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Gorbash posted:I'm not a union expert but I've been a CPSU member (and occasional delegate) for 20 years. I'd describe them as "good hearted but ineffectual" - they try but don't really seem to accomplish much. Given the public service is their domain that's perhaps not too surprising. At the very least they're not allowing the industry to backslide in terms of work conditions, AND in the face of a Liberal government. The SDA seems to actively undermine its members.
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Cool, thanks all. I had a feeling the CPSU was good people but wanted to make sure before I committed. The recent SDA undermining Mithranderp mentioned is fresh in my mind.
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# ? Feb 13, 2016 11:04 |
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The SDA only undermine workers rights when they have a good reason, like halting The Gay Agenda or buying Joe de Bruyn another car
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Mithranderp posted:At the very least they're not allowing the industry to backslide in terms of work conditions, AND in the face of a Liberal government. The SDA seems to actively undermine its members. Unions are only as strong as the workforce really. They lobby at the political level quite well, but for large chunks of the federal and state public service (all the EBAs come up at the same time) the public wouldn't notice a stop work strike. Makes it very difficult for them to be highly effective. In saying that though, only a handful of the EBAs have been voted up, the majority have knocked them back and are pushing for higher pay increases and stopping conditions from being taken off the EBA and put on to ERAs instead.
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yeah the cpsu are pretty good they need to hire more people but that's pretty much it
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EvilElmo posted:Unions are only as strong as the workforce really. They lobby at the political level quite well, but for large chunks of the federal and state public service (all the EBAs come up at the same time) the public wouldn't notice a stop work strike. Makes it very difficult for them to be highly effective. Yeah, and I'd wager that one of the reasons that the SDA is so poo poo is the terrible bargaining position that their members are in. They are so replaceable that it's difficult to bargain from a powerful position, even collectively. e: and I don't mean 'replaceable' in any sort of disparaging way towards the workers themselves, having been a retail worker myself. it's just the reality that for every job advertised in those industries, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of applicants who are by and large exactly the same. The Before Times fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Feb 13, 2016 |
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Mithranderp posted:Yeah, and I'd wager that one of the reasons that the SDA is so poo poo is the terrible bargaining position that their members are in. They are so replaceable that it's difficult to bargain from a powerful position, even collectively. I dunno they seem to do a pretty good job at bargaining at labor party conferences.
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CPSU are good and are currently getting stonewalled hard by the government.EvilElmo posted:So candidates with under x% (can't remember the exact number) of the vote get ignored, so the weird preference deals that allowed Muir to get up won't matter anymore. quote:It will certainly turn it from being near impossible to very hard. They'd need a big personal following and voter turnout. If all the racist UPF etc. groups get together and get behind 1 candidate in NSW and QLD they might get a senator in each state. But that isn't going to happen. All the vanity candidates will flock to the senate ticket in the view it's easy to get elected, which will kill their respective chances of getting up. There's a difference between small-but-actual parties like Family First and the Shooters and Fishers, and preference-harvesting groups or fringe candidates, and it'd really matter at a DD.
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Hey friends anyone in brisbane thinking of going to the vigil in front of the Lady Cilento Hospital today? Should be good!
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Recoome posted:Hey friends anyone in brisbane thinking of going to the vigil in front of the Lady Cilento Hospital today? Should be good! I went to check it out last night. Quite a few people there, but probably will be more during the day. People were honking their horns and some guy drove past yelling (among other things) "HITLER WAS RIGHT". They also had pizza.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I went to check it out last night. Quite a few people there, but probably will be more during the day. People were honking their horns and some guy drove past yelling (among other things) "HITLER WAS RIGHT". They also had pizza.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I went to check it out last night. Quite a few people there, but probably will be more during the day. People were honking their horns and some guy drove past yelling (among other things) "HITLER WAS RIGHT". They also had pizza. Was he wearing a port adelaide jumper?
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Of these two anti-Malcolm slogans, which is better? "Drop the fop" or "The fop's a flop"
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Of these two anti-Malcolm slogans, which is better? "Drop the fop" or "The fop's a flop" I'd say they're both strong messages, friend
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Solemn Sloth posted:Was he wearing a port adelaide jumper? God drat it, we are saints! Power supporters are always getting the raw deal, at least we arn't the Pies or St Kilda, who are not saints.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Of these two anti-Malcolm slogans, which is better? "Drop the fop" or "The fop's a flop" Drop the fop, obviously. Rhyming slogans roll off the tongue and are great for chanting. Alliterating slogans are easier to to mispronounce and will sound much clunkier when coming from an angry mob with pitchforks.
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Problematic.
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 04:24 |
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asio posted:Problematic. Current usage: a dandy or foolish and weak aristocratic sort Etymology: a fool. Don't really see the problem?
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Urcher posted:Drop the fop, obviously. And it's three words, short enough for even the idiots to remember
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Found this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-13/turnbull-cabinet-reshuffle-who-is-going-where/7163334 It's interactive so I can't really quote it. Notable is Luke Hartsuyker. He was even touted as a likely Nationals leadership candidate. There's something more to this that I haven't seen anywhere. I like this quote about the reshuffle: quote:Federal Cabinet is getting dumber with each reshuffle. Those promoted today weren’t good enough 6 months ago. They were only promoted because Minister’s stuffed up or bailed out. So many have training wheels (Ciobo has Robb, even Joyce has Nash to help him bite his tongue, and she has training wheels herself). Turnbull is great at spinning this as rejuvination, but it’s just desperation. And the team probably won’t last to the election. For starters, Pyne and Roy are also under investigation by the AFP along with Brough. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-14/scott-morrison-criticises-labors-negative-gearing-plan/7166670 I mentioned sometime back that Morrison wasn't a great fit for Treasurer because (unlike his previous portfolio) you couldn't act as a valve for information. In treasury the rest of the world knows the figures often before the Treasurer does. This is a classic case of Morrison missing the entire point and proudly doubling down: quote:Scott Morrison says Labor's plan to scrap negative gearing will raise 'very little' revenue By political reporter Matthew Doran Updated about an hour ago The guy is a dumb baboon in a suit and his elevation to Treasurer is making this clearer every day.
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so is there any source for his $600 million claim or is he literally just making poo poo up and getting away with it e: also shouldn't the first priority of tax revenue be fixing THE DEFICIT? he refers to LABOR'S DEBT in the immediately previous sentence, then immediately says that any revenue they get from tax changes they'll offset with tax cuts. what happened to the BUDGET DISASTER BBJoey fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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The budget disaster lasted about 5 minutes into the LNP's term.
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# ? Feb 14, 2016 05:32 |
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I imagine the 600m figure comes from the PBO modelling.
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If alp's negative gearing gets up, won't investors just start knocking down and rebuilding properties?
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BBJoey posted:so is there any source for his $600 million claim or is he literally just making poo poo up and getting away with it Perhaps to explain why Morrison is insane and this a good Labor policy> Debt and Deficit are different things. At ~0% interest it is actually very sound for governments to borrow money. Maybe what the country should be asking Scotty is why he can't fund government debt more cheaply. That's definitely his job. Can't blame Labor for that. Debt can be used to make your government policies (long term) succeed. Deficit is where you aren't bringing in as much as you are spending. Structural deficit is where you have made long term policy decisions that lock in the deficit for future years. This is what JWH did in spades. He took one off windfall revenue gains (and this is the cringeworthy part ->) with huge unprecedented long term revenue negative asset sales to cut taxes to the well off. The LNP have decided that this is clever economics And ala Britain, Greece, The USA have committed themselves to not only continue the tax cuts but to 'fix' the deficit by further (revenue negative) asset sales and savage cuts to everything. Neo-con government fundamentally questions the point to any government existing and sets about dismantling the bits that aren't directly lining the pockets of the wealthy. TheMightyHandful posted:If alp's negative gearing gets up, won't investors just start knocking down and rebuilding properties?
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Replace Bill Shorten, start a conversation about negative gearing and the ALP would be on the right track to an election winning platform.
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But what will freak out white Australia more: a GST coming for fruit and vegetables or Socialists coming for extensive property portfolios.
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Anidav posted:Replace Bill Shorten, start a conversation about negative gearing and the ALP would be on the right track to an election winning platform. Do you really think Bowen is the stronger choice?
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Anidav posted:But what will freak out white Australia more: a GST coming for fruit and vegetables or Socialists coming for extensive property portfolios. The latter, grocery price rises would be swamped in a sea of Woolies vs. Coles "BEAT THE GST BACK!" price slashing ads.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:Current usage: a dandy or foolish and weak aristocratic sort I hope your campaign achieves its objectives but it's more the man is girly, weak, and unsuited to colonial leadership. Like, Downer for enjoying fishnets.
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EvilElmo posted:Do you really think Bowen is the stronger choice? Anyone but Tanya to avoid Gillard comparsons but Bowen has a weird mousey voice. Always seems like he's about to pee his pants and cry. Albo is the next choice but who knows if a leader boost would save his seat from the incoming Greens campaign that'll swamp his turf. Polling wise that only leaves Wayne Sean who leads Bill Shor-who by 2% as preferred leader. Lol. That's damaged goods from the RGR govt. though.
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Cartoon posted:Perhaps to explain why Morrison is insane and this a good Labor policy> I know the actual facts of the deficit and national debt, I'm just commenting on the sweet doublethink required to simultaneously hold the views "Labor left us with a horrible budget deficit which we have to fix ASAP", "that we've increased the deficit in our previous budgets is actually not a problem" and "if we modify tax policy to generate more revenue, we should cut taxes and thus do nothing to reduce the horrible, terrible deficit", much less express them within sentences of each other.
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asio posted:the man is girly This is your own projection. Nothing about the word fop implies girlishness. Maybe your framework is warped or something.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:This is your own projection. Nothing about the word fop implies girlishness. Maybe your framework is warped or something. From your quote about current usage: dandy or: someone who takes care in his appearance like a girl. Whatever you might think, it's definitely implying that to most people that hear it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as76cG_vnb4 Still more dignified than our deputy prime minister.
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Ket posted:From your quote about current usage: dandy I guess I don't parse it that way since, to me, taking care in one's appearance is not the sole domain of women? In fact I don't even think of it as a womanly trait. It's you. You're the real sexist.
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Ket posted:From your quote about current usage: dandy I have no horse in this race but that's not the definition of dandy, did you get that from urban dictionary or just make it up yourself?
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I've always understood a Dandy to mean a well dressed (male) fool or charlatan
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What about Space Dandy?
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Ket posted:From your quote about current usage: dandy Its not to me.
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