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Kurieg posted:I'd be loving floored if they return the Get and Furies to their 1st ed portrayals. Literal Nazi Werewolves and militant cryptofeminists go. For me it's more the emphasis on Europe, their note on how "radical fundamentalism" is something they want to touch in, and their weird hangup on "WORLD OF DARKNESS SHOULDA HAD A 9/11 SUPPLEMENT, COWARDS!" that has me thinking we are in for some incredible shitshow materials. I have never played any of their video games though, so maybe they'll end up being real respectable about, poo poo, I dunno. But I do know that this hobby in general has been loving awful when it comes to just about anything that touches the Middle East.
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Feb 16, 2016 08:44
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Technocrachy did 9/11. Vampire Disciplines can't melt steel beams.
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Feb 16, 2016 08:51
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Kai Tave posted:Can't wait for Wraith: the Twin Towers. It will be handled delicately and kindly, while World of Darkness: Mexicans will continue in the trend of the Gypsies line.
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He could just be referring to New York By Night consciously made no reference to 9/11, which was very much the right thing to do in 2002.
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Pope Guilty posted:He could just be referring to New York By Night consciously made no reference to 9/11, which was very much the right thing to do in 2002. He could be referring to a lot of things, but how that interview actually reads is like someone opening a portal through time and space and going "Hello from the year 199X!" I mean it's not even really worth making a fuss over since Onyx Path apparently gets to continue on continuing on like they've been and I don't give that much of a poo poo about WoD video games whether they're n or o, but that whole Q&A is a laugh and a half, c'mon. Technology is evil and urban fantasy is for pussies, 9/11 baby!
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The Exalted thing is bizarro too, since those connections were basically retconned out of both game lines pretty quickly, and when they were around they were nothing more than oblique references anyway.
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Lightning Lord posted:The Exalted thing is bizarro too, since those connections were basically retconned out of both game lines pretty quickly, and when they were around they were nothing more than oblique references anyway. I mean I'll agree that the attempt to connect things probably shouldn't have been made in the first place if only because it undoubtedly led to that awful "The scientists have lied to you!" introduction to Exalted 1E.
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Feb 16, 2016 09:26
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Empress Theonora posted:Well, at least they're leaving nWoD under OPP's stewardship instead of flushing it down the toilet. That's something, I guess. poo poo, frankly I was worried the news would be worse. OPP gets to keep putting out the good stuff (provided Beast is a momentary hiccup, anyway) and I might even get to indulge in some Technocratic guilty pleasure. Unless they go full 90s and go back to the Technocracy being monstrous automatons instead of (heavily) compromised idealists, I guess.
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Feb 16, 2016 10:13
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Kai Tave posted:I mean I'll agree that the attempt to connect things probably shouldn't have been made in the first place if only because it undoubtedly led to that awful "The scientists have lied to you!" introduction to Exalted 1E. Which meant charms and such were INCREDIBLY inefficient given what one mote actually did.
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Feb 16, 2016 10:22
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Zereth posted:I recall Exalted 1e claiming a single mote had more power than an atom bomb. Well a lot of that is lost creating anima banners. Giant glowing animated totems don't create themselves, y'know.
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Kai Tave posted:Can't wait for Wraith: the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers were already in Orpheus way back in 2004.
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Lightning Lord posted:The Exalted thing is bizarro too, since those connections were basically retconned out of both game lines pretty quickly, and when they were around they were nothing more than oblique references anyway. Yeah, it only really got referenced on the back of the original corebook and by the Storyteller's Guide they're already backpedaling and saying "oh Exalted Isn't tied to th he WoD unless you want it to be". It's a weird thing to bring up because it never really impacted the WoD line itself AFAIK.
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Considering the fact that the new season of the X-Files started off with a pretty big bomb of 9/11 trutherism, it would not surprise me if they touched it considering what they've said so far. At least they're doing something with the IP I guess.  CCP always just seemed on the verge of running it into the ground but neglected the hell out of it. They also just wanted the name, the game they had planned used no aspects of Vampire the Masquerade or Requiem other than there are vampires and they do vampire things.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:What's the over-under on PI rebooting Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom?
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I for one am delighted to see a European company tackle a setting filled with racial stereotypes, some of whom are religious and Middle Eastern, in the 21st Century. If only so I can see how long it takes, in seconds, for them to lose their poo poo on twitter and say something absolutely horrific. I'm betting end of the first week after new Vampire comes out, tops.
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Pope Guilty posted:He could just be referring to New York By Night consciously made no reference to 9/11, which was very much the right thing to do in 2002. There's no reference because that would have been impossible. NYBN's final printing was on 9/14/01. It was finished and in editing way before the attacks, and the only real dilemma they had was "Did we have anything similar happen in the book? No? Okay we can still sell this product we already have."
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Pope Guilty posted:I don't think it is anymore but Obsidian used to have a population of Black Isle->Troika->Obsidian folks. Kavak posted:One thread of hope to cling to is that if Obsidian is writing the story, they aren't going to play it straight- KOTOR II and Mask of the Betrayer basically told their respective settings they were full of poo poo. Though with Chris Avellone gone, I'm not sure if that's true anymore.
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As someone who first gave Vampire a look in about 1996, pretty disappointing perspective on the IP there but its to be expected. Gotta say as a CtD fan it cuts doubly deep 
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What I love about Elder Foot-in-Mouth of Clan Toreador's slam about the failures of White Wolf being the introduction of 'Fantasy' is that it pegs him as an arriviste to the fandom that really bought into the controversy of the day. Anyone who ignores the Ars Magica (87) and Dark Ages (96) inclusion into the Vampire game line to talk up Exalted (2001) and the absence of 9/11 is a late 90s fanger fanboy that never got over having to share attention with "that dirty anime game" younger brother. Its all whatever, he bought the IP to win some canon arguments so lets enjoy whatever shameful Richard Dawkins hottakes he brings us in the coming year.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:As someone who first gave Vampire a look in about 1996, pretty disappointing perspective on the IP there but its to be expected. Gotta say as a CtD fan it cuts doubly deep I'd not realized a self-aware CtD fan felt emotions beyond deep and abiding shame.
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Boogaleeboo posted:I for one am delighted to see a European company tackle a setting filled with racial stereotypes, some of whom are religious and Middle Eastern, in the 21st Century. If only so I can see how long it takes, in seconds, for them to lose their poo poo on twitter and say something absolutely horrific. I'm betting end of the first week after new Vampire comes out, tops. WoD: Gypsies 2.0 in 5, 4, 3, 2...
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Mors Rattus posted:I'd not realized a self-aware CtD fan felt emotions beyond deep and abiding shame. I feel regret that it pissed away a promising premise and Tony DiTerlizzi art.
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That interview does not fill me with confidence, and that's as a huge oWoD fan. The rolling in of more current events to the story loving terrifies me, to be honest, because the combo of that plus 'I loved 1E vampire' is not a good one. I enjoy the oWoDest of the oWoD as a historical curiosity, a 'hah gently caress the 90s were something else', the same way I enjoy the video clip for Haddaway's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrBDcQq2DM What is Love, which is also early 90s as gently caress. The single best time of the oWoD came, other than its attempts to unfuck itself or carry on legacies that should have been abandoned, in 2002 - 2004. Bloodlines dropped for PC, the books were a whole lot better produced, better written, and better designed, Demon is legitimately one of my favourite RPGs of all time. 1991 era oWoD is the worst oWoD. I remain cautiously optimistic because I'm a fan of Paradox anyway and, if they do it right, even a return to some of the older oWoD style could be okay - but it's a lot more of a red flag than going 'yeah we're going to basically be doing Revised, with some stuff from nWoD, and the cream of the crop from 1e and 2e' which was my ideal case scenario.
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I'm confident that video game wise, Paradox is going to ignore everything but Vampire for years. It's pretty clear from the way the guy is talking that Vampire is what he's interested in and I don't think we're going to see cool Werewolf games any time soon. We will never see games for anything past Mage. I doubt this dude even knows Orpheus exists. As for tabletop games, I cannot wait to see how intensely racist and weirdly nationalist this stuff gets.
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Pope Guilty posted:WoD: Gypsies 2.0 in 5, 4, 3, 2... Speaking of, has anyone actually played WoD: Gypsies? I only remember reading bits and pieces of it a long time ago. I am curious if it played as bad as it read.
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Has Europe's gaming community been having the same scale of conversation about racism/sexism that we've been having over here?
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Has Europe's gaming community been having the same scale of conversation about racism/sexism that we've been having over here? ...I know of Jeepform (singular-event Nordic-inspired Larps) all the way over in America as a very leftist community on the whole. I don't know enough of their bog-standard tabletop + vampire LARP community in Europe to have them mentioned as anything notable. You also have to respect the possibility that the current owners became such as a reactionary impulse against the popularity of Those Nordic LARPers.
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Gerund posted:What I love about Elder Foot-in-Mouth of Clan Toreador's slam about the failures of White Wolf being the introduction of 'Fantasy' is that it pegs him as an arriviste to the fandom that really bought into the controversy of the day. Anyone who ignores the Ars Magica (87) and Dark Ages (96) inclusion into the Vampire game line to talk up Exalted (2001) and the absence of 9/11 is a late 90s fanger fanboy that never got over having to share attention with "that dirty anime game" younger brother. For that matter, anybody who complains about the injection of high fantasy into the oWoD is obviously unfamiliar with Mage as it was actually played.
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So, what does the Shadow look like in and around the Pentagon? I'm working on a Demon one-shot that's going to involve breaking in via Rip the Gates, and I want ideas for striking images and unsettling spirits to harry the PCs.
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What in the name of loving christ is that
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Faceless men - always white, brown haired, middle aged - in suits who are always in the peripheral vision, always watching, perhaps. The literal embodiment of the paranoid intelligence world. Worse - the one with a face they only see at the end of long corridors who raises a cellphone and reports on their movements. Maybe to nothing at all, but they'll instantly assume the God Machine knows - and if it doesn't send Angels and hellfire, they'll get paranoid and start to think it wants them to do the job, that even their revolt and their existence is part of the plan.
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Doodmons posted:What in the name of loving christ is that That is pre-MCU Nick Fury with no shirt facing off with some rear end in a top hat who can't coordinate his footwear with the rest of his wardrobe, because who wears combat boots with a kimono?
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Kellsterik posted:So, what does the Shadow look like in and around the Pentagon? I'm working on a Demon one-shot that's going to involve breaking in via Rip the Gates, and I want ideas for striking images and unsettling spirits to harry the PCs.
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Doodmons posted:What in the name of loving christ is that Mage: the Ascension Umbra Action Playset A Wal-Mart exclusive for 1993! The Umbra comes to life with wizard warriors like Progenitor Lizargh and Bathrobe Samurai. (Other figures like M-1666, Agent Washboard Abs, and Virtucycle not included.) Includes Rock of Mages and Technocrat Terrorwall play bases, and lenticular Bygone Battle backdrop. 50 D 37474--Wt. 2 lbs. 1 oz...$28.99
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