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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:stoked for it to look roughly the same as the Bolt Me too! Dream Model 3: A crossover hatchback, a lil' bit of ground clearance, optional 4WD and optional 50/70 kWh battery. Regular door frames (!) so you can fit regular clamped roof racks.
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Euro name of Chevy Bolt official: http://media.opel.com/media/intl/en/opel/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/intl/en/2016/opel/02-11-ampera-e-battery-electric-car.html quote:Opel will launch a revolutionary new battery electric car next year, as the German brand continues the biggest, most far-reaching model offensive in its history with 29 new models between 2016 and 2020. The new five-door, five seat will be called “Ampera-e”. Slightly boring name, but fine. Will be interesting to see how many of those 29 new models are also EVs.
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Boring as all hell, especially since there are lots of German inventors' names to pick from. Like for instance Gustav Kirchhoff, who was responsible for some very fundamental discoveries relating to electric circuits. And Gustav would fit in well with the current lineup that includes the Adam and the Karl.
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Feb 11, 2016 13:26
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/697678962588188672 $1k is within the realm of talking my wife into letting me make a reservation.
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Feb 11, 2016 18:42
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Spent last week driving BMW's X5 xDrive40e: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/02/a-week-with-bmws-unexpectedly-charming-x5-hybrid-suv/ Quite liked it even though I am not an SUV fan. Couldn't average better than 22mpg though. If only I had somewhere to charge these things at night. This week I am driving the new Volt—review should be up this time next week.
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KozmoNaut posted:Boring as all hell, especially since there are lots of German inventors' names to pick from. Or, you know, Georg Simon Ohm.
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Feb 12, 2016 08:25
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Is there a date/time for this Tesla Model 3 preview/not-a-release/press conference thing?
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MrYenko posted:Is there a date/time for this Tesla Model 3 preview/not-a-release/press conference thing? Date: March 31 Time: Inevitably 45 minutes later than whatever time will be announced e: and I think it actually is a full blown unveiling, when Elon Musk talks about holding back I think he is referring to the next moves for the Model 3 platform or something like that.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:31
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So Tesla's new business model is taking deposits on cars they will never build? This is probably the best thing they can do.
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Elephanthead posted:So Tesla's new business model is taking deposits on cars they will never build? This is probably the best thing they can do. 
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Ola posted:Me too! Dream Model 3: A crossover hatchback, a lil' bit of ground clearance, optional 4WD and optional 50/70 kWh battery. Regular door frames (!) so you can fit regular clamped roof racks. I'd mostly want something with roughly the same cargo space as a Prius, plus the highway autopilot. Light duty towing ability would also be appreciated. If Musk actually is serious about his goal of near to total autonomy within three years, then there should at least be some substantial improvements to the autopilot system by the time the Model 3 is released.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:37
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I definitely think Model 3 will contain newer autopilot hardware, but total autonomy within 3 years is dumber than Elephanthead's post. I don't understand what he's even thinking, Musk that is. Computer people who think the world works like a computer and when it doesn't, just add more computer.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:55
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Ola posted:I definitely think Model 3 will contain newer autopilot hardware, but total autonomy within 3 years is dumber than Elephanthead's post. I don't understand what he's even thinking, Musk that is. Computer people who think the world works like a computer and when it doesn't, just add more computer. Yes, he is wrong because he is a computer guy. Knows nothing about anything else, let alone spaceflight or automobiles.
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Feb 13, 2016 02:59
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Ola posted:I don't understand what he's even thinking, Musk that is. Computer people who think the world works like a computer and when it doesn't, just add more computer. For autonomous driving they should add ... metal gears? Candles? Perhaps some good old stone masonry can solve this. Electronic technology definitely won't do it though.
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Internet Explorer posted:Yes, he is wrong because he is a computer guy. Knows nothing about anything else, let alone spaceflight or automobiles. I didn't quite say that. You'll have to sort finely to find a bigger Tesla fanboy in here. But the hubris you find in the subject of car autonomy is very much a computer guy sort of hubris. They think it's a set of hard traffic rules you can just plug into your drivebot instead of seeing that driving in traffic is just as human as walking in a churning crowd. Limited autonomy? On highways only? I'm with you. But total autonomy? The car drives itself cross country? Across all roads, neighborhood, mountain, highway, city, everything in every sort of weather and temperature? Nuh-uh. The current Tesla active cruise control shits itself with the slightest coating of slushy snow, there is no backup. How are they going to go from that, to an empty car sensing a bouncing ball from a driveway in heavy snow and interpreting it as an impending child collision? You know, as a drunk 16 year old probably could? Answer: They aren't, it's just normal hubris. Proud specialists flapping lip. Ranter posted:For autonomous driving they should add ... metal gears? Candles? Perhaps some good old stone masonry can solve this. Electronic technology definitely won't do it though. No it won't. That's my point and I suspect you know it is, in spite of my satirically abbreviated phrase.
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Feb 13, 2016 03:42
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Internet Explorer posted:Yes, he is wrong because he is a computer guy. Knows nothing about anything else, let alone spaceflight or automobiles. None of the engineers I have spoken to at Audi, Ford, Volvo, BMW, Qualcomm, or UMich think that level four autonomous cars will be possible in three years. But then Tesla already call their adaptive cruise control "Autopilot" which is rather misleading.
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Feb 13, 2016 04:39
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Ola posted:...a bouncing ball from a driveway in heavy snow... Children generally don't play with bouncing balls in the snow, also balls don't bounce on heavy snow.
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Ola posted:I didn't quite say that. You'll have to sort finely to find a bigger Tesla fanboy in here. But the hubris you find in the subject of car autonomy is very much a computer guy sort of hubris. They think it's a set of hard traffic rules you can just plug into your drivebot instead of seeing that driving in traffic is just as human as walking in a churning crowd. Limited autonomy? On highways only? I'm with you. But total autonomy? The car drives itself cross country? Across all roads, neighborhood, mountain, highway, city, everything in every sort of weather and temperature? Nuh-uh. The current Tesla active cruise control shits itself with the slightest coating of slushy snow, there is no backup. How are they going to go from that, to an empty car sensing a bouncing ball from a driveway in heavy snow and interpreting it as an impending child collision? You know, as a drunk 16 year old probably could? Answer: They aren't, it's just normal hubris. Proud specialists flapping lip. Yeah, the software guys, being in an industry which is still rapidly growing, have incredible hubris. People in older industries which have matured technologically are way more humble. Elon Musk does overpromise a lot though like computer guys. He should be applauded though for going into the mature aerospace and automobile industries, and not sticking with fart apps, etc. It's definitely harder there than in software to be successful in creating new technology. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Feb 13, 2016 06:02
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drgitlin posted:But then Tesla already call their adaptive cruise control "Autopilot" which is rather misleading. Autopilots in aircraft aren't used so the pilots can go in the back and flirt with the stewardesses; They're for relieving workload, allowing you to focus on operating the aircraft, instead of focusing on flying the aircraft. Tesla's autopilot is (thus far) precisely the same thing.
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Feb 13, 2016 06:06
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Oh no the self driving car won't be able to handle edge case number 345827, burn it all down, might as well give up 
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Feb 13, 2016 06:08
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drgitlin posted:None of the engineers I have spoken to at Audi, Ford, Volvo, BMW, Qualcomm, or UMich think that level four autonomous cars will be possible in three years. Did any of the engineers at Lockhead tell you that reusable rockets would be possible in three years? How about the dudes making electric cars, 300 miles per charge and 0-60 in 2.8 seconds?
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Feb 13, 2016 06:24
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I work in software and "software guys" are full of dumb hubris, even the more level headed ones. Like I'm even seriously looking at a Model 3 and I don't believe anything Elon Musk says regarding timeframe farther than i can drool.
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Internet Explorer posted:Did any of the engineers at Lockhead tell you that reusable rockets would be possible in three years? How about the dudes making electric cars, 300 miles per charge and 0-60 in 2.8 seconds? This is not the same thing. At all.
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Boten Anna posted:I work in software and "software guys" are full of dumb hubris, even the more level headed ones. Like I'm even seriously looking at a Model 3 and I don't believe anything Elon Musk says regarding timeframe farther than i can drool. That's not a pure software problem, though.
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silence_kit posted:He should be applauded though for going into the mature aerospace and automobile industries, and not sticking with fart apps, etc. It's definitely harder there than in software to be successful in creating new technology. Absolutely! He is a man to be admired. Disgruntled Bovine posted:Children generally don't play with bouncing balls in the snow, also balls don't bounce on heavy snow. An excellent nitpick. Let's say bouncing ball in sunny weather and an errant snow racer in winter? Frinkahedron posted:Oh no the self driving car won't be able to handle edge case number 345827, burn it all down, might as well give up Your fictional case number gives you some idea just how many exceptions there are. You basically have to develop full AI just to solve some pretty useless transportation needs. Why do you need to summon the car cross country anyway? Just take a space computer taxi wherever you are. Many car companies have lane keeper-type autosteer which can also park the car. Tesla called their technology "autopilot" which is actually not a bad name if you compare it with aviation - an autopilot is far from fully autonomous, you can't summon a plane cross country. The difference between where we are today, a near-sighted sensor package and a jittery, easily flummoxed lane keeper vs actual full autonomy which is meant to handle exceptions and make decisions is comparable to the difference between an ISS resupply rocket and a manned mission to Mars. For actual autonomous transport to make any real progress, we'll need to see some more holistic concepts with appropriate infrastructure and use cases. I can see package delivery, goods transport, gathering of scientific data etc. Or a highway network tuned for autonomous driving where the traffic flow is regulated in a way which plays to the computer's strength, i.e. radio signals instead of visual interpretation. Even then I wouldn't summon my own car cross country. Why wait for hours and hours for my fully featured AI to arrive when I can just solve my transport problem with some rentable service locally? Sleeping in the back while it was driving itself though, that's not bad.
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Look you just put a web cam strapped to the hood and make an app where you can hire a Chinese driving farm for $1 an hour to drive your drunk rear end around when your self driving car fails to keep it going. You become the package in a predator drone Toyota and the target is passed out on your front lawn.
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Feb 13, 2016 15:42
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Elephanthead posted:Look you just put a web cam strapped to the hood and make an app where you can hire a Chinese driving farm for $1 an hour to drive your drunk rear end around when your self driving car fails to keep it going. You become the package in a predator drone Toyota and the target is passed out on your front lawn. This is a brilliant idea.
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Remote Chauffeur® "now you don't even have to see the help" Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Feb 13, 2016 16:14
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Wouldn't it be great if Tesla cracked the whole autonomous driving thing, and all the other engineers working on it for other companies are like "how the hell did they do it? We're years away", and it gets revealed that they actually have a high speed ultra low latency private network connected to a driver sweatshop in Asia somewhere and it's actually humans doing the auto piloting.
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Feb 13, 2016 16:30
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A much better way of getting people places without them having to actually drive, is to invest into public transit. It's cheaper and easier, and also solves a bunch of problems that a self driving car doesn't, like the sheer amount of waste there is when cars are used significantly under capacity. Which is almost all the time.
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E- nm, unfunny joke
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So for you EV guys out there, how often do you see this poo poo? I understand why EV charging spots are predominantly closer to buildings and so forth, because trying to feed a L2 charger a ton of amps results in you having to use shorter runs of thicker cable unless you're trying to install a transformer or whatever out there. This makes perfect sense. However, I live in an area with a ton of EVs thanks to Georgia's awesome tax break a few years back on EV sales, and in almost every single parking lot I come across I see someone with a gasser car parked in the EV spot because it's inevitably closer to the building. EV adoption depends on people realizing that opportunity charging is a thing and that it can cure the range anxiety stuff right off the bat, and I'm stoked that the local grocery store chains are all about doing this stuff for their customers. However, I'm worried that there are a poo poo-ton of narcissistic people out there who will block access to these chargers because "Ahm more important than thay arr" or whatever the idiot driving this Nissan Versa thinks, and that a lot of the frustrated EV crew will eventually say "Ha gently caress this, it'll never work" when it comes to the end of their lease. Then again, it could just be the pricks that live around this area, and as a note I'm moving out of here as soon as I can for that same reason. As a note - the lady in the Prius had just pulled in at that point and had her car plugged in by the time I was moving out, so it's not like she was using it as a glorified equivalent to a handicapped parking spot.
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Ripoff posted:As a note - the lady in the Prius had just pulled in at that point and had her car plugged in by the time I was moving out, so it's not like she was using it as a glorified equivalent to a handicapped parking spot. It's true, driving an electric car is like being handicapped
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Ripoff posted:So for you EV guys out there, how often do you see this poo poo? Not here, since it's illegal or at least there's a big sign on the charger saying it's illegal to park a non charging car there. You should see if you can get a law like that passed at least at the local level.
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Mange Mite posted:It's true, driving an electric car is like being handicapped Yeah sorry, that was worded poorly - I see people park there cars there as well that don't plug them in to charge. I guess, maybe using it as one of those "expectant mother" parking spots? Maybe the "carpool only" parking spots? Feel free to substitute it as you please. Edit: duz posted:Not here, since it's illegal or at least there's a big sign on the charger saying it's illegal to park a non charging car there. You should see if you can get a law like that passed at least at the local level. God, I would love to do something like that, and try to get a law passed allowing filtering for motorcycles. However, talking with a few people who have lived here over the years, they've told me it's a solidly red state where your opinion doesn't matter unless it comes attached with a $10k "donation". 
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HorseLord posted:A much better way of getting people places without them having to actually drive, is to invest into public transit. It's cheaper and easier, and also solves a bunch of problems that a self driving car doesn't, like the sheer amount of waste there is when cars are used significantly under capacity. Which is almost all the time. Yes absolutely. Advances in EVs, autonomy, sensors and other smart traffic stuff can have huge and unexpected benefits to public transit as well. But the most efficient solution to any transport problem is to eliminate the need for transport all together, which technology helps solve. I've lived within walking distance of work the past 7 years and can't imagine going back to the horror of the commute. Ripoff posted:So for you EV guys out there, how often do you see this poo poo? I'm don't own an EV so I don't have much experience but I gather it's a pretty common thing. Some leave polite notes, but I think that can lead to conflicts as well. Not a bad idea to carry a long extension cord.
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Ripoff posted:So for you EV guys out there, how often do you see this poo poo? People who aren't handicapped park in the handicapped spots all the loving time, why would you think that these sort of people would pay any attention to EV parking spot restrictions?
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The Locator posted:People who aren't handicapped park in the handicapped spots all the loving time, why would you think that these sort of people would pay any attention to EV parking spot restrictions? Apparently in my pretend la-la land that I live in, people are genuinely decent and reserve parking spots for the disabled to help make their admittedly more difficult lives easier. Also these decent people care about the environment and encourage EV owners to enjoy their cars and help the world.  Jesus, as if I didn't need another reason to go ram my car into a wall.
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I'm sorry but there are so many phony reserved parking spots for EVs and "alternative vehicles" (of which any prius or polluting VW diesel qualifies) for new parents and for trangendered nuns with hiv and I ignore all these signs because they are loving stupid. I'm not going to block a charging station but otherwise signs carry very little power in my life.
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