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The worst thing about Predators is that it's a Predator movie without a single memorable kill.
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Feb 13, 2016 22:45
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Snowman_McK posted:The worst thing about Predators is that it's a Predator movie without a single memorable kill. The whole movie is entirely unmemorable. I absolutely saw it, but I remember almost nothing other than the kinda lovely twist ending you saw coming a mile away. I barely remember any predators in the movie, just a bunch of criminals and bad dudes arguing in the jungle then it's over. Few things in the movie made me angry, but nothing was interesting or exciting either. It was just bland and mediocre. At least a really bad movie can be entertaining and memorable.
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Feb 13, 2016 22:59
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Says you. I very much remember Walton Goggins' death scene. It owns.
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Feb 13, 2016 23:00
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Baronjutter posted:The whole movie is entirely unmemorable. I absolutely saw it, but I remember almost nothing other than the kinda lovely twist ending you saw coming a mile away. I barely remember any predators in the movie, just a bunch of criminals and bad dudes arguing in the jungle then it's over. Few things in the movie made me angry, but nothing was interesting or exciting either. It was just bland and mediocre. At least a really bad movie can be entertaining and memorable. I remember Lawrence Fishburne was in it. I remember some sort of strung up mutilated body in the woods. And that's literally all I can remember. It's one of those non-movies that barely stuck around in my brain even while I was watching it. Like Sin City 2, 300 2 and Now You See Me.
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Feb 13, 2016 23:03
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If you can't remember the part where the dude swordfights a predator I don't know what to tell you
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Feb 13, 2016 23:04
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Harime Nui posted:If you can't remember the part where the dude swordfights a predator I don't know what to tell you You'd think reading that sentence would bring back memories but nope.
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Feb 13, 2016 23:06
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Predators was so much fun in the theater. The crowed was into it, and everyone was cheering. I can't wait for Shane Black's Predator movie.
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Feb 13, 2016 23:14
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Tenzarin posted:Was kinda meh. Was expecting more gore. I wasn't talking about gore. Harime Nui posted:the aliens forcing the dude to have sex with his delimbed mother I was trying to play coy about this part, because  x 100.CelticPredator posted:It's Labyrinth. A comic book I brought to school when I was 8. Jesus god, dude 
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Feb 14, 2016 01:30
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Count me among those who totally saw predators in the theater and remembers pretty much nothing about it. Lawrence Fishburne's lair, and... Some kind of alien dog things? That's it. I think I remember more about the theater itself than the movie. Like, there was a whole family watching it - mom, dad, infant, toddler, and young grade school kid. I thought that was weird. Weirder even than me having seen all the alien & predator movies by the age of eight.. At least I had to sneak around to watch R-rated movies at my friend's house after his parents went to bed. And Labyrinth is, out of the handful of aliens comics I've read, definitely the best. I recommend it, but it's not so mind-blowing that it will necessarily stand up to being hyped to hell and back. Go into it after reading four lovely Aliens comics, though, and it will seem like Pulitzer material.
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Feb 14, 2016 01:39
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Labyrinth is the best alien related comic by far, but that's really really not saying much.
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Feb 14, 2016 01:52
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Harime Nui posted:If you can't remember the part where the dude swordfights a predator I don't know what to tell you That's the perfect example of the film's shortcomings. It's a blatant homage to Billy's death in the first Predator, but while that was a futile gesture, and he doesn't even die on screen, the small man with a short sword successfully swordfights a giant Alien. It 'reimagines' the scene into something completely loving toothless.
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Feb 14, 2016 02:34
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Snowman_McK posted:That's the perfect example of the film's shortcomings. It's a blatant homage to Billy's death in the first Predator, but while that was a futile gesture, and he doesn't even die on screen, the small man with a short sword successfully swordfights a giant Alien. It 'reimagines' the scene into something completely loving toothless. Billie didn't have Hanzo steel and he fought him on a log. SMERSH Mouth posted:Count me among those who totally saw predators in the theater and remembers pretty much nothing about it. Lawrence Fishburne's lair, and... Some kind of alien dog things? That's it. I think I remember more about the theater itself than the movie. Like, there was a whole family watching it - mom, dad, infant, toddler, and young grade school kid. I thought that was weird. Weirder even than me having seen all the alien & predator movies by the age of eight.. At least I had to sneak around to watch R-rated movies at my friend's house after his parents went to bed. Waiting for the part you say Prometheus is good.
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Feb 14, 2016 02:48
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Snowman_McK posted:That's the perfect example of the film's shortcomings. It's a blatant homage to Billy's death in the first Predator, but while that was a futile gesture, and he doesn't even die on screen, the small man with a short sword successfully swordfights a giant Alien. It 'reimagines' the scene into something completely loving toothless. Well yes. This is a big issue I have with the movie. And most Alien/Predator sequels. They rely way too much on nods and references. It's really annoying.
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Feb 14, 2016 02:50
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CelticPredator posted:Well yes. This is a big issue I have with the movie. And most Alien/Predator sequels. They rely way too much on nods and references. It's really annoying. Every movie with sequels does this.
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Feb 14, 2016 02:57
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Sure. But I still resent the Alien/Predator movies for doing it. They should aspire to something greater.
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Feb 14, 2016 03:28
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Delta Force can't teach you the secret techniques of the 893, bro.
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Feb 14, 2016 03:46
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CelticPredator posted:Well yes. This is a big issue I have with the movie. And most Alien/Predator sequels. They rely way too much on nods and references. It's really annoying. It's not just that it's an homage, it's an homage that is markedly worse than the original scene and misunderstands why the original scene works.
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Feb 14, 2016 04:42
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Snowman_McK posted:It's not just that it's an homage, it's an homage that is markedly worse than the original scene and misunderstands why the original scene works.
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Feb 14, 2016 04:57
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CelticPredator posted:Well yes. This is a big issue I have with the movie. And most Alien/Predator sequels. They rely way too much on nods and references. It's really annoying. Most of the things that you refer to as 'nods and references' are just themes.
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Feb 14, 2016 05:21
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Also it's been canon since Predator 2 that the one in the first movie was like this super-ancient fuckoff badass veteran of a thousand hunts and compared to him most Predators suck eggs raw, your average jerkoff unblooded crabface is stronger and tougher but can totally get their poo poo wrecked by a sufficiently tough human in melee so lol deal nerds
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Feb 14, 2016 05:39
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Harime Nui posted:Also it's been canon since Predator 2 that the one in the first movie was like this super-ancient fuckoff badass veteran of a thousand hunts and compared to him most Predators suck eggs raw, your average jerkoff unblooded crabface is stronger and tougher but can totally get their poo poo wrecked by a sufficiently tough human in melee so lol deal nerds And I'm saying this as one of the aforementioned Predator fanboys.
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Feb 14, 2016 06:13
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Xenomrph posted:I'm saying this as one of the aforementioned Predator fanboys.
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Feb 14, 2016 06:53
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Everblight posted:username and post do not compute
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Feb 14, 2016 06:59
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Predators are literally intergalactic big game hunters. They're not interested in fighting a tiger in hand-to-hand combat and the ones that do are kinda fuckin' dumb and probably get their asses mauled.
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Feb 14, 2016 07:36
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ImpAtom posted:Predators are literally intergalactic big game hunters. They're not interested in fighting a tiger in hand-to-hand combat and the ones that do are kinda fuckin' dumb and probably get their asses mauled. The first movie only shows us one Predator doing stuff, but right from the first sequel we've got a new Predator with very different (but still recognizable) armor and equipment, who uses different tactics and reacts to situations differently. And then to hammer the point home, the movie ends with another 9 Predators showing up, and they're all very obviously unique individuals, with unique armor, weapons, and even different skin colorations.  Just about the only thing "all" Predators have in common is that they hunt stuff, but what they hunt, why they do it, how they do it, etc, can be highly varied. The movies don't really explore this on anything other than a surface level (since the Predators are largely cast as "movie monster antagonists", so their pathos isn't exactly at the forefront), but some of the better comics, novels, and videogames tackle it from time to time. I find it really refreshing to see an extraterrestrial race that doesn't fall into the common Star Wars/Star Trek trope of every alien race being homogeneous, and it makes the Predators a good foil to the single-minded Aliens. Likewise it makes me roll my eyes a bit when people, Predator fanboys or not, say things like "the Predator in ____________ didn't act right". I feel like that's missing one of their biggest, most interesting aspects. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 07:56
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xeno do you add this stuff to wikis or something? I feel like you've enough knowledge stored it needs to be preserved in a better manner than CD posts.
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Feb 14, 2016 12:32
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I had a fan website back in the day that was sort of a proto-wiki, but I didn't have enough free time to maintain it. I've added some minor stuff to wikis here and there, but I just don't have the time or patience to argue with the kind of autistic hyper-spergs that wikis tend to attract.
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Feb 14, 2016 12:53
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Most of the things that you refer to as 'nods and references' are just themes. Only because you like them and want them to be.
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Feb 14, 2016 13:40
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I liked the opening of Predators with Brody just waking up in midair falling into the jungle, and smashing to the title. Also the scene where they see a panorama of moons and realize they aren't on earth. The use of red flares for light in Fishburne's lair also led to some pretty shots. Enjoyed it more than expected and much more than 2.
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Feb 14, 2016 17:20
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Predator 2 is amazing because it's like an 80s Italian and/or Cannon Films "aliens are cool? okay put one of those in, uh, vigilante cops are big right now and, uh, voodoo? Yeah throw it all in" movie except with actual actors and budget.
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Feb 14, 2016 17:25
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Xenomrph posted:I've added some minor stuff to wikis here and there, but I just don't have the time or patience to argue with the kind of autistic hyper-spergs that wikis tend to attract. CelticPredator posted:Only because you like them and want them to be. Also, the scene with Billy in the original Predator was the subversion of the "epic knife fight" trope. Predators wasn't a subversion of anything. It was a cliche "epic knife fight" complete with dumb fight poses and "his blade cut me, he moves so fast" bullshit. There's nothing subverting or interesting about it. It's like saying the heavy gunner guys death was a subversion of Jesse Ventura's character because he was Russian instead of American.
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Feb 14, 2016 17:53
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The "sword fight" between the Yakuza guy and the Predator was dumb as hell and thenlaziest possible way to end the laziest character in all of both franchises.
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Feb 14, 2016 18:11
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ruddiger posted:Also, the scene with Billy in the original Predator was the subversion of the "epic knife fight" trope. Predators wasn't a subversion of anything. It was a cliche "epic knife fight" complete with dumb fight poses and "his blade cut me, he moves so fast" bullshit. There's nothing subverting or interesting about it. That's a cool opinion and you're welcome to it. If you don't recognize a subversion when you see it, then that's okay too.  By definition, when a scene is set up one way (especially when it's identical to a scene another movie in the same series) and plays out another way, that's a subversion. And you're wrong: the huge, seemingly gruff Russian with a mini gun who ends up being a family man and the friendliest, most caring character in the group is very much a subversion of Jesse Ventura's ultra-macho badass with a mini gun. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 18:24
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This thread is the first time I've ever even read of his death being compared to Billy's. Everything about how it's shot and done is done to evoke cheap Yakuza flicks and the guys with swords charging at each other for one fatal slash seen in a billion Japanese movies and comics since the 50s. That they both die instead of one of them isn't even subversion of anything.
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Feb 14, 2016 19:00
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CelticPredator posted:Sure. But I still resent the Alien/Predator movies for doing it. They should aspire to something greater. This is really what they should aspire to: https://youtu.be/33qOEdNJDtk
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Feb 14, 2016 19:59
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Neo Rasa posted:This thread is the first time I've ever even read of his death being compared to Billy's. Everything about how it's shot and done is done to evoke cheap Yakuza flicks and the guys with swords charging at each other for one fatal slash seen in a billion Japanese movies and comics since the 50s. That they both die instead of one of them isn't even subversion of anything. Here, I'll describe a scene from a Predator movie: The silent warrior character willingly stays behind to face down the alien monster in honorable single combat using bladed weapons. Which movie did I just describe?
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Feb 14, 2016 21:32
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Xenomrph posted:Things can be a subversion/homage of more than one thing at a time. If only you included the outcome. Because that's what makes one of them interesting and the other not.
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Feb 14, 2016 22:15
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Snowman_McK posted:If only you included the outcome. Because that's what makes one of them interesting and the other not. I will say that it would have been a more deliberate subversion if it had been shot exactly like Billy's death (not showing Hanzo killed, only hearing him scream), only to reveal later that he hadn't died and had actually defeated the Predator.
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Feb 14, 2016 22:29
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I forget, did they explicitly say Hanzo was descended from the dead samurai they found in that cave? I seem to recall he spots a mon or something on the armor and says something like "this man was my ancestor," with the implication the Predators follow certain human bloodlines to look for worthy opponents but this could be an elaborate headcanon that's grown into a fake memory I guess? e: Also now that I'm thinking about it, wasn't the woman supposed to be Bolivian Army but got changed to being IDF at the last moment for... some reason? Hence the line about jungles that makes absolutely no sense. (I mean, there are no jungles in Bolivia either but at least that puts her on the right continent?) Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Feb 14, 2016 |
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Feb 14, 2016 22:49
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Xenomrph posted:I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. That would have been way, way worse. So well done.
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Feb 14, 2016 22:54
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