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The Duggler: Feb 20, 2011; I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

I can't wait for the Netflix Making a Rapist documentary to come out

# ? Feb 12, 2016 04:44

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upgunned shitpost: Jan 21, 2015

Henein was called 'The Hammer' when I was at Osgoode and Reva Seth is scrub tier.

The case is, if anything, a triumph of feminism.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 04:54

Arabian Jesus: Feb 15, 2008; We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

The PCs won the Whitby-Oshawa byelection easily.

PC 52
Lib 28
NDP 16
Green 1.6

Voter turnout was 25%

# ? Feb 12, 2016 05:06

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

quote:

Ms. Wynne fought hard to wrest the seat from Patrick Brown�s Tories � deploying a barrage of negative advertising and calling in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to campaign in the riding � but lost in a rout.

�When anyone promises you cheaper electricity, they�re really promising to burn coal again,� Ms. Wynne said in the ad. Neither the PCs nor the NDP have promised to bring back coal plants.

�It�s nice to see that sunny ways have come with blue skies here in Whitby-Oshawa,� he said before introducing Mr. Coe, a former civil servant and Durham regional councillor.

I like that line. Time to celebrate around the victory coal fire.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 05:10

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

jfood posted:

Henein was called 'The Hammer' when I was at Osgoode and Reva Seth is scrub tier.

The case is, if anything, a triumph of feminism.

It's not a comparison of their competency as lawyers, but showing that someone who supposedly is bound by the bar is also on record stating abuse by the same person as the victims.

I do also see some irony that it will be a woman lawyer that gets Ghomeshi off ( :laugh:

) sexual assault charges against women.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 05:17

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Feb 12, 2016 05:51

Newfie: Oct 8, 2013; 10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.

bowser posted:

He's already tried...the case was ~~dismissed~~ withdrawn and he had to pay the CBC's legal fees.

I also recall the reason he was fired is because he had a meeting where he showed unsolicited bondage porn to management, though the facts around this time were murky.

http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/news/canada/2014/10/31/jian-ghomeshi-showed-cbc-video-of-bondage-beating-sources.html

I believe that it is the case the majority of time men accused of sexual assault will opt for a female lawyer. The optics make too much sense to do anything else.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:08

Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Ikantski posted:

I like that line. Time to celebrate around the victory coal fire.

Brown is going to be handed a majority next election because Ontario voters have the memory of a fruit fly and the attention span of a gnat. It will be Harper at the provincial level all because the Liberals couldnt stop Libbing for one second.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:16

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/racist-abuse-canadian-air-force-1.3443197

quote:

Cree RCAF member left suicidal after years of racist abuse in the military

A Cree member of the Royal Canadian Air Force says he is leaving the military after enduring years of racism that left him feeling ostracized and contemplating suicide.

Master Cpl. Marc Frenette served under "poor, incompetent and often inconsistent leadership" that allowed the alleged harassment to continue for so long, according to a military report obtained by CBC News.

"He was on his hands and knees in the shower crying because he didn't know how he could take anymore," his wife Kristina Paudash-Frenette told CBC News. "It's been heartbreaking. No one deserves this at all."

This report comes at a time when the military is preparing to launch a new diversity strategy in late February to recruit more women, visible minorities and aboriginal members.

The aviation technician, 38, said he joined the military a decade ago to be part of a team. But for the last three years he says he's felt like an outsider. Frenette alleges the racism started when he moved to Petawawa's new helicopter squadron from Moose Jaw in 2013.

Frenette says squadron members at Garrison Petawawa taunted him daily with racial slurs like "kawish," "wagon burner," and hooted offensive "oh-oh-oh" noises as he passed by in the hallway.

While working on a Chinook helicopter in February 2015, an RCAF member allegedly sparked a lighter underneath him and said, "time to burn this Indian before he burns any more wagons."

"That pretty much broke me," Frenette told CBC News. "That's when I thought, what's going to be next."

Told to laugh it off

When he went to his chain of command for help, Frenette says, he was told to laugh it off.

"I felt like it was a battle," Frenette said. "I had to fight almost the chain of command, where I was hoping they would be helping me."

Frenette sent his chief warrant officer a two-page complaint asking to move squadrons over concerns for his safety.

Lt.-Col. Chris McKenna, commanding officer of 450 Tactical Helicopter Squadron, who ordered an internal investigation of Frenette's claims, told CBC News he was outraged by what Frenette endured.

CBC News obtained the final report of that investigation, which revealed that the 25 squadron members interviewed during the probe either withheld information or only told partial accounts of what happened.

"I was furious," McKenna said in an interview with CBC about the allegations. "I was very angry this would have happened in my organization."

The report also revealed significant breakdowns in leadership allowing the alleged harassment to continue without disciplinary action.

"My disappointment not only in the poor behaviour and performance of [the members] � is only surpassed by the poor, incompetent, and often inconsistent leadership provided" McKenna wrote in the report. "I am appalled at the lack of immediate and swift action.

"We cannot accept this sort of behaviour within the RCAF� as it degrades morale, combat effectiveness, and will ultimately stand in the way of delivering tactical aviation effects on a battlefield of the future."

According to the internal report the leadership involved were talked to about the gravity of not ensuring a harassment-free workplace, compelled to attend a series of professional development sessions. The officer who failed to follow up the initial complaint was issued a recorded warning.

"It's all about making sure that next time this does not occur and not giving up on someone by kicking them out of the military," McKenna said. "These are junior folks who are still learning their role � I wanted to make sure that they realize what right looks like and they have a very clear picture of that now."

Between 2001 and 2012, there were 290 cases of racism complaints within the Canadian Forces, and 129 of those cases were won by the complainants. The military recorded the numbers to review its human rights and discriminatory conduct policy. Since then, the force says it has not compiled data annually.

However, since 2013 there have been 11 human rights complaints forwarded to the Canadian Forces by the Canadian Human Rights Commission on the grounds of race, colour or religion. Of these 11 cases, eight are continuing, while the others were dropped.

Promoting diversity in military

Lt.-Gen. Christine Whitecross said one of her three priorities in implementing the upcoming diversity strategy is to increase diversity numbers.

The Canadian Forces still falls far short of reaching the required targets, according to figures provided by the military:

Women: 15 per cent (goal is 25.1 per cent).
Visible minorities: 6.5 per cent (goal is 11.8 per cent).
Aboriginal peoples: 2.5 per cent (goal is 3.4 per cent).
"We want a diverse and respectful organization," said Col. Fran�ois Bariteau, a spokesman with the Department of National Defence. "One that values differences, one that recognizes differences and can deal with differences."

Concerned the military wasn't doing enough to discipline the alleged offenders in his case, Frenette filed a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission in November, 2015.

The military says it did take action by launching a second, parallel harassment investigation, which is still underway. It involves alternative dispute resolution sessions in which Frenette sits down with a mediator and the eight people alleged to have allegedly harassed him, to confront the realities of racism and how it affected Frenette.

But Frenette says it's not enough.

"I feel the organization should be held accountable for what is done," he said.

Frenette, who is leaving the military at the end of the month, says he contemplated suicide. His marriage, once happy, has suffered, so he's moving with his wife and eight-year-old son to Hiawatha First Nation, a place where they hope to pull their lives back together.

"I feel disheartened and I'm emotionally drained," Frenette said. "I feel like I was abandoned. I was someone they couldn't really wait to get rid of as opposed to someone they wanted to care for.

"If I was to meet indigenous youth I'd tell them, 'Don't join the military."

FIGHT DISTRESS
FIGHT FEAR

GO CANADA

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:20

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Furnaceface posted:

Brown is going to be handed a majority next election because Ontario voters have the memory of a fruit fly and the attention span of a gnat. It will be Harper at the provincial level all because the Liberals couldnt stop Libbing for one second.

I think after 2 more years of Trudeau's making Canada great again, Wynne will have it pretty well locked down but we will see. All Patrick Brown has to do is be an non-offensive, inanimate object and he's doing that just fine so far. Feel free to get Paul Dewar or some other unemployed federal NDP superstar to replace Horwath to make things interesting.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:25

Isizzlehorn: Feb 25, 2010

Arabian Jesus posted:

The PCs won the Whitby-Oshawa byelection easily.

PC 52
Lib 28
NDP 16
Green 1.6

Voter turnout was 25%

For reference, that turnout is half that of the last general election in 2014. People just didn't give a fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Giving legitimacy to Patrick Brown is probably the worst outcome of this result, which is toxic in and of itself.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:29

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Newfie posted:

bowser posted:
He's already tried...the case was ~~dismissed~~ withdrawn and he had to pay the CBC's legal fees.

I also recall the reason he was fired is because he had a meeting where he showed unsolicited bandage porn to management, though the facts around this time were murky.

http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/news/canada/2014/10/31/jian-ghomeshi-showed-cbc-video-of-bondage-beating-sources.html

I believe that it is the case the majority of time men accused of sexual assault will opt for a female lawyer. The optics make too much sense to do anything else.

This is quite a typo.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:33

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Newfie posted:

I also recall the reason he was fired is because he had a meeting where he showed unsolicited bandage porn to management, though the facts around this time were murky.

Wait, what? There's bandage porn?

Rule 35. Of course there is. Somewhere, in some dark corner of the Internet I'm not going.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:37

Newfie: Oct 8, 2013; 10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.

vyelkin posted:

I also recall the reason he was fired is because he had a meeting where he showed unsolicited bandage porn to management, though the facts around this time were murky.

http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/news/canada/2014/10/31/jian-ghomeshi-showed-cbc-video-of-bondage-beating-sources.html

I believe that it is the case the majority of time men accused of sexual assault will opt for a female lawyer. The optics make too much sense to do anything else.

This is quite a typo.
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Some quality phone autocorrect at work.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 06:38

Arabian Jesus: Feb 15, 2008; We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

Ikantski posted:

Feel free to get Paul Dewar or some other unemployed federal NDP superstar to replace Horwath to make things interesting.

I want this to happen so bad

# ? Feb 12, 2016 07:00

Whiskey Sours: Jan 25, 2014; Weather proof.

Arabian Jesus posted:

Voter turnout was 25%

New thread title?

# ? Feb 12, 2016 07:21

Hal_2005: Feb 23, 2007

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 08:32

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

Like who is physically in western Canada, who is from Western Canada or who is famous anywhere to people from Western Canada?

You gotta be more specific dude.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 08:35

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Hal_2005 posted:

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

Ted Cruz?

# ? Feb 12, 2016 08:45

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Hal_2005 posted:

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

Ryan loving Reynolds

# ? Feb 12, 2016 08:46

JawKnee: Mar 24, 2007; You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

Hal_2005 posted:

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

who loving cares

# ? Feb 12, 2016 09:22

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

Hal_2005 posted:

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

Your mom, at those prices how could she not be.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 12:48

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Hal_2005 posted:

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

Cultural Imperial

# ? Feb 12, 2016 14:29

The Gunslinger: Jul 24, 2004; Do not forget the face of your father.; Fun Shoe

Ikantski posted:

I like that line. Time to celebrate around the victory coal fire.

I can't believe she had the gall to even reference energy prices after their complete bungling of them in this province.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 14:42

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

The Gunslinger posted:

I can't believe she had the gall to even reference energy prices after their complete bungling of them in this province.

Nah, it makes sense. Everyone knows electricity prices are way too high in Ontario, but a lot of people don't know why exactly because they don't have Ikantski posting articles about it for them to read. So she's trying to frame it as "high energy prices is just the cost of being green and saving the planet, look how progressive we are" so that her opponents don't get to completely control that issue since it's a very effective attack.

Whether this strategy actually works that well or not remains to be seen, but you can't just be silent on an issue like this even if it's one that reflects your horrible mismanagement.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 14:45

Jordan7hm: Feb 17, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

So what you're saying is that ikantski needs to go into politics to really push his message to a wider audience.

(Sign of posting too much: my phone autocorrect to ikantski now)

# ? Feb 12, 2016 14:51

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Hal_2005 posted:

Who is the biggest celebrity right now in western Canada? You don't need to live in Canada to answer this, just testing out a bet.

Had to lay off all your staffers did you? Maybe legal counsel can do double duty?

# ? Feb 12, 2016 15:42

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Let's bring back smog days to the GTA for prosperity

# ? Feb 12, 2016 15:45

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

I honestly never heard of Ghomeshi until the whole assault accusation went down

# ? Feb 12, 2016 15:51

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

vyelkin posted:

Nah, it makes sense. Everyone knows electricity prices are way too high in Ontario, but a lot of people don't know why exactly because they don't have Ikantski posting articles about it for them to read. So she's trying to frame it as "high energy prices is just the cost of being green and saving the planet, look how progressive we are" so that her opponents don't get to completely control that issue since it's a very effective attack.

Whether this strategy actually works that well or not remains to be seen, but you can't just be silent on an issue like this even if it's one that reflects your horrible mismanagement.

It warms my cold cynical heart that you've come around on this issue. I just don't have the gumption to fight electricity prices anymore, it's such a lost battle. I feel like she's doing my job for me with left field statements like "When anyone promises you cheaper electricity, they�re really promising to burn coal again". I would hope that kind of rhetoric raises some eyebrows among even the most progressive lesbian grandma loving, fried chicken on waffle eaters.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 16:01

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

What?

# ? Feb 12, 2016 16:30

Amgard: Dec 28, 2006

Ikantski posted:

It warms my cold cynical heart that you've come around on this issue. I just don't have the gumption to fight electricity prices anymore, it's such a lost battle. I feel like she's doing my job for me with left field statements like "When anyone promises you cheaper electricity, they�re really promising to burn coal again". I would hope that kind of rhetoric raises some eyebrows among even the most progressive lesbian grandma loving, fried chicken on waffle eaters.

I spent the better part of a year crafting intellectually dishonest rhetoric to sell to rural Ontarians. And one thing I've learned about the experience is that Ontario energy prices are absolutely bananas and yet my eye still twitches and my hands ball into fists when I hear opinions about wind farms from yet another white housewife from Point Grey.

I imagine Wynne's ability to form government depends on this reaction.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 16:54

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Amgard posted:

I spent the better part of a year crafting intellectually dishonest rhetoric to sell to rural Ontarians. And one thing I've learned about the experience is that Ontario energy prices are absolutely bananas and yet my eye still twitches and my hands ball into fists when I hear opinions about wind farms from yet another white housewife from Point Grey.

I imagine Wynne's ability to form government depends on this reaction.

Yeah, it was a us vs them division right from the start. McGuinty was attacking the NIMBYs before even passing the green energy act which removed township and municipality zoning rights for wind and solar projects. So part of the rural anger is the aesthetics and noise but another part of it is that they're so powerless to protest it. If it were a noisy factory or subdivision plan, they could at least protest it at the municipal level. Like vyelkin said, it was a really smart strategy as anyone with valid concerns about the cost or implementation of the Green Energy Act could easily be dismissed as rich NIMBY housewives.

quote:

Dissent is roiling the Liberal government with MPPs ignoring Premier Dalton McGuinty's edict that "NIMBYism" will not be tolerated to stop green energy projects.

In an unusually brazen protest, three Liberal MPPs tabled petitions in the House this week with thousands of signatures opposing wind turbines and gas-fired power plants in their ridings.

"It's a real slap at the premier and I've never seen anything like it," said one government MPP who was not involved in the demonstration.

In his push for cleaner power, McGuinty, who wants to create 50,000 green energy jobs in the next three years, has been crusading against parochial concerns trumping the greater provincial good.

"Don't say, `I don't want it around here,'" he said Feb. 10 in London.

"NIMBYism will no longer prevail," the premier said, using the acronym for "not in my back yard."

# ? Feb 12, 2016 17:51

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Build a coal plant in their backyard.

better yet, give them a coal furnace to heat their homes and power their electronics.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 17:59

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

ZShakespeare posted:

Build a coal plant in their backyard.

He actually did try to do that in the Toronto suburbs, gas plant instead of coal though. Then he caved when those NIMBYs brought in Erin Brockovitch and ended up costing the province over a billion dollars.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 18:07

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

ZShakespeare posted:

better yet, give them a coal furnace to smelt iron for great productivity

# ? Feb 12, 2016 18:08

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Why has no one said Let the rural bastards freeze in the dark yet?

# ? Feb 12, 2016 18:11

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Jian Gomeshi is a piece of poo poo, and has been well-known in media circles for being a piece of poo poo for many, many years.

I rather hope that, if he's found not guilty, his lawyer lets him drift in the wind for the inevitable civil court lawsuits.

I've talked with female friends of mine about this issue and they all seem to be just resigned to him being found not guilty. The general thought seems to be "This is what happens when women come forward about being raped. They're the ones who are blamed, being told they MUST have done something to encourage it; such whorish behavior as having an alcoholic beverage or baring one's shoulders."

One of my best friends has gone through this recently. Roofied at a bar, taken to a hotel. Has no recollection of the night after having her first drink. Went to the police, and was then told "it looked like she was asking for it."

I want to know what sort of upbringing, or mental derangement causes a man to think that it's ok to do these sorts of things.

MA-Horus fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 12, 2016

# ? Feb 12, 2016 18:12

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

What do I win if he and his lawyer start dating?

MA-Horus posted:

I've talked with female friends of mine about this issue and they all seem to be just resigned to him being found not guilty. The general thought seems to be "This is what happens when women come forward about being raped. They're the ones who are blamed, being told they MUST have done something to encourage it; such whorish behavior as having an alcoholic beverage or baring one's shoulders."

Was that what these women were being told? I thought it had more to do with them lying about having not engaged him afterward, or talking to each other, or those other things they said under oath they hadn't done before his lawyer showed them proof that they had.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Feb 12, 2016

# ? Feb 12, 2016 18:15

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CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

MA-Horus posted:

The general thought seems to be "This is what happens when women come forward about being raped. They're the ones who are blamed, being told they MUST have done something to encourage it; such whorish behavior as having an alcoholic beverage or baring one's shoulders."

The worst part is that a lot of people/men think this kind of blaming doesn't happen anymore and that feminists are clinging to the past.

# ? Feb 12, 2016 18:18

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