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Mel Mudkiper posted:now don't me wrong I still wanted Porkins to die It's really better that he couldn't be seen as a martyr. Also, the more people who hear all the screaming paranoid ranting from their last evening together, and identify it with the 'Patriot' movement, the better. Robo Reagan posted:is the bodycount still at 1 Flyball has issued a correction as of 20:06 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 20:02
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I couldn't keep up with this thread in real time and I am forever shamed for it but holy crap that was a wild ride.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:42
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skander posted:
maybe they plan to bring down the US by being a bunch of teases i want more redneck blood
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Feb 12, 2016 20:48
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So about an hour ago there was activity on Defend Your Base's youtube channel, liking this video: The Patriot Heritage of David Fry . I have no idea if David handed off his login to someone else or if it is him, but the video from End Times News Reports starts as a sloppy biography but concludes with this: quote:David’s bloodline includes a long line of patriots and warriors; standing for freedom is in his DNA. This heritage leaves him little choice but to fight for what is right. His name was chosen by his father as both a biblical and American heroic namesake.
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Feb 12, 2016 20:50
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When does Art Bell get to interview Fry-san from Folsom? He knew the truth!
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Feb 12, 2016 20:59
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slidebite posted:I can't imagine any booby traps would be expertly made by the honorary marine masterminds, maybe a bucket of water over a door frame and I doubt they could pull that off. Probably the 55 gallon drum of water-based lube set up as a fuel-air explosive. Some poor FBI agent will trigger it, the bursting charge will go off, and the inside of the refuge will be left looking like the set of a japanese porno shoot.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:07
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Cowman posted:Yea I was initially pissed as hell that they weren't raiding the compound on day one but as things went on and I saw just how crazy stupid these guys were I slowly started to realize what the FBI was doing and it was a good thing. I think the FBI really handled this well
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Feb 12, 2016 21:09
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Airborne Viking posted:Just caught up on the last 70 pages. As a dirty foreigner who consumes a lot of American media, I thought the crazy anti-government conspiracy theorist was mostly a caricature, and not really a large representation of the population. it's not a large proportion of the overall population, but it is a significant minority. but there are a lot of factors in american society that promote paranoid political thinking. we have an uneven and ineffective social safety net for the working class that we've been cutting and slashing away at for the last 35 years, so a lot of people go though long periods in their life with little access to good education, health care (especially for mental health), housing, and other tools for basic social security. another is that our country's founding myth is interpreted by some to be that we threw off an evil, oppressive government through violent revolution, and we must stand guard and be ready to do it again if the need arises (this attitude is related to americans' anti-authoritarian and populist tendencies). yet another is our electoral system (largely "first past the post"), which seems to reward building just a large enough coalition to win, and then using lots of insane rhetoric to both (a) rile up your coalition and get them all to turn up and vote, and (b) turn off moderate and independent voters from caring about the election because you're being so obnoxious. oh and don't forget all of the religious, ethnic, and racial conflicts in our relatively short history
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Feb 12, 2016 21:18
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Can someone find me the instance where lavoy was going to betray fry and where the bundy boys kicked him out of the truck? I can't find news stories referencing this and I would love to shut down some sovcits.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:32
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Young Freud posted:No doubt. The Bundys are so hosed that, even if they get a minimum sentence, they will have lost their whole livelihoods. I doubt whoever's left in the family will be able to keep the ranch running for the 4-6 years the bare minimum of charges they could get. I wonder if the fines for the damage done to the property will be solely on the Bundys' heads. Because if it is (and I can't wait to see that bill or the story of what that place must be like by now), they're well and truly hosed beyond imagining. Remember that all of these idiots at the beginning of this madness were also intimidating federal workers and harassing them as well. Knight posted:So about an hour ago there was activity on Defend Your Base's youtube channel, liking this video: The Patriot Heritage of David Fry . I have no idea if David handed off his login to someone else or if it is him, but the video from End Times News Reports starts as a sloppy biography but concludes with this: This is why I'm glad video of all of this madness exists, because all of these lunatics love to revise history as soon as they are able. You don't have to go far: remember Tarpman and how people who made up poo poo were confronted by the video and suddenly changed their story? Lutha Mahtin posted:it's not a large proportion of the overall population, but it is a significant minority. but there are a lot of factors in american society that promote paranoid political thinking. we have an uneven and ineffective social safety net for the working class that we've been cutting and slashing away at for the last 35 years, so a lot of people go though long periods in their life with little access to good education, health care (especially for mental health), housing, and other tools for basic social security. another is that our country's founding myth is interpreted by some to be that we threw off an evil, oppressive government through violent revolution, and we must stand guard and be ready to do it again if the need arises (this attitude is related to americans' anti-authoritarian and populist tendencies). yet another is our electoral system (largely "first past the post"), which seems to reward building just a large enough coalition to win, and then using lots of insane rhetoric to both (a) rile up your coalition and get them all to turn up and vote, and (b) turn off moderate and independent voters from caring about the election because you're being so obnoxious. oh and don't forget all of the religious, ethnic, and racial conflicts in our relatively short history Not to mention that the rural nature of these people is a big sign. A lot of the United States that is considered 'red' has incredibly low population density which makes alternative viewpoints nearly impossible to get. This doesn't mean that everybody in the red is a biblebeating lunatic jacking off to the end of the world, but it makes that sort of brainwashing much easier. And the trend in those areas is to forego public school systems and engage in charter/religious schools that further warp minds. So you have the perfect breeding ground for unchecked mental disease and delusions ending up in a federal bird refuge pretending to be hardcore yet still wanting to hit the Walmart. It's a strange, strange little world these losers live in, and having the Internet hasn't broadened them as much as it's connected them to more lunatics who need to keep reinforcing their viewpoints. And when I mean the middle of nowhere, I mean there's literally fields and maybe an occasional bit of retail space, and roads. Who knows how many David Frys are out there, but you can be sure that there's more than you would think, and they're all living in some bizarre mix of quiet desperation and culturally-induced schizophrenia.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:40
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" to " 
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Feb 12, 2016 21:45
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:Not to mention that the rural nature of these people is a big sign. A lot of the United States that is considered 'red' has incredibly low population density which makes alternative viewpoints nearly impossible to get. This doesn't mean that everybody in the red is a biblebeating lunatic jacking off to the end of the world, but it makes that sort of brainwashing much easier. And the trend in those areas is to forego public school systems and engage in charter/religious schools that further warp minds. So you have the perfect breeding ground for unchecked mental disease and delusions ending up in a federal bird refuge pretending to be hardcore yet still wanting to hit the Walmart. It's a strange, strange little world these losers live in, and having the Internet hasn't broadened them as much as it's connected them to more lunatics who need to keep reinforcing their viewpoints. i grew up in the country and this is not what it's like at all lol e: honestly you've gone to the point here where you've become the urban version of paranoid rural people. you see their world as this bizarre wasteland where "losers" are "brainwashed" lol Lutha Mahtin has issued a correction as of 21:49 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 21:46
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Unbootable posted:Can someone find me the instance where lavoy was going to betray fry and where the bundy boys kicked him out of the truck? I can't find news stories referencing this and I would love to shut down some sovcits.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:47
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Soylent Yellow posted:Probably the 55 gallon drum of water-based lube set up as a fuel-air explosive. Some poor FBI agent will trigger it, the bursting charge will go off, and the inside of the refuge will be left looking like the set of a japanese porno shoot. It would probably go off like the MacGruber "you're all wet" scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqmwmrSalDI
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Feb 12, 2016 21:59
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Knight posted:The story originates from a Facebook post by the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom archived here and referenced in a real article here which also details more about his relationship with LaVoy. Haha poor David. He's not accepted at home, school, or the manly man ranch. 
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Feb 12, 2016 22:04
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i grew up in the country and this is not what it's like at all lol yeah I was pleasantly surprised at the discourse amongst the residents when i watched the town hall meetings
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Feb 12, 2016 22:04
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Knight posted:The story originates from a Facebook post by the Citizens for Constitutional Freedom archived here and referenced in a real article here which also details more about his relationship with LaVoy. Thanks. I unfortunately just got banned from the group for suggesting that David may be a fool for accepting a cell phone from the FBI.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:08
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Anyone know of a good write up of the history up to this point? I have weak grasp on all of it.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:11
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i grew up in the country and this is not what it's like at all lol It is a pretty ridiculous version of what rural America is like. Down south there's tons of the religious indoctrination, but rural farm life is mostly sprawling farms surrounding a town of 2-10,000 people. Here in NY it takes the form of cattle, corn and apple orchards around those small towns, with the awesome benefit of being near the Hudson and the chain of moderate to huge cities within driving distance. So we got the awesome culture and economic pluses, and the crime and social decay negatives. No militias here but tons of either gang affiliated youth and/or white power types. Best was in the 90's and you saw a white kid in a Carhartt jacket and Tims you had no idea where the gently caress he was from. People who live in rural, rural America don't give a gently caress one way or the other.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:12
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I think crazy militia types live in the sticks out of a desire for privacy that is impossible to attain in the city.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:17
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The Ape of Naples posted:Anyone know of a good write up of the history up to this point? I have weak grasp on all of it. From the D&D thread chitoryu12 posted:All right here's my entire article in a Google Doc. Let me know if you see any mistakes or think I missed anything important!
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Feb 12, 2016 22:19
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mods lied tarp man died eat fresh
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Feb 12, 2016 22:19
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univbee posted:From the D&D thread Thank you.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:26
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The Ape of Naples posted:Anyone know of a good write up of the history up to this point? I have weak grasp on all of it. There's a pretty accurate summary in the OP, read that.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:27
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VikingSkull posted:White power ? 
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Feb 12, 2016 22:32
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cumshitter posted:There's a pretty accurate summary in the OP, read that. Didn't even think to look there. Tom Hanks.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:32
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Don't forget, all this is just an appetizer for the upcoming 3ring circus that will be their days in court.
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Feb 12, 2016 23:01
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tardwrangler posted:Don't forget, all this is just an appetizer for the upcoming 3ring circus that will be their
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Feb 12, 2016 23:03
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tardwrangler posted:Don't forget, all this is just an appetizer for the upcoming 3ring circus that will be their days in court. i'm assuming we'll get pics of what they did to the refuge pretty soon
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Feb 12, 2016 23:26
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Oh man that trial is gonna be a shitshow. Let us all take shots every time gold fringed flags get mentioned. We'll need our stomachs pumped
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Feb 12, 2016 23:33
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Alan Smithee posted:Oh man that trial is gonna be a shitshow. Let us all take shots every time gold fringed flags get mentioned. We'll need our stomachs pumped ammon is the only one with a lawyer. the rest took public defenders and will all take a plea bargain and there will be no trials. ammon will probably follow suit anyway because that's how federal court works. in reality the obstructing a federal agent for 6 years thing is just what they're going to be asked to plead guilty to. if they go to court it's going to be a shitshow of weapons charges, etc. that they will never defeat in court and will result in many more years behind bars than if they just take the deal. the way federal prosecutors force 95% (that's the real number) of defendants to forego their right to trial is one of the few things everyone in america should be down with being outraged about because it's really bad. you should be outraged about it in this case not because of the injustice but because these idiot hicks will probably all get off with a few years in prison when they've actually earned a few decades the only one stupid enough to force the government to take him to court is freedom fry and he's well on his way down the road to being declared incompetent to stand trial and institutionalized poverty goat has issued a correction as of 23:47 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 23:38
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Hold out hope for Ammon. He defied the prosecutor by reversing his earlier statements telling the occupiers to stand down. He's also a full SovCit, and there's video out there of him lecturing an FBI negotiator on how he has no jurisdiction without the sheriff's permission. Fingers crossed, don't give up hope that Ammon won't take this to trial. I imagine Cliven is also likely given that he'll likely die in prison at his age.
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Feb 13, 2016 00:31
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VikingSkull posted:the reason the Feds get 95% of people to plea is the Feds don't go after you unless they know they can convict So you're deferring the duties of a judge and jury to the prosecutor?  america is full of prosecutors and district attorneys and poo poo who just want to bury people extra deep to springboard themselves on to their political/consulting careers
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Feb 13, 2016 00:34
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The Goatfather posted:So you're deferring the duties of a judge and jury to the prosecutor? no one forces people to take the deal most people take the deal because they are hosed also I was calling for airstrikes in this thread earlier so I'm probably not the best person to debate this with, but I generally have zero sympathy for people who get Federal charges most of the time* *caveat being the entire system is hosed from top to bottom, but I have way bigger issues with for-profit and local jails
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Feb 13, 2016 00:37
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Lutha Mahtin posted:honestly you've gone to the point here where you've become the urban version of paranoid rural people. you see their world as this bizarre wasteland where "losers" are "brainwashed" lol I would love to say otherwise, but the tea party pretty much supports his claim. When I get into any rural area you start to see signs that say to Nuke Iraq, Bush signs that say "Miss me yet?" and people wishing roads were all gravel so the loving liberal bike riders would stay in their cities.
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I'm in CaliFAGnia where it's s weird hybrid. Once you leave a city like Los an ageless even suburban white places in Orange County are pockets of republicans though it's often times because you're the remaining white holdouts Ina sea of Mexicans. A lot of times they are probably fairly moderate or even Rinos by tea party standards but identity politics are increasingly weird when you see your race getting pushed out of the neighborhood you grew up in
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Philthy posted:I would love to say otherwise, but the tea party pretty much supports his claim. When I get into any rural area you start to see signs that say to Nuke Iraq, Bush signs that say "Miss me yet?" and people wishing roads were all gravel so the loving liberal bike riders would stay in their cities. this is really just the noisy minority. most country folk are chill and humble and respectful even to strangers who might be liberals where if you go into NYC or something everyone will treat you like poo poo no matter who you are VikingSkull posted:no one forces people to take the deal a lot of people take the deal because they can't afford a lawyer for tens or hundreds of dollars for a drawn out federal legal battle and the public defender will do anything to make them take the deal because he has an impossible workload without even having to do his job poverty goat has issued a correction as of 00:56 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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