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WarpedNaba posted:Hollywood can stop making films that demonise other countries when those other countries cease to make films the demonise the States. Yeah, demonise the English instead!
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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, demonise the English instead! They already do, although I will freely admit that The Patriot isn't exactly topical.
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computer parts posted:It's only unfair in that other countries don't do it. WWII stuff got made all the time a few years ago. It sold well in Germany too and it wasn't stopped because of German complaints- audiences got tired of it.
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Cliff Racer posted:WWII stuff got made all the time a few years ago. It sold well in Germany too and it wasn't stopped because of German complaints- audiences got tired of it. And if the US just made movies about how evil the Qing were, I don't think China would complain.
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computer parts posted:It's only unfair in that other countries don't do it. Come on it's like you're not even trying. quote:And if the US just made movies about how evil the Qing were, I don't think China would complain. You might thing this if you literally knew nothing about China, yes.
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Before accepting EasternBronze's expertise on those-orientals-and-their-eastern-mindset, please keep in mind that he was recently probated for saying that "China is literally opposed to every single principle which has advanced humanity's ideals since the middle ages"
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Chomskyan posted:Before accepting EasternBronze's expertise on those-orientals-and-their-eastern-mindset, please keep in mind that he was recently probated for saying that "China is literally opposed to every single principle which has advanced humanity's ideals since the middle ages" Those concepts include "universal values", "civil rights", "human rights", "freedom of expression", among other such ills. In fact, I challenge you to give me a modern concept that has been important for securing the rights of people in modern society that won't get you arrested for advocating in China today. Go ahead, I'm waiting. Chomsky, are you doing some kind of elaborate performance art, imitating your namesake? You seem to love going to bat for authoritarian regimes while safely enjoying all the benefits the modern, western first-world has to offer. Anyway, given that it was likely you who pried open your wallet to net me this sweet avatar, maybe you could see your way clear to giving me platinum so you could PM me that list of modern concepts the Chinese government accepts, given how incredibly wrong my statement obviously was. EasternBronze fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 11:29
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EasternBronze posted:Come on it's like you're not even trying. I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but Iron Sky is a comedy made by a bunch of Finnish nerds whose previous claim to fame was lame Star Trek parodies 
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So what? Iron Sky was super popular in the States and Nazis have been stock villains in American cinema for the last forty plus years. I don't recall ever hearing any German complaints, nor should they  Maybe when we make films, the feelings of an authoritarian government shouldn't be taken into account.
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EasternBronze posted:I don't recall ever hearing any German complaints, nor should they Cause the films are pretty accurate, there is really nothing to complain about. The only thing wrong with Schindler's list is that it's downplaying Nazi crimes.
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computer parts posted:It's only unfair in that other countries don't do it.   the only political party in germany that would even consider being privately pissed off at war movies about murican boys shooting evil nazis in the head is the current iteration of the extreme right "no we're totally not neonazis, also hitler did nothing wrong" protest party, and their complaint would be that a nazi conquest of the world should be portrayed as successful and good computer parts posted:And if the US just made movies about how evil the Qing were, I don't think China would complain. China, run by people spouting a party line emphasising its proud 5000 year history (which has forever been and will forever be 5000 years, until it gets upgraded to 10000 years) of being the bestest most civilised country in the world, will definitely not object to anything that says China was at any point not one country, not civilised, or not the best. Chomskyan posted:Before accepting EasternBronze's expertise on those-orientals-and-their-eastern-mindset, please keep in mind that he was recently probated for saying that "China is literally opposed to every single principle which has advanced humanity's ideals since the middle ages" Like many other people whinily accusing everyone under the sun of ~*~orientalism~*~, you're actually spouting orientalism.txt yourself. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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It's good to know you really don't know anything about China. Spoilers: They hate the Qing and a very large number of their films are all about how lovely the Qing are.
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The Original Qings of Comedy.
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computer parts posted:It's good to know you really don't know anything about China. Of course the Qing are bad for being incompetent and losing the empire to foreigners, but do you really suggest that a foreign "lol China bad" series will get the same reception as a Chinese series?
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blowfish posted:Of course the Qing are bad for being incompetent and losing the empire to foreigners, but do you really suggest that a foreign "lol China bad" series will get the same reception as a Chinese series? Yep.
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I am somewhat rusty on my Ming and Qing history, but I vaguely recall that the Manchurians were made up of ethnic groups that fell outside of the traditional Han Chinese, and weren't really part of China until they invaded and established the Qing dynasty. That plus Puyi would probably be seen as a collaborator during the Sino-Japanese war.
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Nonsense posted:The Original Qings of Comedy. Can I nominate this for the new China thread title? Do I have to crosspost it over there?
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EasternBronze posted:In fact, I challenge you to give me a modern concept that has been important for securing the rights of people in modern society that won't get you arrested for advocating in China today. Go ahead, I'm waiting. Communism
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HorseLord posted:Communism Trap sprung buddy, number six is you aren't allowed to talk about the privilege of the wealthy, capitalist class. In fact, just talking about the vast wealth in certain parts of society can get you banned from the country forever. Try again! EasternBronze fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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this sure makes you seem smart & witty and also lends a lot of gravity to what you're saying
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Vagabundo posted:I am somewhat rusty on my Ming and Qing history, but I vaguely recall that the Manchurians were made up of ethnic groups that fell outside of the traditional Han Chinese, and weren't really part of China until they invaded and established the Qing dynasty. That is likely a major reason why The Last Emperor was allowed to film on location.
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Chomskyan posted:Hmm, what I'm getting from this is that you agree with EasternBronze's statement ah yes, the inscrutable ORIENTAL Chinese identity, which supersedes all class and profession and power dynamics that make Chineseland shittier or greater
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blowfish posted:ah yes, the inscrutable ORIENTAL Chinese identity, which supersedes all class and profession and power dynamics that make Chineseland shittier or greater
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computer parts posted:It's good to know you really don't know anything about China. the qing was bad because it failed to sustain the greatness of the chinese a movie directly attacking the chinese variety of east asian crypto-fascist ultranationalism would very much get people in china angry
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:On the other hand, the South Koreans deciding to flip the bird and start their own nuclear weapons program would be even worse. Providing missile defense coverage is a way for the US to maintain influence and leverage over their decision making process. I missed this when you first posted it, but I'm not convinced that we can't urge them against either course of action. The U.S. nuclear umbrella still covers South Korea pretty effectively. As nuts as Kim may be, it's unlikely that he'll be able to provoke a U.S. retaliatory strike without ending up with a bullet in his head from one of his generals. Not to mention, of course, the fact that South Korea would be in violation of international law if they were to try to make a nukes program.
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There's also that if North Korea goes around blowing places up, China just might nuke them for good measure, regardless of what the US does.
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fishmech posted:There's also that if North Korea goes around blowing places up, China just might nuke them for good measure, regardless of what the US does. Do you mean if NK uses nuclear weapons offensively, or are you saying that China's no first use policy is a bluff?
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Juffo-Wup posted:Do you mean if NK uses nuclear weapons offensively, or are you saying that China's no first use policy is a bluff? Every country besides maybe the Soviet Union for a few years, and 1945 America, has claimed a no first use policy for nuclear weapons. I don't really think any of them would hold to it if nuclear war type conditions came around.
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fishmech posted:Every country besides maybe the Soviet Union for a few years, and 1945 America, has claimed a no first use policy for nuclear weapons. I don't really think any of them would hold to it if nuclear war type conditions came around. The US has no such policy, unless I am mistaken.
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Juffo-Wup posted:The US has no such policy, unless I am mistaken. Obama stated this was his policy, though it's not the formal doctrine. https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/19/fact-sheet-nuclear-weapons-employment-strategy-united-states
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fishmech posted:There's also that if North Korea goes around blowing places up, China just might nuke them for good measure, regardless of what the US does. dprk isn't going to nuke anyone, don't be stupid
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Why would China randomly nuke North Korea in response to them nuking someone else when they can just roll in with 100,000 boots to enforce order?blowfish posted:China, run by people spouting a party line emphasising its proud 5000 year history (which has forever been and will forever be 5000 years, until it gets upgraded to 10000 years) of being the bestest most civilised country in the world, will definitely not object to anything that says China was at any point not one country, not civilised, or not the best. Um, there was that Jet Li movie recently about the founder of Wushu which takes place during a time of Western troops occupying parts of China. So yeah.
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Wong Fei-hong movies were longer ago, not sure if that's what you're referring to. But the emotion of that period is more of 'China is getting kicked around and needs to stand up for itself!' and less of 'the concept of China is different now than in the future.'
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Cliff Racer posted:Racest other? Thats bullshit. It sucks that when we have a modern day war movie we can't actually have our soldiers fighting the next biggest military power. There's nothing racist about that, they are a more credible threat than the lazy fill ins we've had recently. In terms of video games Dragon Rising and Red River I believe were well received in China because they were respectful of Chinese capabilities and professionalism. quote:Wong Fei-hong movies were longer ago, not sure if that's what you're referring to. But the emotion of that period is more of 'China is getting kicked around and needs to stand up for itself!' and less of 'the concept of China is different now than in the future.' I was responding to blowfish's post which doesn't have this nuance.
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Key winner here: Train spergs who take NK tours so they could see people (forced to still) use steam engines. Now they also get to take a train in to start their tours, in all likelihood.
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sincx posted:Looks like China finally got pissed enough at Kim the Third and/or is sufficiently bothered by THAAD. interesting. it seems china is finaly tired of NK's bullshit.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:interesting. it seems china is finaly tired of NK's bullshit. It really just corroborates the stories that China were getting sick of KJU being a stupid loving spoilt shithead.
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