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Harime Nui posted:I forget, did they explicitly say Hanzo was descended from the dead samurai they found in that cave? I seem to recall he spots a mon or something on the armor and says something like "this man was my ancestor," with the implication the Predators follow certain human bloodlines to look for worthy opponents but this could be an elaborate headcanon that's grown into a fake memory I guess? Snowman_McK posted:That would have been way, way worse. So well done. 
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Xenomrph posted:I personally never made that connection, but it's also been a while since I watched the movie. I may have assumed it just because Hanzo is a very famous Samurai name.
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I mean...look who produced it.
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So now we know what eventually happened to The Bride and El Mariachi.... 
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Harime Nui posted:I may have assumed it just because Hanzo is a very famous Samurai name. Having said that I don't think they actually say his name in the movie, but that's true of several of the characters.
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Xenomrph posted:It's kind of a low-hanging-fruit if you're gonna give your honorable yakuza/samurai character the most stereotypical name possible. It's a reference to Hattori Hanzo. From Kill Bill. The producer is good friends with the director of that picture, if you recall. Also, the only characters named in the film are Nikoli, Royce and Isabelle.
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Hattori Hanzo is a way older reference than Kill Bill.
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Sure. But considering the players involved, you know....
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CelticPredator posted:Sure. But considering the players involved, you know.... It would honestly not surprise me if Rodriguez thought Tarantino invented that name.
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I'm sure it's very specifically a joke about the Predator being no match for Hanzo('s) steel. Also the guy in Kill Bill who plays Hattori Hanzo is literally playing the descendant of Hattori Hanzo the 16th-century ninja, who in a famous TV series in the 70s was portrayed by that same actor. Layered referencing! I'm going to assume this puts Predators in the same universe as El Mariachi/Kill Bill/From Dusk Till Dawn tho. Maybe there's just one really unlucky family of dudes in Mexico who all look like Danny Trejo. One got turned into a vampire, one got abducted by aliens, and one got strangled by Mickey Rourke.
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Snowman_McK posted:It would honestly not surprise me if Rodriguez thought Tarantino invented that name. lol.
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oldpainless posted:Predator was a great movie Predator is amazing.
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CelticPredator posted:It's a reference to Hattori Hanzo. From Kill Bill. 
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How did Hattori Hanzo get his swords so drat sharp? (Literally just watched Kill Bill like 5 minutes ago come at me).
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Xenomrph posted:Things can be a subversion/homage of more than one thing at a time. The Mummy Returns, famed for how it was cunningly subverted in the film Predators Harime Nui posted:I forget, did they explicitly say Hanzo was descended from the dead samurai they found in that cave? I seem to recall he spots a mon or something on the armor and says something like "this man was my ancestor," with the implication the Predators follow certain human bloodlines to look for worthy opponents but this could be an elaborate headcanon that's grown into a fake memory I guess? They do not. Hanzo only has two lines. "I talk too much" while showing how he's missing some digits after another character comments on how he doesn't talk too much. The other is "This is very old" while looking at the samurai equipment in the wrecked ship. I had no idea that other character was originally meant to be Bolivian, weird change. I remember Ebert's review of Predators, I think like half the review was just about how the Predator bloodhound alien dogs were dumb as poo poo because their tusks stuck like two feet straight out, so how the hell do they move in a way to get food into their mouths? oldpainless posted:Predator is a great movie
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Neo Rasa posted:They do not. Hanzo only has two lines. "I talk too much" while showing how he's missing some digits after another character comments on how he doesn't talk too much. The other is "This is very old" while looking at the samurai equipment in the wrecked ship. I had no idea that other character was originally meant to be Bolivian, weird change. Hunh. I guess I completely invented that whole thing. 
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I read the predators script a year before the movie came out and the sniper was a shape shifting alien and Arnold's character steps out of predator ship smoking a cigar at the end and thinking the whole thing was complete dogshit then the movie came out and it was to my horror the same exact poo poo I read minus those two things.
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Predators was fine. It was not as weirdly terrible/interesting as AVP2 and it wasn't as great as Predator. 'Fine' isn't glowing praise, but it's not damning either. The movie is just above average quality. It's one of those movies where I can imagine a different cut being a much better film.
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exquisite tea posted:I don't consider Alien 3 to be a bad movie, but I don't think I ever really accepted the premise because I never believed that Ripley's character arc required a third act. The final scene of her and Newt sleeping together in the pod at the conclusion of Aliens was a perfect ending for the character in a better movie, so the entirety of Alien 3 has always felt like a ponderous and unnecessary epilogue to me. I feel like the Alien series in general has kind of lost its way by repeatedly and tortuously returning to the Ripley character, although I guess the non-Ripley Alien properties haven't fared much better, on balance. I haven't seen the cut, but does it take things out too? Because I can't take the movie seriously when it includes two doofuses running from the alien hitting each other in a hallway then standing around making jokes until they die or half the other silly poo poo in that movie. They should have just worked on Gibson's script. Setting the whole thing around Bishop & Hicks was inspired. Harime Nui posted:Also the guy in Kill Bill who plays Hattori Hanzo is literally playing the descendant of Hattori Hanzo the 16th-century ninja, who in a famous TV series in the 70s was portrayed by that same actor. Also of video game fame To a kneeling student: Act like a volcano, and blow! Samurai Showdown has the best bad English conversion Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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One thing I give Predators is that it make the pedators themselves unpredictable and dangerous again. For some reason everything after Predator 2 decided to turn them into noble space samurai who are obsessed with honor and space bushido. The monster in the original Predator had a vague sense of sportsmanship, but it was just an intergalactic big game hunter. It literally waited until the moment it knew it could make a kill without any danger to itself before striking. The most ironic part is that the entire "it won't kill an unarmed person because there's no sport" idea is that Schwarzenegger's character is assuming that's the reason it didn't kill the rebel woman. It could have very well been that the space game warden said human females weren't in season.
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Its a miracle Predator even made it to fruition, let alone be such a great movie. Filming in Mexico was arduous and food sickness hit the crew hard. It was John McTiernan's first studio film so he was unproven and watched by the studio. Sonny Landham was not easy to work with and had to be watched constantly. You had Jean Claude Van Damme assaulting stunt men and being a diva and he dropped out/got fired during filming and the original Predator concept was apparently loving terrible. The iconic design was after McTiernan asked Stan Winston for help who then got help from James Cameron.
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oldpainless posted:Its a miracle Predator even made it to fruition, let alone be such a great movie. Filming in Mexico was arduous and food sickness hit the crew hard. It was John McTiernan's first studio film so he was unproven and watched by the studio. Sonny Landham was not easy to work with and had to be watched constantly. You had Jean Claude Van Damme assaulting stunt men and being a diva and he dropped out/got fired during filming and the original Predator concept was apparently loving terrible. The iconic design was after McTiernan asked Stan Winston for help who then got help from James Cameron. This is totally true about Van Damme and the costume. If they stuck with him and it Predator would be like Forbidden World/Mutant levels of bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1GfUoB0kog
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Harime Nui posted:So now we know what eventually happened to The Bride and El Mariachi.... That would've been funny if they came across a guitar case full of guns in Lawrence Fishburne's weapon's cache.
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oldpainless posted:Its a miracle Predator even made it to fruition, let alone be such a great movie. Filming in Mexico was arduous and food sickness hit the crew hard. It was John McTiernan's first studio film so he was unproven and watched by the studio. Sonny Landham was not easy to work with and had to be watched constantly. You had Jean Claude Van Damme assaulting stunt men and being a diva and he dropped out/got fired during filming and the original Predator concept was apparently loving terrible. The iconic design was after McTiernan asked Stan Winston for help who then got help from James Cameron. Jean Claude Van Damme wasn't the predator.
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Tenzarin posted:Jean Claude Van Damme wasn't the predator. Another fun fact: the Predator's clicks, growls, and roars were performed by Peter "Optimus Prime" Cullen.
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Xenomrph posted:He was originally, prior to Stan Winston completely redesigning the Predator costume. There's test footage of Van Damme in the early suit. Huh, I'd have guessed Frank Welker based on "animal sounds"
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Wild T posted:One thing I give Predators is that it make the pedators themselves unpredictable and dangerous again. For some reason everything after Predator 2 decided to turn them into noble space samurai who are obsessed with honor and space bushido. The monster in the original Predator had a vague sense of sportsmanship, but it was just an intergalactic big game hunter. It literally waited until the moment it knew it could make a kill without any danger to itself before striking. Agreed. It was cool the first time in Predator 2 but by now "Predator admires human's Burning Spirit, spares/teams up with them" is such a lame EU cliche. The thing I love about the Predator in the first one is he basically triggers his bomb and then makes sure Dutch knows what's about to happen, and basically goes "nyeh nyeh nyeh you're gonna die anyway!" because he's such a sore loser.
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Yeah I imagine Predators just have a regular society back home and much like with humans, only the absolute worst examples of their species have the funds and interest travel across the galaxy just to go trophy hunting. Like the same sort of scum that travel off to Africa to hunt lions, or all the Germans who come to BC to shoot bears (generally illegally).
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Harime Nui posted:Agreed. It was cool the first time in Predator 2 but by now "Predator admires human's Burning Spirit, spares/teams up with them" is such a lame EU cliche. The thing I love about the Predator in the first one is he basically triggers his bomb and then makes sure Dutch knows what's about to happen, and basically goes "nyeh nyeh nyeh you're gonna die anyway!" because he's such a sore loser. That was one of the most entertaining things about the Predator in AvPR, he flat out didn't give a gently caress about the humans caught in the crossfire. The unrated version of the movie even has another scene or two where he terminates some humans just because they're in his way.
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The Konami game is still the best AvP thing made for sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xgff_VC8bI It's time to hunt! 
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Just for fact-checking's sake, the arcade game was made by Capcom, not Konami. I know turning Alien Vs Predator into a multiplayer beat-em-up is more of a Konami thing to do, so I understand the confusion. It would have been more like Capcom to turn it into a one-on-one fighting game and then a year later introduce Alien Vs Predator Vs Street Fighter. You get the feeling Capcom could have picked up the Seinfeld license and turn it into a fighting game because what the hell else are they going to make. Likewise Konami had The Simpsons and made a multiplayer beat-em-up out of it because, well, what the hell else are they going to make?
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Awp my bad. What I remember about it is the game was in a movie theater lobby across town back in the late 90s/early 2000s. I used to buy my ticket an hour early so I could waste time on that fucker and I never got past level 2
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lizardman posted:Just for fact-checking's sake, the arcade game was made by Capcom, not Konami. I know turning Alien Vs Predator into a multiplayer beat-em-up is more of a Konami thing to do, so I understand the confusion. It would have been more like Capcom to turn it into a one-on-one fighting game and then a year later introduce Alien Vs Predator Vs Street Fighter. Capcom actually did a lot of beat 'em ups. They're responsible for FInal Fight, the really excellent Dungeons and Dragons beat 'em ups, Captain Commando, Knight of the Round, X-Men for the SNES, crazy stuff like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs... for a good chunk of time beat 'em ups were their thing.
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^^ You can still find random little arcade corners at multiplexes at least.ImpAtom posted:Capcom actually did a lot of beat 'em ups. They're responsible for FInal Fight, the really excellent Dungeons and Dragons beat 'em ups, Captain Commando, Knight of the Round, X-Men for the SNES, crazy stuff like Cadillacs and Dinosaurs... for a good chunk of time beat 'em ups were their thing. Haha yep, you're right. I just have this stereotype in my head of Capcom turning any random license into a fighting game (at the time their X-men game seemed a little odd to me, like why are Cyclops and Storm fighting each other?) and Konami doing the same with beat-em-ups (again, The Simpsons?!). Also Capcom's arcade X-Men game being a fighting game and Konami's arcade X-men game being a beat-em-up help reinforce the notion. Anyways, more back on topic, I forgot all about the Shane Black Predator movie. Apparently it has "The Predator" for a title? EDIT: Errr, forgot this is an Alien thread (and specifically an Alien 3 thread at that) so a new Predator movie isn't really THAT on topic...
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Eh this has been the catch-all Alien/Predator/AvP/Prometheus thread for a while, at least until we get more substantial movie news that warrants splitting off into another thread.
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On topic huh? Well, I've heard two stories about Ridley Scott that seem contradictory to me. There was a rumor making the rounds for a couple months after Prometheus came out that Sir Ridley never really had any interest in returning to the Alien franchise----what he wanted to do was make a movie about Ancient Aliens (that kind of Chariots of the Gods stuff being a personal fascination for him) and to get Fox to finance it he talked up the concept to them as being "an Alien prequel" while actually marginalizing the presence of the Alien mythos in the movie itself as much as possible. Then on the other hand more recently it was rumored(?) that Ridley used his pull at Fox to shut down or "postpone (with an implied indefinitely)" Neill Blomkamp's Alien movie----and this was when his Prometheus sequel (which as I understood was initially just titled Paradise) became "the next Alien movie" (with a title change to Alien: Covenant). Backing this up I've also heard Ridley was actually never happy with James Cameron's whole take on the franchise or his addition of the Queen aliens and hives, and won't even consider Aliens 'canon' to his version. So, uh.... does it seem odd to anyone else Ridley Scott might have 'returned' to the alien franchise back in 2010 only as a screen for the story he really wanted to write but seems so highly protective/territorial of it now? Do you think once he got back in the saddle he started to change his mind? Do you think he really believes in ancient astronauts?
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