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prefect posted:
They're mostly for people who haven't taken their Prozium.
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Well that didn't take long. Crossposting from Freep thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3599372&pagenumber=824#post456197677 quote:To: bigbob quote:To: Charlie Browns Gun quote:To: Faith65 From Jeff Head a short while ago: quote:To: PAR35
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Feb 12, 2016 19:27
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:https://www.rt.com/usa/332224-oregon-standoff-booby-traps/ This is old, but please, don't cite rt, ever, for anything, other than "this is what rt wants us to believe".
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Feb 12, 2016 19:31
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prefect posted:I love the idea that the FBI has a team dedicated to "art crime". Since there were historical artifacts at the refuge that kylo ren and the bundy bunch are on film loving with I'm assuming that their job will be cataloging and assessing the damages that occurred to them and then recommend the appropriate charges, and those can rack up really loving fast.
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Feb 12, 2016 19:34
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So how is lady justice going to handle this? Do we know where and when they will go on trial and are these things generally public?
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Feb 12, 2016 19:41
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Anosmoman posted:So how is lady justice going to handle this? Do we know where and when they will go on trial and are these things generally public? Instant sentence to pound-me-in-the-rear end prison.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:17
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snorch posted:Instant sentence to pound-me-in-the-rear end prison. But will it be public?
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Feb 12, 2016 20:19
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Anosmoman posted:But will it be public? Probably. If they're going for RICO they're going to want everyone to see how the sovcit 'magic words' are all false. I'm also hoping that they actually bring in legal experts who just completely rip apart all their arguments.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:21
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Trials are public dude
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Feb 12, 2016 20:22
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Few if any will go to trial though.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:22
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Jagchosis posted:Few if any will go to trial though. What makes you say that?
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Feb 12, 2016 20:26
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I imagine the majority of them will plead out.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:28
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E-Tank posted:What makes you say that? 3% of federal cases ever reach trial and these people all filmed themselves committing the crimes of which they are accused. If they go to trial they are very very likely to be convicted and if convicted at trial they will get much harsher sentences than if they take a plea deal.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:29
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Apparently the buildings are booby trapped at best, rigged to blow at worst. Can we just bring these terrorists to a field and execute them yet? http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/mil...tm_content=link
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Feb 12, 2016 20:29
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Any attorney that doesn't tell their client to take a plea should probably be disbarred given that literally everything is on video
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Feb 12, 2016 20:30
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Kilo147 posted:Apparently the buildings are booby trapped at best, rigged to blow at worst. Can we just bring these terrorists to a field and execute them yet? i do not believe them if they're talking about the final 4 they had "booby traps" and they were really, really sad
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Feb 12, 2016 20:32
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There's a good chance at least some of these people might be delusional enough to take it all to court, if only for the publicity. (Or they think that sov cit mumbo jumbo will save them)
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Feb 12, 2016 20:42
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go3 posted:Any attorney that doesn't tell their client to take a plea should probably be disbarred given that literally everything is on video This will work for the low level operators and maybe some of the mid-level lieutenants, but my money is on the Feds wanting to make an example of the leaders of this occupation and especially the members from the Bundy clan. The small fries are just as dead to rights as the big guys, but they may get deals just to get them out of the way for the big trials. And I fully expect a big part of the District Attorney's case is going to hinge on them completely demolishing the Sovereign Citizen movement and discrediting every bullshit talking point they've spewed in the last couple of decades. Cliven Bundy is the medium by which the SovCit movement gets put on trial in a public venue. theflyingorc posted:i do not believe them IIRC part of the criminal complaint against Ammon involves him bringing explosives to the refuge. It wouldn't surprise me if on the day they were plowing a road with the BLM equipment that they planted mines out in the desert brush to try and prevent the feds from surrounding them.
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I, for one, look forward to KrisAnne Hall defending Cliven Bundy in court.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:49
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theflyingorc posted:i do not believe them "Booby Traps" were garbage left around the camp so that and the cops would make noise if they approached them. More than likely just stuff to add to the littering charges than anything resembling a home made claymore.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:49
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As a Millennial I posted:I, for one, look forward to KrisAnne Hall defending Cliven Bundy in court. She can't.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:52
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DeathSandwich posted:This will work for the low level operators and maybe some of the mid-level lieutenants, but my money is on the Feds wanting to make an example of the leaders of this occupation and especially the members from the Bundy clan. The small fries are just as dead to rights as the big guys, but they may get deals just to get them out of the way for the big trials. Oh yeah people like the Bundy's definitely are not getting plea offers. They are going to loving burn
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Feb 12, 2016 20:58
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Doctor Butts posted:She can't. Where in the Constitution does it say that a :::Woman:;:of:;:the:family::: named KrisAnne can't legally Defend a :::Man:;:Of:;:the:Family::: named Cliven?? On the real though, holy gently caress I hate KrisAnne so much. But at least she acknowledges that FBI Mark is god-emperor, since she's thanking god that Fry was ok.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:58
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What I don't get it is, why would you admit to booby traps but then not divulge any other info? If they found them/set them off without you saying anything, you might be able to claim ignorance (GL with that!), but saying "yeah, there's some traps, happy hunting!" is just inviting further charges on your rear end.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:59
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Well I think that they're just talking poo poo because they want to hinder the investigation.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:01
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One of the people who was there has past arrests for planting homemade IEDs on federal property or something (someone posted about it a while back in the thread, anyone know who I'm referring to?), so, I think that taking the time to investigate and make sure no one's going to get blown up or something is worth it.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:15
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Jagchosis posted:3% of federal cases ever reach trial and these people all filmed themselves committing the crimes of which they are accused. If they go to trial they are very very likely to be convicted and if convicted at trial they will get much harsher sentences than if they take a plea deal. That assumes the DA offers a plea deal. This is the biggest open and shut case in history. They recorded themselves doing all this, and the FBI has recorded it all. Once it gets onto the internet, it's there forever and nothing you do will make it go away.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:17
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E-Tank posted:That assumes the DA offers a plea deal. This is the biggest open and shut case in history. They recorded themselves doing all this, and the FBI has recorded it all. Once it gets onto the internet, it's there forever and nothing you do will make it go away. There wouldn't be a DA in this case because it's federal, but AUSAs, being humans with large caseloads, like to dispense of things quickly and easily. They aren't elected officials like county district attorneys so they have less to prove with a big show trial if it's unnecessary and there's been plenty of higher profile cases than these chucklefucks where federal prosecutors have offered and sealed a plea deal Also trials are risky (because juries are stupid) and federal prosecutors are famously risk adverse.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:28
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Can someone point me to the story where it came out that lavoy was planning on betraying fry and also the instance where the bundy boys kicked him out of their caravan? I'm arguing with some sovcit fools online and I'd love to give em a knowledge smackdown.
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I really don't want to watch Fox and Friends explain why Bundy's bunch aren't terrorists after we have to sweep the area for loving IED's.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:36
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Unbootable posted:Can someone point me to the story where it came out that lavoy was planning on betraying fry and also the instance where the bundy boys kicked him out of their caravan? I'm arguing with some sovcit fools online and I'd love to give em a knowledge smackdown. From what I heard Lavoy was Fry's sole defender. Everyone hated the guy and Lavoy went to bat for him with Ammon.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:38
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No Butt Stuff posted:Well, from my conservative (insane) acquaintances, I'm learning that it's unfair that Cliven Bundy was arrested for owing under a million dollars to the government, but Al Sharpton is allowed to walk free despite owing $4.5M. So does anyone think that the black occupiers are going to get harsher sentences than the white ones?
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Feb 12, 2016 21:52
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Jagchosis posted:3% of federal cases ever reach trial and these people all filmed themselves committing the crimes of which they are accused. If they go to trial they are very very likely to be convicted and if convicted at trial they will get much harsher sentences than if they take a plea deal. On the other hand, these geniuses thought that dragging everything outside and pretending to camp would be enough to get the FBI to let them leave with no charges, so...
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Roland Jones posted:One of the people who was there has past arrests for planting homemade IEDs on federal property or something (someone posted about it a while back in the thread, anyone know who I'm referring to?), so, I think that taking the time to investigate and make sure no one's going to get blown up or something is worth it. I don't remember the guy's name, but I believe it was the guy who was arrested a few weeks ago for driving the government owned truck into town.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:02
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Has the topic of Preppers come up in this thread? I only bring it up because the talk of traps reminds me of a bit I caught of that crazy prepper show on Nat Geo. A crazy guy somewhere has block of wood blocks with nails in his yard and he has kids.(home schooled of course.)
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Feb 12, 2016 22:02
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Internet Webguy posted:On the other hand, these geniuses thought that dragging everything outside and pretending to camp would be enough to get the FBI to let them leave with no charges, so... I found that hysterical. And while they were setting up camp, Sean is screaming in Fry's video really nasty things, discussing possible defenses, etc, ect.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:03
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Is there a fund for restoring Malheur? I got plenty of entertainment out of this, and I feel like I should do something to help undo the damage these dipshits caused.
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Roland Jones posted:One of the people who was there has past arrests for planting homemade IEDs on federal property or something (someone posted about it a while back in the thread, anyone know who I'm referring to?), so, I think that taking the time to investigate and make sure no one's going to get blown up or something is worth it. It was Kenneth Medenback who was the guy arrested way back in January when he drove one of the stolen cars out into town to go to the supermarket. He had set up explosives twice before when he had occupied two previous plots of government land, with ammonium sulphate and a home made grenade. When he was taken to court for those instances he went full Sov Cit and claimed that the Government had no constitutional right to hold land, and when that went poorly for him he tried to file a civil suit to stop Federal judges from swearing an oath to the constitution because they weren't part of the constitution. This again did not go well for him.
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If the government has the constitutional right to hold land why didn't they do the smart thing and booby trap it all with mines and explosives? Makes you think...
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:
I appreciate the clarification, though I'm pretty sure we're all just operating under the assumption that everything these people do or say is a lie and they are frauds in every facet of their life and how they present themselves. I thought it was funny that somebody who fancied themselves a sniper would use irons and sit out in the open like that, pleased as a pig in slop to have people taking pictures of him. Wouldn't that better describe a marksman? That sounds pretty cool still, he didn't even have to lie to sound cool.
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