting dumber and dumber: quote:The lawmaker's gaffe was made during a Knesset debate on the Labor's plan for separating from the Palestinians. I feel like this is stretching the definition of "gaffe" beyond recognition. She said exactly what she wanted to say, and I'm sure that's a chestnut they pass around.
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Article quoted by Crowsbeak posted:And Hamas is the mother. Hamas devoted all its resources to digging tunnels to attack Israelis from Gaza rather than turning Gaza into Singapore Hahahahaha I'd like to travel to the parallel Earth where Hamas tried to turn Gaza into Singapore, see how that turned out for them. "We're gonna get rich on external trading! While Israel is blockading us and preventing us from developing any sort of infrastructure! It will totally work!" A big difference between Gaza and Singapore is that Malaysia was not fully invested in preventing Singapore from ever developing any sort of real economy or autonomy.
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In the latest act of religious hatred, a man stole a Jewish prayer book at the Western Wall from a group of people who were praying there, and then burned the book in front of them. The police put out the fire but did not otherwise bother the man, who was permitted to remain there and was not arrested. If you're shocked by this show of restraint, don't be - after all, the man was a Haredi Orthodox Jew who was attacking Reform Jews - and women, at that. Scandalized by the sinful sound of women's voices at such a holy site, he grabbed a (Reform) prayer book from the nearby Women of the Wall group, but found the contents to be "impure", "heretical", and "against men", so he set it on fire. Meanwhile, a man has been arrested for leaving a pig's foot in a Haredi synagogue, and his indictment is in the works. The man's ethnicity and religion are not mentioned, so he's probably Jewish; his motivation seems to be that he's angry that the Haredi group wrested the property (formerly a homeless shelter) from the city in a legal battle and then closed the shelter to convert it into a synagogue. The planned construction of an Arab middle school in northeast Jerusalem is likely to be canceled after the government came out against it, complaining that it was a "potential threat" to the nearby police station.
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Cat Mattress posted:Hahahahaha I'd like to travel to the parallel Earth where Hamas tried to turn Gaza into Singapore, see how that turned out for them. "We're gonna get rich on external trading! While Israel is blockading us and preventing us from developing any sort of infrastructure! It will totally work!" Im pretty sure the Singapore thing is an actual Yasser Arafat quote.
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Cat Mattress posted:Hahahahaha I'd like to travel to the parallel Earth where Hamas tried to turn Gaza into Singapore, see how that turned out for them. "We're gonna get rich on external trading! While Israel is blockading us and preventing us from developing any sort of infrastructure! It will totally work!" I'm confused as to how any human being with a functioning brain could believe something like "if Palestinians did the right thing instead of terrorism they could be an economic powerhouse!" And I don't mean this as an insult; I'm honestly curious about what goes on inside of the head of someone who believes something like that. When someone brings up stuff like Israeli blockades, what goes through their head? edit: I should clarify that I could understand some person who knows nothing about the Israel/Palestine situation hearing a soundbyte like that from a politician they like and repeating it, but someone like Friedman presumably is forming these opinions on his own.
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Main Paineframe posted:The planned construction of an Arab middle school in northeast Jerusalem is likely to be canceled after the government came out against it, complaining that it was a "potential threat" to the nearby police station. You just know that those Arab middle schoolers would have TPed the police station.
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Wanted to crosspost this from YCS, since wheez was a regular in this thread and prior versions, and some people here may remember him. Petey posted:Some of you old time LF types may remember noted forums poster wheez the roux, who was a pretty great comrade-poster, supporter of the SPLC and palestinian refugees, outrageously good cook, and generally Awesome Dude
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