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AzureSkys posted:That office view has to be very validating at times! It is in a way, but that validation doesn't put food on the table or get me home in my bed every night.
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Home in your bed every night is something we all knew we were giving up on, but the money is the problem. The regional industry is obsolete and needs to implode. I can't wait to get started with Atlas so I can finally do adult things, like buy property, and save for retirement.
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Have any of you read Squawk 7700? I'm about 30 pages into it and hearing his story has been sort of interesting so far.
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Feb 3, 2016 23:59
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Animal posted:Home in your bed every night is something we all knew we were giving up on, but the money is the problem. The regional industry is obsolete and needs to implode. Can I ask how old you are?
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MikeCrotch posted:Is the pilot/pay shortage a uniquely American regional thing, or is everyone all over the world being hit with the same problems? The pilot shortage is most noticeable in America, since we have a ton of low-paying regional jobs to fill, and there's a "perfect storm" combination of mandatory retirements combining with much more experience being required before someone can work at an airline. In the past, the last few "pilot shortages" have been cut short due to terrorist attacks or Wall St. wrecking the economy enough to depress the demand for airline flying (and pilots), and regionals always had the option of just lowering their experience requirements to get more people, which they're now prevented from doing, which is why regionals are now crying about "unfair regulation" and demanding Congress fix the mess the airlines got themselves into.
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The hour minimums make sense except for rinky dink EAS regionals like lakesair that don't pretend to be anything other than poo poo. Why someone needs 1500 hours to sit right seat in an overgrown King Air is beyond me.
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e.pilot posted:The hour minimums make sense except for rinky dink EAS regionals like lakesair that don't pretend to be anything other than poo poo. Why someone needs 1500 hours to sit right seat in an overgrown King Air is beyond me. This is a good point, and I suggested somewhere using them as a stepping stone to build turboprop/multi/multi-pilot time for a short period only to be laughed at. Admittedly, I know nothing about the primarily EAS operators like Boutique Air, SeaPort, Air Choice One, etc. (I've heard Great Lakes sucks), but it doesn't make sense to require someone to have 1500 to fly a Pilatus/Caravan/Cessna 402 (Cape Air)/Beech 1900 when people will otherwise be looking at a CRJ/E145/Dash 8/E175 with the same amount of time.
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Feb 4, 2016 16:13
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e.pilot posted:The hour minimums make sense except for rinky dink EAS regionals like lakesair that don't pretend to be anything other than poo poo. Why someone needs 1500 hours to sit right seat in an overgrown King Air is beyond me. Great Lakes has a 9 seat configuration to get around just this regulation! edit: Just look at this desperation quote:Great Lakes Airlines is excited to introduce the new Pilot Retention Cash Incentive Plan which is now available to our Pilot group! This program pays a quarterly incentive for eligible participants. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:This is a good point, and I suggested somewhere using them as a stepping stone to build turboprop/multi/multi-pilot time for a short period only to be laughed at. Admittedly, I know nothing about the primarily EAS operators like Boutique Air, SeaPort, Air Choice One, etc. (I've heard Great Lakes sucks), but it doesn't make sense to require someone to have 1500 to fly a Pilatus/Caravan/Cessna 402 (Cape Air)/Beech 1900 when people will otherwise be looking at a CRJ/E145/Dash 8/E175 with the same amount of time. Because Captain Sully™ said the airlines should only hire the most exquisitely experienced pilots. Ignoring the fact that the whole reason we are dealing with the 1500 hour rule is because of the Colgan crash, where both pilots would have qualified for their exact jobs regardless of the 1500 hour rule, as they were both multi thousand hour pilots. The absurdity of it all would be comical if it weren't so depressing.
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Speaking of him, here's the article teased in the story I posted previously which pointed out the industry has just enough pilots at the regionals now to cover mainline retirements: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...d6f&h=wAQFTVoZU TL;DR, she criticizes: -Colgan families, in their dire push for change whilst having no idea what they're talking about, for running interference on actual safety initiatives which could've resulted from 3407. -The head of the Colgan group for not even reading JetBlue's ab initio program or the proposed Reauthorization Bill because he figured they'd run counter to his group's goal. -The government for capitalizing on outrage culture and looking for sexy headlines instead of doing "the right thing". -Both groups for being retards hoping for a quick fix, fearmongering to push policy. -Schumer and the families for media whoring just in time for Congress to discuss it. She also suggests the Law and resulting pilot shortage is an economic tool put together by the government and unions to force flying back to mainline. e- Text of the Reauthorization Bill- https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4441/text#toc-HF96C64E1558A4C53BC4208A59F36DA85 A big part of it appears to be the transfer of ATC services to a non-profit. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Feb 5, 2016 |
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I start Boeing 767 with Atlas on February 29.... just as they started a nasty war between management and pilots over their CBA, when they just bought Southern Air. Atlas pilots want improvements, but now management wants a contract halfway between Atlas and Southern, which would mean BIG concessions for Atlas pilots. So it looks like I am moving from one embattled pilot group into another. War. War never changes.
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Feb 10, 2016 00:49
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Animal posted:I start Boeing 767 with Atlas on February 29.... just as they started a nasty war between management and pilots over their CBA, when they just bought Southern Air. Atlas pilots want improvements, but now management wants a contract halfway between Atlas and Southern, which would mean BIG concessions for Atlas pilots. So it looks like I am moving from one embattled pilot group into another. ATC tries to kill Atlas anyhow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zBdtNVa8N0
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Feb 10, 2016 03:33
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Can AWSEFT update the OP with my recent CFIIness?
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Feb 10, 2016 03:40
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Animal posted:I start Boeing 767 with Atlas on February 29.... just as they started a nasty war between management and pilots over their CBA, when they just bought Southern Air. Atlas pilots want improvements, but now management wants a contract halfway between Atlas and Southern, which would mean BIG concessions for Atlas pilots. So it looks like I am moving from one embattled pilot group into another. I don't see any way they get that in this environment unless your pilot group is a bunch of apes. The biggest risk for atlas right mow is management overplaying their hand and making attrition worse than it already is
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Animal posted:I start Boeing 767 with Atlas on February 29.... just as they started a nasty war between management and pilots over their CBA, when they just bought Southern Air. Atlas pilots want improvements, but now management wants a contract halfway between Atlas and Southern, which would mean BIG concessions for Atlas pilots. So it looks like I am moving from one embattled pilot group into another. If you're ever stopped over at BWI let's consume alcohol
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Feb 10, 2016 14:51
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I'm always up for comsuption of artisanal fermented barley and hops
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Feb 10, 2016 16:36
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Bought a round of shots for the crew. "Bartender's choice". Bartender serves patron at $11 a shot. Whoops, rookie mistake. This is the kind of thing that should be in 121 training 
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The Slaughter posted:Bought a round of shots for the crew. "Bartender's choice". Bartender serves patron at $11 a shot. Whoops, rookie mistake. This is the kind of thing that should be in 121 training Yeah, when you do this you need to surreptitiously point at the well.
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Animal posted:I start Boeing 767 with Atlas on February 29.... just as they started a nasty war between management and pilots over their CBA, when they just bought Southern Air. Atlas pilots want improvements, but now management wants a contract halfway between Atlas and Southern, which would mean BIG concessions for Atlas pilots. So it looks like I am moving from one embattled pilot group into another. First, welcome to Atlas! I don't necessarily buy all of the gloom and doom the union is selling us over the negotiations but the Polar/Atlas merger was a shitshow so who knows! Luckily there isn't a whole lot of anger yet and the schoolhouse is pretty well insulated to a lot of the rhetoric anyway. Wear your Union lanyard though. You're a teamster on day one so it's time to act like a dues paying member. I've been home for about 3 weeks and still waiting for OE. I probably have another 3-4 weeks to go and I think the 767 hays have similar waits. It should be real fun trying to remember all that stuff I learned after 2 months of sitting around.
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The Slaughter posted:Bought a round of shots for the crew. "Bartender's choice". Bartender serves patron at $11 a shot. Whoops, rookie mistake. This is the kind of thing that should be in 121 training $121 training 
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Rolo posted:$121 training Haha thankfully not that bad but my check was like $85. And I made about $200 flying that day. Woops.
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The Slaughter posted:Haha thankfully not that bad but my check was like $85. And I made about $200 flying that day. Woops. If you're buying a round for the crew I assume you're a captain. In that case there's something very wrong if you're only making $200 a day.
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As a regional FO I would only buy rounds for first year flight attendants. Captains can buy their own loving liquor!
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Rolo posted:$121 training Only if it's Bacardi 121.
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Animal posted:As a regional FO I would only buy rounds for first year flight attendants. Captains can buy their own loving liquor! Yo lots of captains better be buying as a reward for putting up with their bullshit all day.
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Two Kings posted:If you're buying a round for the crew I assume you're a captain. In that case there's something very wrong if you're only making $200 a day. I'm not, but the CA is one of my besties and I was trying to be nice and the FAs don't make poo poo.
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I have a friend who as a regional captain claimed he'd make first officers buy the first round as punishment if they didn't meet certain parameters (i.e. "If that DME number goes higher than 5 (on an approach) you're buying.") He also told interesting, possibly exaggerated, stories about layovers on his last month with the company.
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Some ridiculous stuff goes on during layovers. We've been kicked out of more than one nice hotel, I guess. I don't usually buy a round, it was just a great crew and my buddy, so. In other news, I'm going to take over the next megathread since awseft is pretty busy. Looking for title suggestions.
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Feb 13, 2016 00:47
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ATC privatization bill has passed the house, this isn't looking too good.
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e.pilot posted:ATC privatization bill has passed the house, this isn't looking too good. It's passed committee in the house, which is entirely different than being passed by the House of Representatives.
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Aviation Megathread: Professionally Poor Forever Aviation Megathread: Student Loan Swandive Aviation Megathread: Practicing Income Stalls Aviation Megathread: Office With a View, of Poverty Aviation Megathread: Living the Dream HAhaha... gently caress.
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Rolo posted:Aviation Megathread: Professionally Poor Forever I don't think we can have six thread titles. Can we?
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Practicing income stalls is pretty fantastic. So is the office view of poverty. You delivered...
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I was in the middle of going through my student loan statements and positive thread titles are no fun 
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Aviation Megathread: Professional Vagrancy
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No poo poo. I am gonna have to put the training center in Miami as my new address because I am driving down there with all my poo poo
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Animal posted:No poo poo. I am gonna have to put the training center in Miami as my new address because I am driving down there with all my poo poo When you get down here, hit me up. Where I work is almost certainly within two or three miles of where you'll be, and if you're interested, I can set up a tour for you and your duders.
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I would totally love that. I'll let you know!
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Rolo posted:Aviation Megathread: Professionally Poor Forever Not bad, my proposals: Aviation Megathread: Air Traffic Control Services brought to you by LockMart© Aviation Megathread: Catfights at 37,000 feet If you don't know what the last title refers to, the AV Herald has a good summary about a particular Delta "incident".
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