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EorayMel posted:So, to recap: pretty sure that was actually krisanne hall and not fiore, otherwise this is pretty spot on e: fiore strikes me as a populist looking for some fame/reelection/money and not an insane idiot, but i said something similar about cliven soooo
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EorayMel posted:*Children are dragged there by one heinous rancher; purposely said to be used as human shields and eventually safely gotten out via Child Protective Services CPS took some kids from multiple people who WERE there, and those people appear to have taken their kids from where CPS put them and moved them somewhere else, where those kids ended up isn't clear.
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Platystemon posted:I’m saying that there’s no way Fiore eats charges. Her antics won’t get her more than a stern talking‐to. The sheriff maybe gets charged, depending on the contents of his phone calls Plus the sheriff is technically part of the DOJ so the FBI can really put the screws to him.
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theflyingorc posted:he made for a good story - he's stopping the government from taking "his land", which is a narrative that appeals to a lot of people I mean they spoke in support of the Bundys during the standoff. True, taking over the refuge was a bridge too far, but it's not like any of them deserve a pass for supporting Cliven et al during the bunkerville standoff. Not talking about charges, but public perception and accountability. There was that one rep from Tennessee or w/e that spoke on the House floor in support of the bundys this time around as well.
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9/11 terrorists win 2/11 counter-terrorists win Never Forget
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EorayMel posted:So, to recap: There's more meat to the beginning. The Hammonds were sent to prison for arson, but the feds appealed the sentence because it was too short for the mandatory minimum sentence. They were re-convicted and turned themselves in to serve the reset of the sentence in California a couple days after the whole thing started. IIRC the family apparently has no connection to the Bundies and when they did a FREDUMS march to their house, the family lawyer showed up and basically said "You don't speak for my clients, gently caress off."
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Levitate posted:They all surrendered but we all thought Fry was going to kill himself/suicide by cop until he ate a cookie and the FBI agreed to a Hallelujah I feel a Snickers commercial coming on...
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[quote="EorayMel" post="456157708"] Right? Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Lots of people are confusing Michelle Fiore and Krisanne Hall. Fiore is the Nevada state representative who was on the phone with the Final Four last night, and was promising to come meet them so they could all walk out with her and give her a good photo op being the hero. She apparently actually got to the barricades today but we didn't hear much of anything from her after that. Krisanne Hall is some crazy christian lady who was on the line with them today and who was really bad at doing anything but inadvertently fanning the flames and almost getting them killed. As crazy a gun-nut loony as Fiore is, she actually was pretty good at talking them down from the ledge of doing something really dumb. Hall, not so much.
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Feb 11, 2016 21:00
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Krisanne hall is also a sovcit "judge", scare quotes emphasized.
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Feb 11, 2016 21:01
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EorayMel posted:So, to recap: Bundy's are from Nevada, the Hammonds (firebugs) are in Oregon and are unconnected to the Bundy's, aside from being cast in the same hosed-up mold. The 100+ militia were just there for a rally supporting the Hammonds. The occupation just started with 1-2 dozen of them (Ammon tried to co-opt the rally to buff his headcount numbers). The refuge's numbers grow somewhat during the next few weeks. The arrest implodes them to a handful.
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C.M. Kruger posted:There's more meat to the beginning. The Hammonds were sent to prison for arson, but the feds appealed the sentence because it was too short for the mandatory minimum sentence. They were re-convicted and turned themselves in to serve the reset of the sentence in California a couple days after the whole thing started. IIRC the family apparently has no connection to the Bundies and when they did a FREDUMS march to their house, the family lawyer showed up and basically said "You don't speak for my clients, gently caress off." Ah, I see. Thanks for the clear up Well, this standoff is officially over, right? All that's left now is what's gonna happen to everybody arrested. Having been following that much to this incident so I don't know if anybody got their court cases yet.
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Discendo Vox posted:
That was Hall, not Fiore.
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 This is now the SECOND best part of this whole incident (because; Cliven)
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Entropic posted:That was Hall, not Fiore. thanks, but I'll just delete it. I'm not gonna hold that up as a record, it's much to short and I'm headed into the office.
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HAHAHAHA. Fry just made national npr news. FBI (maybe Mark?): "Hallelujah! Put your hands behind you back..."
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EorayMel posted:Well, this standoff is officially over, right? All that's left now is what's gonna happen to everybody arrested. Having been following that much to this incident so I don't know if anybody got their court cases yet. There are no militants remaining at the refuge.
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Platystemon posted:There are no militants remaining at the refuge.
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Is it normal, negotiation-wise, for the person(s) to initially demand all sorts of Big Things in exchange for leaving, only to really just want small things? Or is it more of a case that the dude was just really hungry and tired?
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MisterBibs posted:Is it normal, negotiation-wise, for the person(s) to initially demand all sorts of Big Things in exchange for leaving, only to really just want small things? Or is it more of a case that the dude was just really hungry and tired? That's how real negotiations work, but most people in this sort of negotiation are batshit crazy so who knows.
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Can someone remind me what Blaine Cooper did? Googling just leads to people talking about how he was just arrested and at this point I've lost track of some of the idiots involved in this whole mess.
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For those who missed it, NPR has the whole morning stream up: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/11/466394039/listen-final-occupier-refusing-to-leave-oregon-wildlife-refuge The "hallelujah" moment is at 3:13
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SubponticatePoster posted:Just poo poo, garbage, and dildos. And lube. Lots of lube.
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MisterBibs posted:Is it normal, negotiation-wise, for the person(s) to initially demand all sorts of Big Things in exchange for leaving, only to really just want small things? Or is it more of a case that the dude was just really hungry and tired? e: A Winner is Jew posted:And lube. 
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Entropic posted:As crazy a gun-nut loony as Fiore is, she actually was pretty good at talking them down from the ledge of doing something really dumb. Hall, not so much. I'm not sure Fiore would have done much better with Fry, and KrisAnne was mostly fine when talking to the other 3, it's just that Fry wasn't quite the same brand of crazy as them so the things they were saying weren't really resonating with him e: to some extent it seems like Fry kind of just wanted SOMETHING in return for surrendering, even if it was just the FBI saying Hallelujah because he asked and maybe getting a pizza
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Discendo Vox posted:Krisanne hall is also a sovcit "judge", scare quotes emphasized. Seriously? I want to see videos of her "courtroom" in action.
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Not these assholes again: Federal Building seize Bundy, sons, Militia
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MisterBibs posted:Is it normal, negotiation-wise, for the person(s) to initially demand all sorts of Big Things in exchange for leaving, only to really just want small things? Or is it more of a case that the dude was just really hungry and tired? It's probably fairly common for people in those situations to want to just feel like they're getting something, anything, that they're asking for so that they can feel like they're saving face and not just giving in when they come out.
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SubponticatePoster posted:Just poo poo, garbage, and dildos. But... there aren't any militants remaining at the refuge. 
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EorayMel posted:*Ammon and 6~ others stupidly leave the refuge in a painfully obvious honeytrap to get arrested I missed this, how'd they get tricked?
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Stultus Maximus posted:For those who missed it, NPR has the whole morning stream up: quote:KrisAnne Hall, an activist on the call who was trying to persuade Fry to leave, told him the country is filled with people who share his goals. Hah
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I think its more that they tricked themselves into thinking they could just freely travel across the US unimpeded after what they did.
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pathetic little tramp posted:I missed this, how'd they get tricked? It wasn't actually a trap they were just dumb. A bunch of the leadership left the refuge together in one vehicle after telling everyone publicly where they were going and when, and they got stopped.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I mean they spoke in support of the Bundys during the standoff. True, taking over the refuge was a bridge too far, but it's not like any of them deserve a pass for supporting Cliven et al during the bunkerville standoff. quote:There was that one rep from Tennessee or w/e that spoke on the House floor in support of the bundys this time around as well.
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Stultus Maximus posted:For those who missed it, NPR has the whole morning stream up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=616S8t9tek4&t=5297s Found it on the last stream video. Hallelujah indeed and cookies all around.
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OAquinas posted:Not these assholes again: Federal Building seize Bundy, sons, Militia HALLELUJAH
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Entropic posted:It wasn't actually a trap they were just dumb. A bunch of the leadership left the refuge together in one vehicle after telling everyone publicly where they were going and when, and they got stopped. I want to say it was two vehicles but that's fairly immaterial to the main point.
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Thump! posted:But... there aren't any militants remaining at the refuge. 
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SubponticatePoster posted:Sort of. You ask for 20 billion dollars and an airplane, and you get a hallelujah and a cookie (Fry is mentally unstable in addition to being sleep deprived so he was even less in his right mind). Granted I Am Not a Psychologist, but I think when you get in that mind set you start making big demands that some part of you knows is unreasonable (in his case, to never pay taxes and for the government to stop mutating people) but most of all they any personal victory at all, no matter how minor. Hence why he was able to walk away alive with a cookie, a promise of a pizza, and a hallelujah from the feds. During the stream itself, this thread exploded when he mentioned he was a messianic jew and everyone in the stream got real quiet. I don't really know anything about Messianic Judaism so I don't understand the whole subtext of the statement aside from the very face value. Are messianic Jews big on the martyrdom thing?
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