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The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Ultragonk posted:

What are people's views on Ultimate Fantastic Four? I'm not enjoying it as much as Spider-Man, Ultimates or X-Men but I'm not far into it I'm wondering if it picks up at all.

I say keep going.
The arc changes writers a few times and each writer brings a different flavour.
While I didn't really like Warren Ellis ' s work, I loved Millar and Mike Carey ' s arcs.

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Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


I really liked it. When Millar comes back he writes a pretty cool story that is unfortunately "drawn" by Land, but then Carey comes in writes some insane but very cool stuff.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Like I said something about Fantastic Four brings out the tolerability in Mark Millar. It's almost as if he has some kind of special reverence for the book because he doesn't bring his usual pessimistic immature style to it like he does to other books and instead just kind of writes a decent if not spectacular Fantastic Four book.

Mike Carey's stuff on UFF is one of the high points of the entire Ultimate line to me though. I love his stuff there.

hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006
I've eaten dog in three countries and I would say it's an important food in none of them whatsoever and certainly not stereotype over it.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


X-O posted:

Like I said something about Fantastic Four brings out the tolerability in Mark Millar. It's almost as if he has some kind of special reverence for the book because he doesn't bring his usual pessimistic immature style to it like he does to other books and instead just kind of writes a decent if not spectacular Fantastic Four book.

Mike Carey's stuff on UFF is one of the high points of the entire Ultimate line to me though. I love his stuff there.

That's true about Millar. Marvel was going to make his run with Hitch into a mini series, but the team insisted it be part of the regularly numbered series. Jim Lee and Jeph Loeb had the same situation with Hush.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

X-O posted:

Like I said something about Fantastic Four brings out the tolerability in Mark Millar. It's almost as if he has some kind of special reverence for the book because he doesn't bring his usual pessimistic immature style to it like he does to other books and instead just kind of writes a decent if not spectacular Fantastic Four book.

Mike Carey's stuff on UFF is one of the high points of the entire Ultimate line to me though. I love his stuff there.

Speaking of, has anyone read Huck? It's supposed to be Millar at his most optimistic.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
My friend lent a few issues to me, but I haven't read them, yet. He liked them. Jupiter's Legacy / Circle hasn't been too bad and Starlight was downright charming.

He seems to do good work when he's not trying to be edgy and crass.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Mike Carey's UFF is marred by absolutely horrible artwork. Worse than Land.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Rhyno posted:

Mike Carey's UFF is marred by absolutely horrible artwork. Worse than Land.

Motherfucker if you are talking about Pasqual Ferry, we are going to have a civil disagreement on a subjective matter right here, right now. :nono:

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer

Squizzle posted:

Motherfucker if you are talking about Pasqual Ferry, we are going to have a civil disagreement on a subjective matter right here, right now. :nono:

Dude needs to decide what his first name actually is.
http://comicbookdb.com/creator.php?ID=604

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Squizzle posted:

Motherfucker if you are talking about Pasqual Ferry, we are going to have a civil disagreement on a subjective matter right here, right now. :nono:

Hey, is this BSS or is this some other lovely subforum? Here we settle all disagreements through wrasslin. :clint:

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Rhyno posted:

Worse than Land.

Let's not get crazy here, man

Inkspot
Dec 3, 2013

I believe I have
an appointment.
Mr. Goongala?

Squizzle posted:

Motherfucker if you are talking about Pasqual Ferry, we are going to have a civil disagreement on a subjective matter right here, right now. :nono:

It wasn't so much the art but the inking/colors that turned everything the same muddy green.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Squizzle posted:

Motherfucker if you are talking about Pasqual Ferry, we are going to have a civil disagreement on a subjective matter right here, right now. :nono:

Tyler Kirkham brosepf.

Zachack
Jun 1, 2000




Opopanax posted:

Let's not get crazy here, man

No, I agree. Land has his huge problems with characters but his backgrounds, etc looked decent-ish and even the characters generally look passable when they aren't looking at the camera. The back end of F4 was just bad on art. Amateur-hour is how I'd describe it and that would be very kind.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


All I remember from Land on Ultimate FF was the crossover teaser image with the two Reeds, and the zombie reveal page. Probably his two best pieces of work.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


zoux posted:

Speaking of, has anyone read Huck? It's supposed to be Millar at his most optimistic.

Good stuff so far (3 issues), the optimistic tone has yet to be derailed by any crass villainy or gore. It's like altruism porn.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


The Question IRL posted:

I say keep going.
The arc changes writers a few times and each writer brings a different flavour.
While I didn't really like Warren Ellis ' s work, I loved Millar and Mike Carey ' s arcs.

It has gotten better I liked the N Space story so I hope it keeps going form there.

Also Ultimate X-Men seems like a bunch of people who are either acting like arseholes or constantly making bad decisions. Which is probably like their 616 counterparts. I love the fact that Wolverine leaves the X-Men and goes off in a huff everytime someone calls him an animal instead of saying "gently caress you, you try having your memory wiped and turned into a killing machine who's blood lust can never be satiated, I'm really trying here!" or Rogue just goes off with Gambit for no real reason or Jean mind swaps Wolverine and Spider-Man which must be the biggest abuse of her power ever. Cyclops and colossus seem like the best ones there, Cyclops forgave a dude who tried to straight up murder him.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Ultimate Jean is really the most different from 616. 616 Jean (at least before the time travel stuff in the current books) was basically a saint with some Phoenix related PTSD. Ultimate Jean is a terrible, terrible person.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
My main issue with Ultimate X-Men is that they are all arseholes. Not even in the "we are teenagers now so we are moody" kind of arseholes, but just straight up hate each other kind of arseholes. THat being said, the first three story arcs are fun enough even though the characters are jerks.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Madkal posted:

My main issue with Ultimate X-Men is that they are all arseholes. Not even in the "we are teenagers now so we are moody" kind of arseholes, but just straight up hate each other kind of arseholes. THat being said, the first three story arcs are fun enough even though the characters are jerks.

Mark Millar syndrome. It worked well in The Ultimates for the same reason it worked well in The Authority, but for X-Men it's a bit of a weird fit.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Gaz-L posted:

Ultimate Jean is really the most different from 616. 616 Jean (at least before the time travel stuff in the current books) was basically a saint with some Phoenix related PTSD. Ultimate Jean is a terrible, terrible person.

And then we have O5 Jean who is also a terrible person.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


I just finished Ultimate Nightmare and really enjoyed it, it had a good horror vibe to it. I also though Ultimate War was great, these crossovers have been good stuff so far and I hope they stay that way. I know Ultimatum will be the drizzling shits but Ultimate Secret is up soon and I'm looking forward to that.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Ultragonk posted:

I just finished Ultimate Nightmare and really enjoyed it, it had a good horror vibe to it. I also though Ultimate War was great, these crossovers have been good stuff so far and I hope they stay that way. I know Ultimatum will be the drizzling shits but Ultimate Secret is up soon and I'm looking forward to that.

Ultimate Secret has one of the best modern redesigns of a classic character's costume to date.

qntm
Jun 17, 2009
And Ultimate Extinction has that great line about S.H.I.E.L.D.'s budget.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


The whole Arc is awesome. It's really in Ellis' wheelhouse

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Rhyno posted:

Ultimate Secret has one of the best modern redesigns of a classic character's costume to date.

McNiven's Captain Marvel right? Holy poo poo yes. I love the Ultimate Galactus trilogy.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

X-O posted:

McNiven's Captain Marvel right? Holy poo poo yes. I love the Ultimate Galactus trilogy.

Yes! It's so amazing. I tried to buy 5 different pages from those two issues and the prices were insane.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
I forgot: how did Carl lose his eye in the Walking Dead comic?

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Uthor posted:

I forgot: how did Carl lose his eye in the Walking Dead comic?

Exactly the same way as in the show.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

X-O posted:

Exactly the same way as in the show.

Oh. Been so long since I read those issues. Or the comic in general.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Ultimate Secret was pretty good, interested to see what they do with Gah Lak Tus. Bit disappointed that Carol Danvers isn't Ms Marvel though.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

So I just finished Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #28 and I am not sure what to read next if I want to keep reading about Miles. What is Cataclysm and do I need to read it? It sounds dumb.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Travis343 posted:

So I just finished Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #28 and I am not sure what to read next if I want to keep reading about Miles. What is Cataclysm and do I need to read it? It sounds dumb.
Cataclysm is super dumb. Skip right to Ultimate Spider-Man 200 and then Ultimate Spider-Man #1, and then that run of Ultimate Spider-Man will take you up through Secret War and then Spider-Man #1.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
I'm debating sending my copy of New Mutants 98 in to get graded. Googling I see there are a few different services that do it now - anyone have any recommendations on best service? Doesn't have to be cheapest.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

I don't remember Cataclysm: Ultimate Spider-Man being particularly not worth reading. I didn't follow the main Cataclysm either.

e: Okay, looking back at the issues, you should definitely not skip Cataclysm: USM.

Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Feb 22, 2016

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


I finished Ultimate Extinction today and it was pretty good. I liked what they did with Gah Lak Tus, it was very different while still having the same sort of goal of eating planets for energy. Also read Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #1 and wasn't that fussed on it, seemed like someone remembered the Inhumans and decided they should stick them in the ultimate universe somehow. I get to read Wolverine vs. Hulk next!

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Ultragonk posted:

I get to read Wolverine vs. Hulk next!

Read it the correct way:

- Check out the first two issues.

- Get your hopes up.

- Wait about three years.

- Finish the series.

- Try to remember what all the hype was about.

irlZaphod
Mar 26, 2004

Kiss the Joycon to Kiss Zelda

Ultragonk posted:

Also read Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #1 and wasn't that fussed on it, seemed like someone remembered the Inhumans and decided they should stick them in the ultimate universe somehow.
Boy, wait till you catch up on the Marvel Universe.

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WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Ultragonk posted:

Also read Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual #1 and wasn't that fussed on it, seemed like someone remembered the Inhumans and decided they should stick them in the ultimate universe somehow.

The Inhumans are original to the Lee/Kirby era of the Fantastic Four. An Ultimate FF annual is the perfect place for them.

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