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TwoPair posted:Make Marvel Great Again When I'm President, I will build a time wall and make the future pay for it.
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Just read this week's All-New X-Men and I just want to echo how much Laura/Warren just doesn't work, or at least Hopeless doesn't make it work. It feels like the entirety of their relationship is "Laura is reckless, Warren has mixed feelings of concern and inadequacy". I can't tell if this week's issue was setting up them breaking up or reconciling and deciding why they're together but we're already pretty sold on their relationship being strained/not working great. Also saying "BRB" really? That's not how the youths talk Hopeless.
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Feb 12, 2016 06:14
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DrProsek posted:Also saying "BRB" really? That's not how the youths talk Hopeless. I love adults trying to write young people as much as anyone, but as a yoot myself, actually, that particular example is correct. Unless it was one of the O5 who said it, who are supposed to predate bottled water(which until reading an early All New X-Men issue, I didn't think was nearly that new).
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Feb 12, 2016 06:19
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Bendis did a lot of gags with the original x-men that doesn't really work with how old Marvel insists the X-men actually are. They'd be from 1999 at the latest. But Bendis sorta wrote them like they were from the 80s or earlier.
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Feb 12, 2016 07:11
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WickedHate posted:I love adults trying to write young people as much as anyone, but as a yoot myself, actually, that particular example is correct. Unless it was one of the O5 who said it, who are supposed to predate bottled water(which until reading an early All New X-Men issue, I didn't think was nearly that new). It was the clone lady who is like somewhere between 16 and 25 years old depending on the artist/series. It just seems really weird for the lady who until recently talked like a robot is suddenly throwing around "BRB"s. It feels like something that could work if Hopeless was going for "now that she's not talking like a robot, she now talks awkwardly in the other direction, she's like an old lady trying to use the hip slangs of the youths" but if that's the case I still think he could be doing that a lot better.
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Feb 12, 2016 07:46
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Nobody remembers or cares that she used to talk like a robot (which is weird since Hopeless wrote the last book in which she did). Pre-Bendis X-23 appearances might as well not have been canon anymore. That's the drum me and Yvonmukluk have been banging for the last year or so.
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Feb 12, 2016 07:48
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Codependent Poster posted:Laura and young Scott for life. As fun as that could be, I'd rather she wolverined around, making an endless series of romantic decisions that end disastrously. Old Man Logan should definitely adopt Tiny Cyclops as his son, though. fake edit: Although if there's a young clone of/de-aged/time-hole refugee Sabretooth, she can date him.
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Feb 12, 2016 07:59
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Laura should get a different preteen boy sidekick every new writer.
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Feb 12, 2016 08:10
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WickedHate posted:Laura should get a different preteen boy sidekick every new writer. If he was still around a Laura and Franklin team-up could be fun, especially since she used to be his baby-sitter.
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Feb 12, 2016 09:20
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Blockhouse posted:Nobody remembers or cares that she used to talk like a robot (which is weird since Hopeless wrote the last book in which she did). Pre-Bendis X-23 appearances might as well not have been canon anymore. That's the drum me and Yvonmukluk have been banging for the last year or so. Squizzle posted:As fun as that could be, I'd rather she wolverined around, making an endless series of romantic decisions that end disastrously. Old Man Logan should definitely adopt Tiny Cyclops as his son, though. 
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Feb 12, 2016 09:52
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Elixir's death has an escape clause a mile wide if some writer gets a wild hair about writing him into a story.
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Feb 12, 2016 09:58
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Y''know, while we're talking about Elixir, I always thought a good solution for healing mutants being way too overpowered and story-destroying would be giving a hard limit on what they can do. My personal solution would be to have a mutant who's healing power only "rewinds" the body and he can only go like, a couple minutes back. So he can't help you if you got shot half an hour ago.
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Feb 12, 2016 10:18
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Lurdiak posted:Y''know, while we're talking about Elixir, I always thought a good solution for healing mutants being way too overpowered and story-destroying would be giving a hard limit on what they can do. My personal solution would be to have a mutant who's healing power only "rewinds" the body and he can only go like, a couple minutes back. So he can't help you if you got shot half an hour ago. I reject this premise because I want to see Elixir do this.
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Feb 12, 2016 10:26
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All I'm saying is it'd help us avoid things like that time elixir had black death globs floating around in his skin that made his powers too risky to use.
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Feb 12, 2016 10:53
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/extraordinary-x-men-7-marvel-comics-2016 how is this book so loving bad?! MY WIND CAN'T EFFECT THE PEOPLE I KNOW AREN'T REAL JEAN!!!
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Feb 12, 2016 12:51
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When reviewers were going gaga over Sweet Tooth, I got a trade and found it mediocre. It tried really hard to make me feel things that didn't work due to how the characters didn't feel like real people. I found his work as a writer overrated back then, but that was a minority opinion about an indie book so whatever, maybe it just wasn't for me. But then he started getting non-indie gigs and of those I read it was rather bad, not even mediocre anymore. Of the new wave of X writers he's definitively the worst one.
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Feb 12, 2016 14:51
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Saoshyant posted:When reviewers were going gaga over Sweet Tooth, I got a trade and found it mediocre. It tried really hard to make me feel things that didn't work due to how the characters didn't feel like real people. I found his work as a writer overrated back then, but that was a minority opinion about an indie book so whatever, maybe it just wasn't for me. But then he started getting non-indie gigs and of those I read it was rather bad, not even mediocre anymore. Of the new wave of X writers he's definitively the worst one. Old Man Logan has been one of the best X-titles
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Feb 12, 2016 15:04
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bobkatt013 posted:Old Man Logan has been one of the best X-titles Well, I'm not feeling that one either, though I'll grant it's much better than Extraordinary. What is it that makes you say that, though?
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Feb 12, 2016 15:30
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well, it seems they are at least acknowledging some of it in ANW in flashbacks. That's better than nothing. I could honestly say I could see Laura have developed to this point if she'd be around people her own age who she socialised with regularly - so bascially if there was no Arena/Undercover & she'd just mostly hung out with her Academy buddies between the end of that series & the start of this one. She was kind of on that kind of trajectory from the end of the Liu run & Avengers Academy anyway. Remember, there's a 16-month gap we haven't seen anything from. She could have been having easy fun with pals on that time. e: Or having a time-travel adventure that let her spend longer socializing. Or getting a socialization upload from a telepath. Or experiencing a time-compressed alternate reality that only she remembers. Or touring with X-Farce, Cable's improv comedy group. Or discovering that her healing powers can also heal her emotional trauma. Or Squizzle fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 15:44
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Lurdiak posted:Bendis did a lot of gags with the original x-men that doesn't really work with how old Marvel insists the X-men actually are. They'd be from 1999 at the latest. But Bendis sorta wrote them like they were from the 80s or earlier. So, Bendis wrote them to be as old as he is because anything else would be too difficult?
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Feb 12, 2016 16:05
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HIJK posted:So, Bendis wrote them to be as old as he is because anything else would be too difficult? Nah, it was a stylistic choice. Since the point going in was "How would your child-self review your adult-self?", using the actual age gap (like age 15 to age...27?) without modification would be silly—(edit: a great many) real people are still pretty driftless, inexperienced, and idealistic at 27, and actual 15-year-olds, while children, can pretty solidly know the score. Also, 2001, or whatever it would've been, just plain doesn't read as long ago. So casting the young X-men as being from Sufficiently Far Back let Bendis put into high relief all of the character bits he wanted to work with for the run. Bendis Was Right. Squizzle fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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Feb 12, 2016 16:18
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I read Uncanny and associated books pretty much nonstop from 1980 until the Chuck Austen stuff, when I just had to bow out. I recently checked back in with these relaunches and the entire concept of having young and old versions of the same characters existing at the same time is just the actual dumbest thing I've ever seen done with a fictional franchise. It's so terrible and it doesn't work on so many levels. I feel like I'm reading someone's awful fanfic. Is this something that's scheduled to go back to normal any time soon?
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Feb 12, 2016 20:16
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that is not even in the top five things wrong with the x-books right now dog also really none of those characters exist at the same time since scott and jean are super dead and beast, iceman, and angel don't appear in the same books as their counterparts
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Feb 12, 2016 21:22
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It's really bad.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:34
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I'm not so sure that Marvel knows what to do with the X-Men. Which seems ridiculous but there you are.
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Feb 12, 2016 21:59
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I think EXM is the only book that I feel has no idea what it's doing which sucks because it feels like it's supposed to be the big flagship team book. I think UXM might somehow steal that title if it can just ditch Land as the artist. AXM could pick up if it stops being about Wolverine and Angel being bad together (and either breaks them up or gives us reasons to care about them together).
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Feb 12, 2016 22:04
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HIJK posted:I'm not so sure that Marvel knows what to do with the X-Men. Which seems ridiculous but there you are. Historically, they've never known what to do with them.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:29
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HIJK posted:I'm not so sure that Marvel knows what to do with the X-Men. Which seems ridiculous but there you are. The fact Perlmutter would rather burn the X-Men line to the ground to spite Fox can't be helping.
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Feb 12, 2016 22:32
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One of the big problems with Marvel post-Quesada is the way that any given status quo tends to expire after a few years at most, with a couple of outliers (original-flavor Jean notwithstanding). This rapid shuffle has arguably done more damage to the X-Men than any other corner of the universe, and there is a certain aimlessness to their modern stories that I don't think is there on purpose.
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Feb 13, 2016 00:30
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Though for some reason the extinction angle that has lasted a loving decade and sucks.
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Feb 13, 2016 05:44
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I can't remember which podcast I heard it on but someone was talking about how you can tell how old the writers are based on what's that current status quo for characters. If Jean is alive, you probably have people who grew up with 90s X-men, if she's dead, 80's. Same with who's front and center. Though I think executive mandates from on high may meddle with this.
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Feb 13, 2016 07:13
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Wanderer posted:This rapid shuffle has arguably done more damage to the X-Men than any other corner of the universe, and there is a certain aimlessness to their modern stories that I don't think is there on purpose. People may poo poo on Claremont for his various quirks, but it's entirely due to him being the consistent driving force behind the X-men for ~20 years that the X-men became the Marvel poster children that they did.
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Feb 13, 2016 08:03
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Nipponophile posted:People may poo poo on Claremont for his various quirks, but it's entirely due to him being the consistent driving force behind the X-men for ~20 years that the X-men became the Marvel poster children that they did. His run on Uncanny is probably the second most important run in comics after Lee/Kirby's run on F4.
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Feb 13, 2016 08:49
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I would love for the X-Men comics to be more like Claremont. I suppose that's why I think All-New is the best group book. But I miss them just hanging out and talking and building relationships and having a baseball game every once in a while.
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Feb 13, 2016 08:51
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Skwirl posted:His run on Uncanny is probably the second most important run in comics after Lee/Kirby's run on F4. I think Binder's Superman run is more important to superhero comics than Claremont's X-men, for, if not creating, then certainly cementing the style that people think of when they think of mid-century DC. Since that DC style had such tremendous influence on how we as a culture thought of superheroes for decades and decades, that's a big deal. But that's quibbling on details, when you're right on the essential point that everything after Claremont, is affected by Claremont. Also, glad to see the thread return to my favorite X-men chat topics: Superman and the Fantastic Four.
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Feb 13, 2016 09:21
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As much as Marvel hates the X-Men it's nice they advertised Extraordinary X-Men along with International Iron Man in the latest issue of Darth Vader.
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Feb 13, 2016 09:28
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Die Laughing posted:As much as Marvel hates the X-Men it's nice they advertised Extraordinary X-Men along with International Iron Man in the latest issue of Darth Vader. If they hate them they wouldn't make up 10 % of their line-up (not counting Deadpool). It's not like X-Men is still the sales juggernaught it once was (50k is the highest selling one), impossible to ignore or stop making. They just aren't the focus they used to be, because of the "can only profit in a small part from X-stuff" and because people seem to have tired of them somewhat, turning to the Avengers instead. Even before all the movie contract fuckups that was already happening.
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Feb 13, 2016 11:08
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Well it also hurts then that X-men haven't been good for 2 decades.
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Feb 13, 2016 11:17
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well it also hurts then that X-men haven't been good for 2 decades. Yeah, I miss those good ol' 1996 X-Men comics. Onslaught was so cool!
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He beat up the juggernaut what more do you want
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