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Xae posted:The dumbest thing about this post is that you assume things not talked about to avoid discussing the point. Despite it being a response to a post about how match teaching changed in the 70s and 80s. Most adults are really, really bad at math. Sorry about the metaphor though. It was the first thing that jumped out at me as a "big change in child rearing that people try to ignore".
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Parents don't need to understand the material being taught to participate in education and to support their children's schooling, and thank God for that.
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Xae posted:The dumbest thing about this post is that you assume things not talked about to avoid discussing the point. Despite it being a response to a post about how match teaching changed in the 70s and 80s. The real question is do you prefer Newtonian or Leibniz notation? Your entire posting career depends on this answer.
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Xae posted:The dumbest thing about this post is that you assume things not talked about to avoid discussing the point. Despite it being a response to a post about how match teaching changed in the 70s and 80s. It's OK to learn new things.
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Feb 13, 2016 16:59
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Antti posted:Parents don't need to understand the material being taught to participate in education and to support their children's schooling, and thank God for that. Seriously. Parental involvement isn't short-hand for "do your kid's work" or "be the backup teacher." A parent supporting their child in school should involve making sure they do their homework, making sure they get to school on time fed and well-rested, and keeping in touch with their teachers about their progress. Yeah, relearning fractions might let you help your kid on an assignment, but it's the absolutely least important thing you could do.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:00
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I'm not a parent so I don't know exactly how it works, but when I was younger my parents did everything they could to foster some sense of curiosity and help me enjoy the process of learning new poo poo. This made many subjects in school actually interesting and fun because when you actually like finding out new things it turns out school isn't as bad.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:14
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Joementum posted:DeRay made two web videos for his mayoral campaign, which you can watch here. Campaign slogan: "Love is the why". YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssss
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Feb 13, 2016 17:26
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I would suspect that if you're a parent who cares enough to help their child with math homework, it wouldn't be too difficult to hit up Professor Google to figure out how to help your kid with the Common Core math techniques. But I also suspect that the issue has less to do with teaching children and more to do with raging against "big government liberals indoctrinating our impressionable youth with garbage nonsense". So, assuming that these people genuinely care about quality of math education is giving them a lot of credit, I think.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:29
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On Terra Firma posted:I'm not a parent so I don't know exactly how it works, but when I was younger my parents did everything they could to foster some sense of curiosity and help me enjoy the process of learning new poo poo. This made many subjects in school actually interesting and fun because when you actually like finding out new things it turns out school isn't as bad. Well you don't have to understand your kid's math homework to take them to a museum or to have a group like Mad Science work your kid's birthday party. My parents read to me a lot as a kid and took me to the zoo and aquarium. We went on vacations to cave formations and national parks. No math required. UV_Catastrophe posted:I would suspect that if you're a parent who cares enough to help their child with math homework, it wouldn't be too difficult to hit up Professor Google to figure out how to help your kid with the Common Core math techniques. I had a guy at work complain about Common Core. He doesn't actually have school age children, and when pressed his argument boiled down to "I just think the Federal government should stay out of education!" He's a government employee.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:33
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Litany Unheard posted:I had a guy at work complain about Common Core. He doesn't actually have school age children, and when pressed his argument boiled down to "I just think the Federal government should stay out of education!" I think the Federal Government needs more control and States need less. I also think that Common Core Math is a bad system. And the drop in test scores we're seeing backs that up. My problem isn't that the Fed came up with a system, my problem is that they came up with a bad system. But since half the states involved in Common Core have altered or dropped the standards it'll be an academic argument in a few years.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:39
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Litany Unheard posted:He's a government employee. It's really amazing how often this is the case.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:39
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I'm a little worried about the way some of these techniques are being taught. I've worked with a good number of kids doing their homework who lack the context to do their assignments and don't understand the reasoning behind what they've been taught. That's not necessarily new, but I think they are rushing the curriculum and some teachers don't have the experience to help the kids understand.
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It would also be really nice if the political situation surrounding the debate allowed for more constructive options other than "keep the current system as is" vs. "burn Common Core and the Dept. of Education to the ground, hail satan."
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It's really amazing how often this is the case. Americans have a really skewed view on what the idea of 'government' is supposed to look like. I blame our founding fathers for trying to start with the Articles of Confederation and then working our way back to federalism from there.
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Feb 13, 2016 18:05
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UV_Catastrophe posted:hail satan." Pretty simple when you break down the function. Litany Unheard posted:Seriously. Parental involvement isn't short-hand for "do your kid's work" or "be the backup teacher." A parent supporting their child in school should involve making sure they do their homework, making sure they get to school on time fed and well-rested, and keeping in touch with their teachers about their progress. Yeah, relearning fractions might let you help your kid on an assignment, but it's the absolutely least important thing you could do. This is so true. I'm going to add it's important to learn how to fail at stuff too, and have a child to learn how to ask for help from not their parents. Especially when your parent is railing against the fed because they wont get their hands out of their medicare.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Americans have a really skewed view on what the idea of 'government' is supposed to look like. I blame our founding fathers for trying to start with the Articles of Confederation and then working our way back to federalism from there. Looking at the EU, the theory checks out.
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Litany Unheard posted:Seriously. Parental involvement isn't short-hand for "do your kid's work" or "be the backup teacher." A parent supporting their child in school should involve making sure they do their homework, making sure they get to school on time fed and well-rested, and keeping in touch with their teachers about their progress. Yeah, relearning fractions might let you help your kid on an assignment, but it's the absolutely least important thing you could do. Litany Unheard posted:Well you don't have to understand your kid's math homework to take them to a museum or to have a group like Mad Science work your kid's birthday party. On Terra Firma posted:I'm not a parent so I don't know exactly how it works, but when I was younger my parents did everything they could to foster some sense of curiosity and help me enjoy the process of learning new poo poo. This made many subjects in school actually interesting and fun because when you actually like finding out new things it turns out school isn't as bad. Consider yourselves extremely lucky you didn't have authoritarian parents incapable of empathy or moving past their narcissism/venting their abusive marriage issues to their kids/trying to live vicariously through their kids when you were growing up. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder, why do you ask?
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Feb 13, 2016 18:12
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Joementum posted:DeRay made two web videos for his mayoral campaign, which you can watch here. Campaign slogan: "Love is the why". Excellent videos, great luck to him.
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Feb 13, 2016 18:45
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Xae posted:I think the Federal Government needs more control and States need less. I thought test scores among white students are the highest they've been while test scores among minority students are the lowest they've ever been.
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Feb 13, 2016 18:53
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Luigi Thirty posted:I thought test scores among white students are the highest they've been while test scores among minority students are the lowest they've ever been. That's working as intended then. Move along.
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SedanChair posted:I'm a little worried about the way some of these techniques are being taught. I've worked with a good number of kids doing their homework who lack the context to do their assignments and don't understand the reasoning behind what they've been taught. That's not necessarily new, but I think they are rushing the curriculum and some teachers don't have the experience to help the kids understand. I think this has a lot more to do with the individual teacher than the curriculum. I had a math teacher that answered every question by pointing to a page in the book and telling us to read it.
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Feb 13, 2016 19:51
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Internet Webguy posted:I think this has a lot more to do with the individual teacher than the curriculum. On the other hand, I had an amazing AP Calculus teacher in public high school that helped push us to really enjoy math while in her class in her last year before she retired and I think most of us got 4s and 5s on the AP test, and I'm not even a math guy. She made solving integrals and Riemann sums fun and interesting. Fight tooth and nail to prevent cuts to public education, is what I'm saying. E: BTW people who vote against public education because "hey, I don't have any kids (in school), why should I pay taxes for local schools!?" are the loving worst.
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Internet Webguy posted:I think this has a lot more to do with the individual teacher than the curriculum. My math teacher told us we don't need math anyway since we're all gonna end up behind cash registers and that does half the work for us. It really does depend on the teacher more so than the curriculum imo.
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That's what I mean, and given the current quality and burnout level of the worst teachers it could be argued that their students would be better off with an old curriculum that the teacher doesn't have to expend any effort to learn. That sounds really cynical and playing into the narrative of failing public schools, but if there is a recent increasing disparity in test scores between white and black students this would go a long way to explaining it.
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nutranurse posted:My math teacher told us we don't need math anyway since we're all gonna end up behind cash registers and that does half the work for us. It really does depend on the teacher more so than the curriculum imo. My geometry teacher once said "2 Fs, 20 Fs, I don't care I get the same paycheck." Such were the underpinnings of my math education. I think of these people when I think of pushback to a less route system of learning. I then went on to major in physics, cause gently caress that guy. 
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I cannot think of a more boring subject than math.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I cannot think of a more boring subject than math. English should probably be split into a writing and a reading class.
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Feb 13, 2016 20:40
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computer parts posted:English should probably be split into a writing and a reading class. Make the kids diagram sentences. Make them suffer like I did.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I cannot think of a more boring subject than math. Tax law. Tax law is more boring.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Tax law. Tax law is more boring. Wow. Someone never studied Relational Normal Forms.
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I will say, the common core literature and film/documentary study materials I've seen look excellent and hard to screw up.
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FourLeaf posted:There's this ABC special on with the mother of Dylan Klebold and it's really rubbing me the wrong way. Diane Sawyer's already asked the question "weren't you concerned when your son bought that long trenchcoat???" It's such a stupid question and instantly takes me back to that horrible 'trenchcoats/video games/Marilyn Manson makes kids violent' hysteria of that time period. whats sad is, if klebold hadnt met Harris, he may have ended up being a relatively normal adult. apparently he was more of typical angst ridden highschool kid and he might of had depression. Harris was a stone cold sociopath who was looking for a follower/lackey. that doesnt excuse kleibold for any of the poo poo http://www.amazon.com/Columbine-Dave-Cullen/dp/0446546925 this books is pretty much the best and most definative guide on columbine. it dispels alot of the myths like the trench coat mafia/doom/jesus saves evangelical poo poo. apparently evangelicals swarmed the place for weeks after the shooting. we had some of them come to our high school, they were pricks.
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Marilyn Mansion put hidden backwards messages in Doom that caused Columbine, duh.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I cannot think of a more boring subject than math. I always hated math, until I started using it heavily in my science classes, which I did enjoy. The way math is taught makes it feel sort of pointless because you don't know why the things you're learning are useful. It's like if you taught a classroom full of space aliens about the concept of a hammer, and how to use a hammer, and so on, but you never explained what a nail is or what carpentry is or provided any sort of context at all. The way math is taught just feels very confusing and useless.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Tax law. Tax law is more boring. I took a combination accounting and basic law class in high school and generally liked it. If I had a tax law class I bet I would've liked it too. Also sounds useful once a year, whereas I haven't needed algebra in almost 20 years.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:I always hated math, until I started using it heavily in my science classes, which I did enjoy. The way math is taught makes it feel sort of pointless because you don't know why the things you're learning are useful. quote:A musician wakes from a terrible nightmare. In his dream he finds himself in a society where music education has been made mandatory. “We are helping our students become more competitive in an increasingly sound-filled world.” Educators, school systems, and the state are put in charge of this vital project. Studies are commissioned, committees are formed, and decisions are made— all without the advice or participation of a single working musician or composer. A Mathematician’s Lament by Paul Lockhart
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Freakazoid_ posted:I took a combination accounting and basic law class in high school and generally liked it. If I had a tax law class I bet I would've liked it too. Also sounds useful once a year, whereas I haven't needed algebra in almost 20 years. That last sentence is the dumbest complaint about education ever. You should feel bad. Also I changed my mind. Fundamental thermos more boring than tax law. Edit: I'm biased towards math though. Graduate degree's in physical chemistry which is the result if math, chemistry, and Satan had a threesome. Islam is the Lite Rock FM fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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I think math in the context of something nearly immediately rewarding and engaging like a simple Unity 3D game would help a lot. Like, what's a vector? When are vector's useful? Well they're used all the time in games and things like the angle between two vectors, dot products, and cross products, and then matrices, all of this is used all the time in graphics and gaming.
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