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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Wait, when was real estate ever even supposedly about providing homes rather than getting peoples' money? Real question--I was never aware of that second thing as a motivator or factor, with the exception of nonprofits with that explicit mission (Habitat for Humanity, etc) Well, yeah, but the idea that the real estate industry is somehow benevolent operators helping Good Honest Americans become God-Fearing Homeowners and not Lazy Apartment Dwellers and therefore should be left alone for the good of society definitely exists. And in theory, real estate is just a market like any other, and in an ideal world and with proper regulation it can be efficient at providing people with land/homes. I mean you get all the same problems as you do with the healthcare market, but still, in Libertopia...
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foobardog posted:Well, yeah, but the idea that the real estate industry is somehow benevolent operators helping Good Honest Americans become God-Fearing Homeowners and not Lazy Apartment Dwellers and therefore should be left alone for the good of society definitely exists. The modern real estate market for homes is essentially set up to increase the velocity of money in said market. Various research showed that homeowners spent more on consumer goods than renters, and so Fannie Mae and such were set up to speed and increase the number of loans made to encourage people to buy homes (or, rather, take out mortgages). Basically it set up a system where banks make a loan, then hand the loan over to a Federal clearinghouse and get their money back, and can then turn around and make a new loan to someone else. This system ended being exploited as hell, with the most telling example being the "subprime" mortgage fiasco which contributed to the 2008 recession.
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foobardog posted:Well, yeah, but the idea that the real estate industry is somehow benevolent operators helping Good Honest Americans become God-Fearing Homeowners and not Lazy Apartment Dwellers and therefore should be left alone for the good of society definitely exists. Interesting, sounds like something I'll be reading more about later. I've always assumed it's just been a market like any other, but I can definitely see this. Thanks!
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SousaphoneColossus posted:I thought the panhandle had a reputation of containing ID's most overt neonazis/white supremacists. Am I misremembering that? The attempted bombing of the MLK day parade in Spokane was a KKKcrazy from the handle and that was just a few years ago, so yeah.
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Tigntink posted:The attempted bombing of the MLK day parade in Spokane was a KKKcrazy from the handle and that was just a few years ago, so yeah. My wife has uncles that live in either the pan handle or a lovely little village called whitehaven, CA. Hrm....
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It's happening again https://twitter.com/EileenParkKOIN/status/697597437163106304
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Feb 11, 2016 03:09
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anthonypants posted:It's happening again You mean it's still happening. Literally nothing has changed since the charges were unsealed besides Fry getting a bigger audience to complain to. The FBI probably got tired of listening to him.
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"Plz let us leave like we were never here, ok? We don't want to be in trouble with the law." Those guys. 
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Internet Webguy posted:You mean it's still happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOlrSain0lk
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Alright, so I have to admit I was wrong, Cliven Bundy is in Multnomah County Jail right now. Other than that nothing has happened besides a Nevada state legislator and televangelist trying to get attention by helping the 4 holdouts surrender.
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All this is about 4 guys? Just send in the swat with some teargas or something? They do 100x more for the labor day protests.
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effectual posted:All this is about 4 guys? https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/697662238006509568 And Nevada state congressperson and insane woman Michele Fiore says they're going to turn themselves in today. https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/697651847025160192 anthonypants fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Finally, a bit of an answer on the issue of I-1183 and how good/bad it's been for the state: http://www.theheraldbusinessjournal.com/article/20160210/BIZ/160219996/1172/The-price-of-liquor Prices on average are 20% higher, consumption is 20% higher, state revenues are up.
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Shoutout to the LIGO personnel in Richland!
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Proving Einstein right is a pretty nice payback for having to live in the Tri-cities.
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Gerund posted:Proving Einstein right is a pretty nice payback for having to live in the Tri-cities. No poo poo. It's still as nice as it gets on the east side of the state, probably largely due to the high number of post-secondary degrees thanks to PNNL. That doesn't mean 'great', just better than the surroundings.
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Now that the Malheur County refuge occupation is over we can get back to our regu--what the gently caress
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What? That still happens? It's got to be a side effect of testing out time travel machines, before they work out the kinks. A person is dressed in period clothes, they try to send them back, but instead just send everything below the subject's ankles.
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anthonypants posted:Now that the Malheur County refuge occupation is over we can get back to our regu--what the gently caress My understanding is that sometimes these are folks who have fallen overboard, floated around for a while decomposing and since the shoe floats that is all that ends up on land.
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Solkanar512 posted:My understanding is that sometimes these are folks who have fallen overboard, floated around for a while decomposing and since the shoe floats that is all that ends up on land. That is one possible explanation, but there are a lot of questions left unanswered, such as why this has happened in a relatively restricted geographical area. From some cursory research (meaning reading the wikipedia article), it really is something that is as anomalous as it seems.
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God the shoe thing is so weird. I'm still betting on serial killer.
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glowing-fish posted:That is one possible explanation, but there are a lot of questions left unanswered, such as why this has happened in a relatively restricted geographical area. Oh, I thought people were thinking that the shoe/foot thing was weird. I wasn't aware of the isolated geography of these events.
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Solkanar512 posted:Oh, I thought people were thinking that the shoe/foot thing was weird. I wasn't aware of the isolated geography of these events. It's pretty much the Salish Sea and nowhere else. I think I once read an explanation that involved prevailing currents from the other side of the Pacific. The Boxing Day Tsunami happened in late 2004. The first feet started showing up in 2007. A lot of tsunami debris of Japan made it over here. TotalLossBrain fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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There's a lot of human trafficking that goes on here, and we don't know about most of it. People who die or are killed on the trip are disposed of, that would be my guess.
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SedanChair posted:There's a lot of human trafficking that goes on here, and we don't know about most of it. People who die or are killed on the trip are disposed of, that would be my guess. gently caress 
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http://www.kgw.com/news/crime/suspect-kills-man-with-shovel-deputies-say/39621417quote:METZGER, Ore. – The man found dead after deputies responded to a report of someone being attacked with a shovel Wednesday is being remembered as “a pillar in the Muslim community.” The suspect: 
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Lotta ships in and out of Puget sound. I have heard anecdotally of Chinese crews throwing stowaways over the side because it's significantly easier than arriving in a US port with a stowaway to deal with.
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Here's a quote from that article you guys are too scared of readingquote:In British Columbia, two of the feet have since been identified as having belonged to people with mental illness, while three others were linked to individuals who probably died of natural causes.
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anthonypants posted:Here's a quote from that article you guys are too scared of reading I did read it, that's 2 of 13 feet definitively identified, three maybes and 8 "who knows."
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SedanChair posted:I did read it, that's 2 of 13 feet definitively identified, three maybes and 8 "who knows." I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens.
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"Finding one foot is like a million to one odds,” Cox said, “but to find two is crazy. I’ve heard of dancers with two left feet, but come on.” Everybody's a comedian.
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FRINGE posted:Mafia and chainsaws and crab traps. They stole my last wishes plan! At least they are not throwing a free crab dinner too.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:Has anyone done a study as to why certain topics produce long, passionate arguing over others? It'd be interesting if there were specific components that when mashed together could reliably produce endless, boring debate. For example, take bikechat. Is it because the solution seems unclear to people, and both evidence and anecdotes seem to contradict each other? Is it because everyone has an anecdotes, and therefore have a stronger reaction to the issue because of their personal connection? The accessibility of the issue might also be relevant, or perhaps people perceive the issue as easily understandable and thus resolvable (head = pavement = death, obviously mandate helmets, vs statistics show more deaths from helmets, never wear one). And, that accessibility makes it easy for people just joining the argument to rehash previously said material. There is also the common assumption that anyone over 25 and not in spandex on a bicycle is probably poor or cannot drive for some nefarious reasoning, so anyone who isn't dressed out like Lance Armstrong is probably homeless or can't afford to drive and is otherwise an impediment to the normal workings of real 'muricans. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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coyo7e posted:There is also the common assumption that anyone over 25 and not in spandex on a bicycle is probably poor or cannot drive for some nefarious reasoning, so anyone who isn't dressed out like Lance Armstrong is probably homeless or can't afford to drive and is otherwise an impediment to the normal workings of real 'muricans. Common? Sounds more like an uncommon projection.
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FetusSlapper posted:Common? Sounds more like an uncommon projection.
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coyo7e posted:Yup. I used to think that way and still do about every mustached 40 year old in flannel riding along hwy 99 toward JC... Hmm. Maybe its because I grew up in Midland Michigan(suburb of Dow Chemical), but adults riding bikes were always environmental nerds, nerds doing it for exercise or rich nerds riding their $2k titanium bike around. I don't really see many people biking around in Federal Way, adults or otherwise though.
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I like riding my bike around Seattle once a month or so in summer, I'm poor and listen to music whe not wearing a helmet, and when I get downtown on my way to pike place I almost always have to get off my bike, because the streets are packed with cars and the sidewalks are packed with walkers. :Emote-crossed arms, whatever it is: turning one north-south street to bikes/peds only and adding a few bike lanes every ~5 E/W streets would be nice. It'd encourage people to be healthier by riding bikes more, less co2 from less driving, etc. But the bike industry doesnt lobby as well as oil/cars
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