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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:I'd like to see their reactionTM to how you get a Lambo into neutral or reverse (my experience with the Gallardo was frustrating). Yeah, but is that better or worse than the Countach Maneuver (hang your rear end out the door while you back up)?
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Couldn't we simplify it to a lever with three states - middle for park, forward for go and backwards for reverse? I doubt most people care/need 1 or 2 or Lo or whatever. You could make the gear handle a tiny car to visually represent it, push the car forward and it goes forward. Pull it to the middle to stop and park it. Pull it back to reverse. Seems easy.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:55
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Forward = go, backwards = reverse is opposite of what most people are used to and would be super confusing! Hell, I still get confused by forward = shift up in my folks' Subaru's "manual mode". That's not what video games taught me!
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Feb 12, 2016 18:08
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Uthor posted:Forward = go, backwards = reverse is opposite of what most people are used to and would be super confusing! Having to move the lever three times to go from drive to reverse makes parallel parking a joy! My Ford has 1st gear and Reverse in the same position on the tree, except to shift into reverse you push down on the shifter as you shift. It's pretty damned easy to shift into 1st when you want reverse and vice versa, and it's loving stupid. Stick reverse on the other side of the tree like it's sane to do. 
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Feb 12, 2016 18:16
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Pfft if you have to shift more than twice to parallel park, the failure isn't the transmission.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:17
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Uthor posted:Forward = go, backwards = reverse is opposite of what most people are used to and would be super confusing! Oh yeah I know, it's just that it never made sense to me like that. Want to go forwards? Move it back. Want back? Move forward. Odd.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:18
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Muscle memory is a bitch and the current gen of people buying new cars spent 20 years throwing the gear selector all the way forward when they parked, pulling it one notch down from park to reverse and three notches down to drive. If you are going to change that control scheme, it needs to be completely different so muscle memory can't kick in, not just switch up the level/function locations. PRNDL is ingrained now, it's irresponsible to do a single lever config and switch up the order at this point.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:22
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xzzy posted:Pfft if you have to shift more than twice to parallel park, the failure isn't the transmission. Agreed, but with this one that means you need to move the shift lever six times, that's loving retarded.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:22
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xzzy posted:Bring back steering column gear selectors. Again, Tesla shows the way.  Out of focus is the gear indicator on the dash monitor. There is also some idiotproofing in the form of no weight on seat = park.  Not a cocoon, but not exactly a 50s style flat floor and front bench either. You need somewhere to put your phone and your latte. The elbow rest works really well (unless your latte is there) and I suppose something something rear heater plumbing.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:29
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Phanatic posted:Stick reverse on the other side of the tree like it's sane to do. Well, you see, putting R next to 6 and not having any kind of speed-sensitive lockout can sometimes result in what we in the business like to call a 'money shift'.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:32
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Phanatic posted:My Ford has 1st gear and Reverse in the same position on the tree, except to shift into reverse you push down on the shifter as you shift. It's pretty damned easy to shift into 1st when you want reverse and vice versa, and it's loving stupid. Stick reverse on the other side of the tree like it's sane to do. Just get a car with a dog-leg gearbox and all your problems will be solved.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:40
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I've always used "money shift" to mean going 2->1 or 4->3 at redline. Trying to use reverse when you meant 6 (or 5) will just be met with an angry grind at worst if there's no speed lockout. There's no way you'll be able to force it into reverse at those speeds, even if you gorilla it.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:44
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Ola posted:Again, Tesla shows the way. BMW and Mercedes have had this for a long time.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:53
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Uthor posted:Just get a car with a dog-leg gearbox and all your problems will be solved. gently caress the 914 so hard for that gearbox aaaaallll the way at the back and that ludicrous linkage. It's like it was designed to be sloppy. So many unintentional 1-4 skipshifts 
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Feb 12, 2016 18:55
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Safety Dance posted:God, a friend and I sat in a Prius zipcar for ten minutes trying to figure out the konami code that made it simultaneously on, parking brake disengaged, and in reverse. There's so much hidden state, you need a preflight checklist. 1. Push the on button 2. Put the shifter in R This is way harder than most automatic cars where you have to 1. Start the car 2. Put the shifter in R
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Feb 12, 2016 18:58
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Bajaha posted:I've always used "money shift" to mean going 2->1 or 4->3 at redline. Trying to use reverse when you meant 6 (or 5) will just be met with an angry grind at worst if there's no speed lockout. There's no way you'll be able to force it into reverse at those speeds, even if you gorilla it. My old Cavalier had R below 5, but it also had two safety features that prevented 5->R shifts: you had to pull a lever on the shifter to get it into reverse and there was a gate or something inside that guided the shifter from fifth to neutral before allowing you to go to the right again to hit reverse. You couldn't pull straight back from 5 into R. It's not fool proof, but you had to purposefully try in order to gently caress it up.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:03
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Unless the ECU is hung over from last night and the startup sequence fails, completely disabling the drivetrain. You do get a message on the dashboard telling you poo poo went south and the 'ready' light never illuminates, but the only way to recover is to shut the vehicle off and try again. It seems to happen most often if you try to put the vehicle in gear before it's fully started up.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:04
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KozmoNaut posted:Triple redundancy, well done Works for the warthog 
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Feb 12, 2016 19:15
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sandoz posted:1. Push the on button The newer prii are easier. This was an earlier prius, where there the indication that the car is on is a "Welcome to Prius" display on the dash. xzzy posted:Unless the ECU is hung over from last night and the startup sequence fails, completely disabling the drivetrain. You do get a message on the dashboard telling you poo poo went south and the 'ready' light never illuminates, but the only way to recover is to shut the vehicle off and try again. This is probably what we did.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:17
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Bajaha posted:I've always used "money shift" to mean going 2->1 or 4->3 at redline. Trying to use reverse when you meant 6 (or 5) will just be met with an angry grind at worst if there's no speed lockout. There's no way you'll be able to force it into reverse at those speeds, even if you gorilla it. Owning a mix of 6 and 5 speed cars taught me this.  Thanks Ford.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:21
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:D and R are back to front. It's too confusing! Actually on the ride to work, I noticed I had it backwards, and it actually is code:
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Feb 12, 2016 19:26
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The Prius C is a little unusual compared to other Toyota and Lexus hybrids. It has a conventional automatic transmission shifter. It works the same exact way complete with brake pedal interlock. The lower models of the C also have a normal ignition key - works just like in a normal car.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:31
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0toShifty posted:The Prius C is a little unusual compared to other Toyota and Lexus hybrids. It has a conventional automatic transmission shifter. It works the same exact way complete with brake pedal interlock. Downside: worst climate controls and cup holders I've ever experienced in a car. Also the dials on the radio are small, and tapered. gently caress you Toyota, before you start selling a car, try to operate it with a pair of gloves on. Not everyone lives in LA. And the radio slot looks 2 din at first glance, until you squint at it and realize one of the edges is actually curved.  edit - oh yeah and they stuck the button to change the fuel mapping to eco between the seats for some idiotic reason.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:49
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the one true best 6 gear layout:
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Everything needs this shift knob 
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chrisgt posted:Everything needs this shift knob I agree, driving economically with the price of oil this low is criminal.
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chrisgt posted:Everything needs this shift knob Make this with a BMW shift pattern and I would buy the hell out of it.
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chrisgt posted:Everything needs this shift knob Not accurate as many STI owners go to jail in 1st.
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Powershift posted:I talked about this after recently renting a grand cherokee. I test drove one recently and that was my feeling as well. It would probably be a lot better if it wasn't so easy to flip by the notches. Or just do the merc/bmw/tesla column shifter thing. Or do whats in the current charger and just have a normal shifter, which is apparently how the 16's are according to the dealer I was at yesterday.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:21
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Is prison supposed to be like super jail?
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Data Graham posted:Is prison supposed to be like super jail? Misdemeanor ==> go to jail Felony ==> go to prison Prison is basically super jail, yes. It's gaol vs. penitentiary.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:55
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sofullofhate posted:Misdemeanor ==> go to jail Also, jail is where you're held to await trial if you can't make bail. Prison is only for people who have been convicted of (felony) crimes.
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netwerk23 posted:Couldn't we simplify it to a lever with three states - middle for park, forward for go and backwards for reverse? I doubt most people care/need 1 or 2 or Lo or whatever. You could make the gear handle a tiny car to visually represent it, push the car forward and it goes forward. Pull it to the middle to stop and park it. Pull it back to reverse. Seems easy. Neutral is a legal requirement. Low is rarely necessary, but when it is you really want to have it.
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Feb 13, 2016 01:20
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H110Hawk posted:BMW and Mercedes have had this for a long time. Tesla actually used the Mercedes part in earlier cars to save money;  I too don't understand why the Prius (and hell, any modern slushtronic really, at least outside of sport-oriented vehicles) doesn't use this.
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Feb 13, 2016 01:44
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What if you're driving at 70mph and reach for your blinkers/wipers and put the car in reverse?
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Feb 13, 2016 02:15
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:What if you're driving at 70mph and reach for your blinkers/wipers and put the car in reverse? If only it were electronic and you could program it not to shift into R while moving forward.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:22
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That would be useful, hopefully it will have some kind of feature like that.
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Platystemon posted:Neutral is a legal requirement. Low is rarely necessary, but when it is you really want to have it. Low is a legal requirement too. You don't need a low position on the shifter, but you need some way to manually select a lower gear.
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Data Graham posted:Is prison supposed to be like super jail? For a minute I was confused why you were talking about an ultra violent surreal cartoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kCe7T7vJYA
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