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MrWilderheap posted:When you say "American-made shadow figure", are you asking if the group itself was American made, or are you talking about the narrative surrounding the group? The formation of AQ itself was a lot more complicated than "America funded religious fundamentalists fighting the Soviets and thus al-qaeda was born." But I think most here would agree that the Bush administration pushed a narrative that vastly overstated their scope and power. There was a point where they showed a clip of Osama surrounded by guys in camo and AK47s and it was stated they were all hired, and they were using their own guns. It was said they had very few members. They also showed the mountain fortress photo that Rumsfeld brought out, and how that also was not real. But yes, basically the US enhanced their actual threat.
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Boon posted:Right now I feel the same way about US Politics as I did after the series finale of Breaking Bad. Saturday's events were such a culmination of amazing that I'm not sure what to do with myself while I wait for that next sweet, sweet hit of news. Could somebody give me a play-by-play of the highlights from Saturday's debate? I missed it and I feel like I lost out on something special. All I know about is Ted Cruz's attempted retort to Marco Rubio in Spanish. Also, sorry if this is Primarychat, but how on earth is George W. Bush stumping for his brother Jeb(!)?  I thought after being shamed out of office in 2008 Dubya would be banished from the light of day for the next thousand years (ie stay unassuming and out of the media attention especially politics) and that his association would be political poison, and yet here we are.Plus, Jeb! Is doubling down on the "my brother kept us safe [after 9/11]" line in addition to how W. Bush had no idea 9/11 would happen despite evidence to the contrary. And - if NPR is being accurate - there are still fans of W. Bush rallying for him over Jeb(!)! This election season is topsy-turvy, crazy cuckoo, do-do bird Wackyland and it just keeps getting stranger week after week.
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I thought people had convinced themselves that GW was actually a Good President since they don't want to admit to themselves that their guy was cartoonishly awful and won one election under dubious circumstances and another thanks to the help of the largest terrorist attack on US soil.
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Off the top of my head (there was a lot going on), - Group fellation of a dead Supreme Court justice - Carson basically zoning out and having no idea about anything - Kasich going "look at all these clowns, jesus christ!" (not verbatim, it was something like "Man, oh jeez" and then a spiel on national unity blahblah) - Cruz and Rubio arguing for an extended period on who's harsher on immigration - Trump going after Cruz for the Iowa shenanigans - Jeb: "My mother is a great woman!" Trump: "She should run for president instead, then!" - Trump pissing all over GWB and the Iraq War. "Your brother kept us safe? I lost hundreds of friends on 9/11! Your brother was president then!" Just go watch it on YouTube, I haven't watched a GOP debate in full since the very first one last year and it was amazing.
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Joementum posted:Finally, an answer to Mitt Romney's question from 2008. That's Great.
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Feb 16, 2016 14:45
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W is fairly well liked in SC for who knows what reason. And in any republican area W brings a strong whiff of "hey remember when Obama wasn't the president? Wasn't that great?"
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Antti posted:- Jeb: "My mother is a great woman!" This is such a sick burn JEB should have just left the race right there.
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 Those are pretty god drat brutal, jesus. Especially the one about 9/11. It's so refreshing to finally see someone tear down the whole "Bush kept us safe" bullshit the republicans have somehow managed to spin into commonly accepted "truth". It's the one thing Bush W can point at as not being a complete failure at and Ttump just took a giant dump on that.
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Shifty Pony posted:W is fairly well liked in SC for who knows what reason. Because people here are really, really loving stupid and are slaves to identity politics. I have been told countless times that the Bush tax cuts were good for the middle class because 'my paycheck went up' (it didn't). Explaining effective tax rates here is akin to slamming your dick in an oven door for all eternity.
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Trump is not the hero we need, but the one we deserve.
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Speaking of Jeb and Trump, if you get a chance you should check out Jeb's new website at https://www.jebbush.com The domain lapsed and Trump bought it up before Jeb could renew it, if it wasn't obvious.
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Artix posted:Speaking of Jeb and Trump, if you get a chance you should check out Jeb's new website at https://www.jebbush.com How do you run a campaign and not have a dedicated IT person / Social Media person that can check on things like "when the webpage domain name runs out" and not buy it for 5 years to prevent this from happening?
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There was also Trump saying that Cruz was "The worst liar, probably worse than Jeb." Just the idea that Jeb is being used as an almost-afterthought insult is amazing.
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CannonFodder posted:How do you run a campaign and not have a dedicated IT person / Social Media person that can check on things like "when the webpage domain name runs out" and not buy it for 5 years to prevent this from happening? There's going to be a great Jeb tell-all campaign post mortem book.
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Game Change 3: Now a Motion Picture Event! the game change hbo film was amazing and i can't wait for more
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There was also the amazing follow up from Jeb! about how Trump doesn't respect women. Rubio was also stumping for Jeb!, too, with the whole GWB KEPT US SAFE I WOULDN'T WANT AL GORE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Also Cruz didn't rebuke any of Trump's "you're a slimy, lying piece of poo poo" stuff. It was loving insanity start to finish.
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Tender Bender posted:There was also Trump saying that Cruz was "The worst liar, probably worse than Jeb." Just the idea that Jeb is being used as an almost-afterthought insult is amazing.
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Speaking of the worst liar Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump says he is "very seriously" considering suing GOP rival Sen. Ted Cruz. "I’m thinking about it very seriously," Trump told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos on "Good Morning America" today. "I’ve never dealt with anybody who lies like him." Trump pointed to his own positions on gun rights, as well as the dismantling of President Obama's signature health care law, saying that the Texas senator was misleading voters about his stances. "Ted Cruz is a liar," he said. "I think he's a very unstable person. I have never had somebody take something you believe in and say the exact opposite." Trump also criticized Cruz over mailers from his campaign in Iowa, which claimed some voters had a "voter violation." "What he did to Ben Carson was a disgrace," Trump said. "That election in Iowa should be taken away from him." Trump also continued his criticism of former President George W. Bush for his handling of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. "Had we had my immigration policies in effect, those people wouldn't have been in the country for the most part," Trump said. "I don't know if [Bush] lied or not. I know the CIA and other agencies knew something bad was going to happen. They did nothing about it." Bush, who was on the campaign trail with his brother Jeb last night, stood by his leadership. "Strength is not empty rhetoric. It is not bluster. It is not theatrics,” George W. Bush said. “This is a serious election for a serious job." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-suing-ted-cruz/story?id=36967528
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Feb 16, 2016 15:58
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As if Jeb wasn't already a flawed general election candidate, pounding the campaign trail with GWB isn't exactly going to help.
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Artix posted:Speaking of Jeb and Trump, if you get a chance you should check out Jeb's new website at https://www.jebbush.com I think it's been like that for a little while actually.
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Jesus, Trump running is worth it if only because he's putting so many drat holes in W's legacy of a 'strong leader' when he royally hosed up 9/11 and everything after by pointing out the emperor has never had any clothes.
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US Marshals arresting people for not paying their federal student loansquote:Believe it or not, the US Marshals Service in Houston is arresting people for not paying their outstanding federal student loans.
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I don't think it's fair for the US Marshals to be stumping so blatantly for Bernie.
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Oracle posted:Jesus, Trump running is worth it if only because he's putting so many drat holes in W's legacy of a 'strong leader' when he royally hosed up 9/11 and everything after by pointing out the emperor has never had any clothes. The best thing is how much it's working. They wouldn't listen to any "lie-beral" or "Demonrat" who told the truth, and if anyone mentioned it on the MSM (not that they ever did) everyone would get painted with the utterly idiotic "Liberal Media" brush. And then you have Trump, the biggest loving rear end in a top hat ever showing the Republicans that if they want to make their elections a circus, well then this is how circuses are done in the modern day! And anything he says is suddenly the gospel, doubly so if its something that's true but the Republican voters weren't allowed to admit because of identity politics. Now that Trump is saying it, it's suddenly okay to admit that maybe the Bush years weren't so hot, and we'd probably not like Jeb. no matter how much the establishment was. After all, Jeb.'s campaign doesn't promise to bring back the ability for the white man to use racial slurs in day-to-day conversations with the obviously uncomfortable millenial cashier like Trump's does. And that's the real hot issue this year.
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I feel like we as a nation gave the W admin a pass on 9/11 because it was so horrific and so bizarre it seemed like no one could have expected it. Before this Trump stuff I'd say that there was more public discourse on whether Bush caused/knew about 9/11 beforehand as a cassus belli for the Iraq War than if 9/11 occurred due to negligence on the part of the GWB administration.
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DemeaninDemon posted:I'd say go for it quote:if you think we're civil enough to not devolve into pages of he said she said. poo poo You ever notice how the right wing dystopian horror stories of what will befall white middle class suburban dwellers are just the day to day life for non-white poor city folk?
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CannonFodder posted:How do you run a campaign and not have a dedicated IT person / Social Media person that can check on things like "when the webpage domain name runs out" and not buy it for 5 years to prevent this from happening? Because Jeb! is a total chump and a
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So... what, exactly, is the point of this? Assuming you can't literally dump someone in jail for debt, how is arresting some guy and forcing him to sign a payment plan for a debt he's already not paying a worthwhile use of anyone's time? What's the end goal here?
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Paradoxish posted:So... what, exactly, is the point of this? Assuming you can't literally dump someone in jail for debt, how is arresting some guy and forcing him to sign a payment plan for a debt he's already not paying a worthwhile use of anyone's time? What's the end goal here? Also, what does 1500 dollars turn into after 30 years of interest accumulation?
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Fried Chicken posted:Savage predicted that Sanders would impose “naked communism in this country” and “use the street gangs that burned down Baltimore, the street gangs that burned down Ferguson, they will use them as government enforcers as sure as I’m sitting here, they will deputize them, they’ll give them green uniforms and they’ll be used to intimidate the middle class as sure as I’m sitting here.” quote:He then put his own spin on Martin Niemöller’s Holocaust-era poem, “First they came for the socialists…”: “First they came for the rich, but you were not rich and you did not stand up for the rich; then they came for the middle class, but you didn’t stand up for the middle class because you were not even of the middle class; and then when they started to come up for the poor there was no one else to stand up for you because everyone else was taken out.” Oh my god
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Artix posted:Speaking of Jeb and Trump, if you get a chance you should check out Jeb's new website at https://www.jebbush.com This is pretty old I think. Jeb2016.com has been their main site the entire election and was registered 2010-02-22. It looks like the jebbush.com site was renewed last week until 2024, but I found articles from 2014 saying it was redirecting to other sites. Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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zoux posted:I feel like we as a nation gave the W admin a pass on 9/11 because it was so horrific and so bizarre it seemed like no one could have expected it. Before this Trump stuff I'd say that there was more public discourse on whether Bush caused/knew about 9/11 beforehand as a cassus belli for the Iraq War than if 9/11 occurred due to negligence on the part of the GWB administration. After watching the mess of the Benghazi investigations it's pretty clear how 9/11 would have been treated had Gore been president at the time. There would be no pass given and I would bet that before the bodies had been cleared there would have been congressmen bringing up the topic of impeachment.
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Paradoxish posted:So... what, exactly, is the point of this? Assuming you can't literally dump someone in jail for debt, how is arresting some guy and forcing him to sign a payment plan for a debt he's already not paying a worthwhile use of anyone's time? What's the end goal here? I've read an article that debtors prisons are making a de facto comeback in the USA, so maybe this is related.
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Radish posted:After watching the mess of the Benghazi investigations it's pretty clear how 9/11 would have been treated had Gore been president at the time. There would be no pass given and I would bet that before the bodies had been cleared there would have been congressmen bringing up the topic of impeachment. I don't think that that version of the GOP existed in 2001. I think it would've been about the same.
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zoux posted:I don't think that that version of the GOP existed in 2001. I think it would've been about the same. There also wasn't an overwhelming majority one way or the other in congress if I remember correctly.
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Fried Chicken posted:Savage predicted that Sanders would impose “naked communism in this country” and “use the street gangs that burned down Baltimore, the street gangs that burned down Ferguson, they will use them as government enforcers as sure as I’m sitting here, they will deputize them, they’ll give them green uniforms and they’ll be used to intimidate the middle class as sure as I’m sitting here.” So a literal reenactment of R. Crumb's "When the Niggers Take Over". I know that I am truly human scum because part of this sounds just to me. Curse this monkey brain! E: Scream, honkey, scream.
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