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KildarX posted:It is me. I am the one Bicep Slicing people who are countering my legitimate arm bar through hand holding. I never ever slice because it's ungentlemanly. Time for me to have fun explaining this in prose (it's a stat today so I have time to waste  )I always control the targeted arm with the foot-side arm when armbarring. I do so by trapping it with a cross-body rnc-ish grip grabbing my own gi or shoulder, which is a habit I developed from judo (so if I throw someone right-handed I have uke's right sleeve in my left hand, which I pass off into my right arm, pinned against my sternum - uke's head will be under my left leg). If uke gets the arms connected, I'll use my free head-side (left) hand to grab uke's wrist and rotate it toward uke's head while digging my foot-side (right) foot into the crook of the defending arm. That breaks the grip even against very large and very strong people, with no rude slicing.
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I usually re-watch Firas' armbar finishers whenever I need a refresher or find myself getting stuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzO6NEicUw
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Feb 15, 2016 21:37
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origami posted:Oh ok so you were practicing your escape and he was practicing his submission and....you got submitted. And the guy is a dick because... because..... he can probably get my hands separated by putting his forearm on my forearm to break my grip which doesnt hurt me the next day but instead goes straight for the bicep (which does hurt me the next day) Are you honestly that dense or just makes you feel super cool being a passive aggressive idiot online. I swear some of you guys argue the most loving retarded poo poo sometimes.
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Feb 15, 2016 23:58
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I land more bicep crushes against armbar defense than I do actual armbars, by a significant margin. You can post with your free hand, then step over and triangle your legs for a really nasty one, it's kind of hard to explain but it's a cool sub. e: here's awesome sambo guy Vlad Koulikov showing what I'm talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqdxZnF7QFc Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 00:00
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The bicep slicer to break the clasp is an absolute ace way to finish the armbar. That being said I can see how it may be seen as "ungentlemanly." I kind of want someone to make a DVD of those kinds of finishes. Things like the bicep slicer to break the grip, fist to the neck to finish a triangle, wrist lock from omo plata, etc.Mechafunkzilla posted:I land more bicep slicers againts armbar defense than I do actually armbars, by a significant margin. You can post with your free hand, then step over and triangle your legs for a really nasty one, it's kind of hard to explain but it's a cool sub. This is probably the most painful bicep slicer of all.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:03
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Nierbo posted:because..... he can probably get my hands separated by putting his forearm on my forearm to break my grip which doesnt hurt me the next day but instead goes straight for the bicep (which does hurt me the next day) Are you honestly that dense or just makes you feel super cool being a passive aggressive idiot online. I swear some of you guys argue the most loving retarded poo poo sometimes. You brought it up, nobody else here seems to agree with you and on top of that I would say you're being passive aggressive by complaining about it on an online forum.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:06
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ch3cooh posted:The bicep slicer to break the clasp is an absolute ace way to finish the armbar. That being said I can see how it may be seen as "ungentlemanly." I kind of want someone to make a DVD of those kinds of finishes. Things like the bicep slicer to break the grip, fist to the neck to finish a triangle, wrist lock from omo plata, etc. My favorite scumbag method to beat armbar defense is when you're going for the arm from knee on belly, wiggling the point of your elbow down into their ribs.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:07
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Mechafunkzilla posted:My favorite scumbag method to beat armbar defense is when you're going for the arm from knee on belly, wiggling the point of your elbow down into their ribs. I do this from the kimura trap setup when I'm postured and have their head and shoulder pinned with my legs.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:09
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origami posted:I do this from the kimura trap setup when I'm postured and have their head and shoulder pinned with my legs. This too except also go right into a head scissors choke  e: kind of like this handsome and talented man who I've never met before  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmSMIBJWvY8 Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 00:10
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Mechafunkzilla posted:This too except also go right into a head scissors choke Haha I need to start doing this more. I'm always focused on trying to break their lapel grip while using the least amount of real estate possible.
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Feb 16, 2016 00:11
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Liver shot KO's are the worst because you feel every single second of it. The last time I got KO'd with a liver shot my vision went completely white and I came to cursing a blue streak at my instructor in a weak squeaking voice as the rest of the class looked on aghast. There are some Stick grappling techniques that are unfuckingbelievably painful if you ever have the misfortune to get caught in them. Imagine a guillotine choke but it's a rattan stick across your windpipe/jaw instead of a nice, fleshy arm. That poo poo sucks. Edit: oh wait here's one. The Dog Bros are certifiable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZfbZRda3r0 Oh, and one time I think my hip popped out of it's socket and every vertebrae in my back popped after I threw a leg kick and had my legs kicked out from under me as I was pulling back the kick. I somehow sat on my own knee? My poo poo is still all hosed from that one. I can't wait to start training again.
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Feb 16, 2016 03:43
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Nierbo posted:because..... he can probably get my hands separated by putting his forearm on my forearm to break my grip which doesnt hurt me the next day but instead goes straight for the bicep (which does hurt me the next day) Are you honestly that dense or just makes you feel super cool being a passive aggressive idiot online. I swear some of you guys argue the most loving retarded poo poo sometimes. No dude. The bicep slicer is not something that just hurts so that you will release your grip, it's a legit submission that will break your arm and/or dislocate your elbow when applied properly. If you're getting caught in it and not tapping to the point where you're getting your arm hurt, that is 100% on you. This isn't like a training partner being a jerk by jamming his elbow into your neck in side control or whatever, you might as well be saying your training partner shouldn't be going for armbars because if you get caught in them and don't tap your arm will get hurt. It makes no sense. If you don't encounter these subs in training and learn to respect them, you'll turn into one of those people who gets horrifically mangled in competition because they thought something was a "pain submission" and they didn't need to tap. I see this poo poo all the time with ankle locks. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 03:45
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What's up with the asshats in BJJ class that grab your uniform 0-o ? Like the sleeves and stuff.
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Feb 16, 2016 03:52
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You sound like when two kids are playing Tekken and one kid starts yelling that it isn't fair because you can't use throws or counters or something because he thinks they're cheap, or when you're playing Starcraft and the other guy says "no rush 15 min, bro". Like you're being defeated by something and it annoys you so you start imposing an imagined set of rules on the encounter and then getting mad when other people don't follow the fiction you created. You know that bicep slicers will make you elbow explode laterally, right? Your forearm will be hanging like a piece of spaghetti until they reconstruct your elbow with rods and plates.
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Feb 16, 2016 04:32
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They sound really rad to me at this point. I have never done one.
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Feb 16, 2016 16:13
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Nierbo posted:because..... he can probably get my hands separated by putting his forearm on my forearm to break my grip which doesnt hurt me the next day but instead goes straight for the bicep (which does hurt me the next day) Are you honestly that dense or just makes you feel super cool being a passive aggressive idiot online. I swear some of you guys argue the most loving retarded poo poo sometimes. Speaking of arguing the most loving retarded poo poo, thats not what passive aggressive actually means. If youre being passive aggressive you make yourself the target of your own negative behaviors, if you make it clear you have a problem with what someone is saying/doing its not passive aggression, no matter how oblique youre being about it. A classic example of passive aggression would actually be refusing to tap out to a pain-based submission and letting yourself get hurt because you have a problem with people using those submissions
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Novum posted:They sound really rad to me at this point. I have never done one. If you're talking about Bicep Slicers there's a really cool and easy one you can do from Spider Guard if you lasso your leg around one of their arms and bait them into attempting a pass. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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 Went to a seminar over the weekend. I'm all set to cripple everyone I know. Now that'd be a dick move. Seriously though, Garry teaches a really good seminar, highly recommended if he does one near you. KildarX posted:If you're talking about Bicep Slicers there's a really cool and easy one you can do from Spider Guard if you lasso your leg around one of their arms and bait them into attempting a pass. I personally have found this one to actually be pretty hard. I don't use it, it's just that when people try it on me they don't get enough torque to finish the slicer and I end up freeing my arm and getting the pass. I assume they must be getting some details wrong.
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Sprecherscrow posted:I personally have found this one to actually be pretty hard. I don't use it, it's just that when people try it on me they don't get enough torque to finish the slicer and I end up freeing my arm and getting the pass. I assume they must be getting some details wrong. Shown by a blue, but same principle. You get a sweep, and finish it from top. edit: Found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhXWlW8nqxg Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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origami posted:What's with guys that don't tap when they know they're getting injured Gotta win at training. Sprecherscrow posted:
What did he cover? I was thinking about going to that but talked myself out of it as I have zero experience attacking legs/defending leg locks. WayneCampbell fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Feb 16, 2016 19:21
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KildarX posted:
Just a reminder that IBJJF doesn't allow bicep slicers below brown. However, if you let go of the sleeve in the transition (giving your opponent the opportunity to pull his arm out) and he leaves his arm then game on.
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Feb 16, 2016 22:40
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WayneCampbell posted:Gotta win at training. Two solid hours of heel hooks followed by an hour and half of passes. Went into a lot of detail on every position he taught so it really didn't matter that I didn't have much heel hook experience beforehand.
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Feb 16, 2016 22:48
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Sprecherscrow posted:Two solid hours of heel hooks followed by an hour and half of passes. Went into a lot of detail on every position he taught so it really didn't matter that I didn't have much heel hook experience beforehand. But...why pass when you can just drop into a heel hook?
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ch3cooh posted:But...why pass when you can just drop into a heel hook? This is not something he covered.
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ch3cooh posted:Just a reminder that IBJJF doesn't allow bicep slicers below brown. However, if you let go of the sleeve in the transition (giving your opponent the opportunity to pull his arm out) and he leaves his arm then game on. This is kinda why I call them "ungentlemanly" in casual rolling. The slicer doen't strike me as a particularly interesting sub. They are mostly a counter to basic armbar defense techniques, and nobody who needs to defend them in competition will be needing to practice basic armbar defense. And on top of that, getting used to being put into a bicep slicer is not useful for self defense. Likewise, they're not useful as an attack for self defense applications or for competition practice, either. For a novice to go for a bicep slicer means that the novice's time is not going towards practicing the armbar. If that grappler can't finish an armbar and just goes for the slicer, he or she is avoiding practicing on the more fundamental technique with more applications, and that's practice that the novice needs. When it comes down to it, the technique is just causing pain for the sake of "winning" in practice. Nobody is learning anything - not the person slicing, nor the person being sliced. It's like when the 200 lb muscleman squeezes the 140 lb skinnyman's jaw in practice with a RNC until the skinnyman taps as to avoid getting a broken jaw. Really, for learning it's more important that the muscleman work to get that arm under the jaw, if for no other reason that in competition someone his size might not tap to that kind of crank so easily. Sure, you can win a gold medal in competition by squeezing someone's face that way, but nuscleman will only get better if he learns to finish the sub with technique. I suppose if someone finds bicep slicers interesting they can probably just be used in a catch-and-release kind of way. Someone's defending an armbar? Take the slicer position, and then release it to try to finish the armbar. Lord knows that I find certain subs to be really interesting, and some of them are illegal as gently caress for every level of competition I can be thinking about right now (I have a boner for heel hooks and calf cranks, especially). I just observe when I'm in a position where I could grab one, and then I continue on with legal positions in my roll.
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Feb 16, 2016 22:57
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Almost nothing in bjj is useful for self defense
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CommonShore posted:This is kinda why I call them "ungentlemanly" in casual rolling. The slicer doen't strike me as a particularly interesting sub. They are mostly a counter to basic armbar defense techniques, and nobody who needs to defend them in competition will be needing to practice basic armbar defense. This is dumb and there are a lot of competitive formats where they are legal at all levels. Not everyone who competes does so exclusively in IBJJF events.
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I feel like cranking a slicer would be a dick move, but applying one slowly (especially if someone decent is defending the arm-bar like their life depends on it) is a-ok in my book. I mean sometimes you just wanna do less work.  I do mainly no-gi though, so maybe its a bigger deal in gi?
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wait until that group of drunks get a load of my xguard
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david carmichael posted:Almost nothing in bjj is useful for self defense Someone doesn't know how to do a proper technical stand-up. 
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david carmichael posted:wait until that group of drunks get a load of my xguard otoh if I'm ever chained to a radiator or dungeon floor those motherfuckers better not step a leg in range
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fatherdog posted:This is dumb and there are a lot of competitive formats where they are legal at all levels. Not everyone who competes does so exclusively in IBJJF events. Actual question and not disputing this - how common are competitions in which slicers are allowed at lower skill levels?
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CommonShore posted:This is kinda why I call them "ungentlemanly" in casual rolling. The slicer doen't strike me as a particularly interesting sub. They are mostly a counter to basic armbar defense techniques, and nobody who needs to defend them in competition will be needing to practice basic armbar defense. And on top of that, getting used to being put into a bicep slicer is not useful for self defense. The idea that slicers aren't technical or done by advanced grapplers is such a load of horseshit. It's even a faulty line of thinking with things like facelocks, really -- sure, they are something that can be "forced" in certain circumstances, but they are also possible to do with technique. Having a strength advantage allows you to be less technical with any kind of sub, that's just the nature of the sport. CommonShore posted:Actual question and not disputing this - how common are competitions in which slicers are allowed at lower skill levels? Literally every competition I've ever been to has allowed bicep slicers at all levels. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 16, 2016 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The idea that slicers aren't technical or done by advanced grapplers is such a load of horseshit. said grapplers are obviously 'ungentlemanly' however
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CommonShore posted:Actual question and not disputing this - how common are competitions in which slicers are allowed at lower skill levels? Pretty much every no-gi competition there is, other than the IBJJF. Grappler's Quest, Naga, ADCC, etc, etc.
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david carmichael posted:Almost nothing in bjj is useful for self defense My purpose in life is to play de la riva when attacked by a guy wearing a heavy leather jacket.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The idea that slicers aren't technical or done by advanced grapplers is such a load of horseshit. Sorry if I gave that impression of my position. I thought that I made it clearer that I'm talking about the lower level guy who cranks one in lieu of finding a way to separate the hands in an arm bar, which is where the slicer discussion began. The video you posted of the Russian guy was cool and impressive. Re: competition, the pure grappling ones I've been to have largely used ibjjf, and in judo that could get you tournament dqed for "intent to injure" if the ref recognized it
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origami posted:said grapplers are obviously 'ungentlemanly' however Anyone whining about bicep slicers being ungentlemanly has probably never been shinlocked. Now that is an evil sub.
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I *hate* when people submit me with X instead of submitting me with Y. Those treacherous dogs. One submission is honorable and other submissions are dishonorable
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CommonShore posted:Actual question and not disputing this - how common are competitions in which slicers are allowed at lower skill levels? Every lovely regional tournament I've ever been in has allowed them at all levels (adult anyway, no clue what the kids rules are)
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