Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

PantsBandit posted:

Wow, that has to be the most horribly ugly armor I have ever seen :barf:

That's just wrapping paper that he forgot to take off the armor when he got it as a christmas gift.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Bah, going to forsake Legendary for now. It has the same problem for me as Marathon did in the original - with even grazing hits putting my soldiers out of action for a month, and recruitment costs doubled, I get utterly hosed by the occasional hits rather than total party losses. That...doesn't feel right to me.

Still, double enemy spawns is a neat enough difficulty tweak for me.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

dyzzy posted:

This mod helps by trimming some of the delays.

Okay, that needs to be in the OP. Thanks for giving me back a small bit of the life Firaxis has stolen from me over the years.

Hank Morgan
Jun 17, 2007

Light Along the Inverse Curve.
What does the average cover bonus mean on the mission results screen?

dyzzy
Dec 22, 2009

argh

poptart_fairy posted:

Bah, going to forsake Legendary for now. It has the same problem for me as Marathon did in the original - with even grazing hits putting my soldiers out of action for a month, and recruitment costs doubled, I get utterly hosed by the occasional hits rather than total party losses. That...doesn't feel right to me.

Still, double enemy spawns is a neat enough difficulty tweak for me.

Once you get the AWC running your roster will breathe easier-- still, it's good to have a healthy pool of reserves. The way the times get dilated also means that you can occasionally put some supplies down on a recruit at HQ to keep your fighting force strong.

e: don't forget the GTS' training ability as well.

RoboCicero
Oct 22, 2009

"I'm sick and tired of reading these posts!"

Walrus Pete posted:

Yep. No cloning, no teleporting, no rift. All they can do is move and shoot, and they're worse at both of those too.
:tviv: I've had more than one mission go seriously pear-shaped when one or two unlucky grazes turns one codex into three.

emTme3
Nov 7, 2012

by Hand Knit
.

emTme3 fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Mar 31, 2022

dyzzy
Dec 22, 2009

argh

splifyphus posted:

Turns out Holo-targetting doesn't work with pistols, like, at all.

As in having the ability on a gunslinger, or getting the aim bonus as one?

Gyshall
Feb 24, 2009

Had a couple of drinks.
Saw a couple of things.
If you can, I try to save one or two rookies for Psi operatives and then use the rest of the roster for actual shootin dudes.

Not always an option on Legendary, but if you have the resources I would try to do that.

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

dyzzy posted:

As in having the ability on a gunslinger, or getting the aim bonus as one?
Holo-Targeting is primary weapon only, so it works with the sniper rifle but not the pistol.

That's a pretty easy problem to run into with Gunslingers in general.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

dyzzy posted:

Once you get the AWC running your roster will breathe easier-- still, it's good to have a healthy pool of reserves. The way the times get dilated also means that you can occasionally put some supplies down on a recruit at HQ to keep your fighting force strong.

e: don't forget the GTS' training ability as well.

Yeah, it's just those first couple of months I find very annoying. I'll come back to it eventually, just not now. :v:

If I could figure out to cheat in a Rookie surplus or something I'd continue playing on Legendary. 40 supplies a pop is just too much for me to budget around.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007



Also if holo-target worked with pistols, Face-off would be ridiculous.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015

SynthOrange posted:



Also if holo-target worked with pistols, Face-off would be ridiculous.

I.... what

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

SynthOrange posted:



Also if holo-target worked with pistols, Face-off would be ridiculous.
But...that's not even a mission where you gotta go fast.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





Lotish posted:

Also, hitting caps lock no longer auto-loads the avenger.

wtf, best shortcut key ever.

i mean this means they fixed the actual bug right?

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012

Hank Morgan posted:

What does the average cover bonus mean on the mission results screen?

Defense is a value that goes directly against the attacker's aim. Defense can come from cover, abilities like aid protocol, or is inherent (later enemies get this). The difference between the attacker's aim stat (including bonuses) and the target's defense stat (including bonuses) is the chance to hit.

Half cover grants 20 to defense, and full cover grants 40. Being in the open (or if the attacker flanks you) offers no bonus. Average cover bonus is, I assume, the mean average cover defense bonus your soldiers got throughout the mission.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

SynthOrange posted:


Also if holo-target worked with pistols, Face-off would be ridiculous.

I know a guy that got Kill Zone on a holotargeting Grenadier

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
Note: On evac missions, if you evac a Psi Agent that is mind controlling an alien, the mind control will end.

Luckly, that didn't cost me much.

GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC

Lowen SoDium posted:

Note: On evac missions, if you evac a Psi Agent that is mind controlling an alien, the mind control will end.

Luckly, that didn't cost me much.

Happens to hacked things if you evac out the specialist too.

emTme3
Nov 7, 2012

by Hand Knit
.

emTme3 fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Mar 31, 2022

bpACH
Apr 5, 2009

Lowen SoDium posted:

Note: On evac missions, if you evac a Psi Agent that is mind controlling an alien, the mind control will end.

Luckly, that didn't cost me much.

The same thing happens when you extract a specialist who has hacked a robot.

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Lowen SoDium posted:

Note: On evac missions, if you evac a Psi Agent that is mind controlling an alien, the mind control will end.

Luckly, that didn't cost me much.

I found that out when I had everyone in the zone already, so I learned in a pretty gentle manner. I could see that ending very poorly though.

dyzzy
Dec 22, 2009

argh
Oddly enough the same thing happens if you have applied poison (or acid? possibly both, and all types of debilitations) via a grenade. Evacing the soldier who tossed it will remove the debuff from the enemies it hit.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business
So the key to legendary is to roll a scannable engineer right after getting an engineer from your first mission, as well as getting scannable avenger power AND contacts somewhere before the second retaliation. Also got to rush Predator armor from the blackmarket allowing me to buy it before I fought the first Muton. Sure, the Avatar project bar is almost at full, but the missions feel very doable (Id say even easy) and the major plot factory is next door costing only 1 contact to unlock. Oh yeah and tweak the base weapons to have higher damage range and use mods. Im guessing vanillia legendary isn't really intended to be beatable.

Colapops
Nov 21, 2007

Beat the game. Ending is very DLC/expansion baity but that's to be expected.

Not sure if I want to play another campaign on a higher difficulty (I was only on normal) or wait a bit for the next big Long War-esque mods to come out first.

KaiserSchnitzel
Feb 23, 2003

Hey baby I think we Havel lot in common
Does anyone have a clue why the Reddit Xcom forum is private all of a sudden? Is Reddit having another entitlement seizure?

Luceid
Jan 20, 2005

Buy some freaking medicine.

Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:

Oh yeah and tweak the base weapons to have higher damage range and use mods. Im guessing vanillia legendary isn't really intended to be beatable.

vanilla legendary is entirely beatable and plenty of people have done it though????

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


I don't think I like the pod mechanics as far as overall game flow goes.

They were cool in XCOM1 at the time, but they feel really gameable and occasionally infuriating due to interactions (bugs, LoS issues, mind control/dom, concealment, a bunch of other random poo poo).

Every mission is about properly baiting out one group at a time, rather than any sort of running battle. This goes doubly for missions that aren't timed, which is clearly why they added that mechanic, but I'm not sure it was the best solution.

It also feels like, because they sort of expect 1-2 pods at a time at most, the enemy lethality is cranked way up, so you want to alpha strike everything down before it has a chance to even touch you.

If enemies weren't quite so crazily deadly, you could have larger fights without risking death or incapacitation as a near certainty.

And yes, I realize you can fight multiple groups pretty trivially in the late game, but for the bulk of the game, the one-pod crawl is the best way to do things.

The Duchess Smackarse
May 8, 2012

by Lowtax
That final mission is WAY too easy once you know what you're doing. Just did it on my hard mode ironman, took a total of 1 point of damage across the entire mission. Enemy avatars are incredibly stupid and are really easy to kill. Oh well!

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:

Oh yeah and tweak the base weapons to have higher damage range and use mods. Im guessing vanillia legendary isn't really intended to be beatable.

Not that there's a problem with tweaking things to your liking (I plan to do that before my next run), but vanilla legendary is definitely beatable. Lots of people have done it, notably Beagle doing it on ironman with zero lost soldiers.

Locke Dunnegan
Apr 25, 2005

Respectable Bespectacled Receptacle
Made a collection on the Workshop of all the mods I currently have running.

Ones I like enough to point out:

Scientist Staff Slots - Adds Scientist slots to Proving Grounds, Comms, and Workshops for various bonuses. Haven't used this yet, but wanting scientists to be more fleshed out is seemingly a common complaint, so this is a mod that attempts to help out. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems useful and pretty balanced on paper.
Numeric Health Display - Thanks Peewi! This is way better than the other one that just had a tiny number next to the pips. I only wish there was a way to see how much armor will be shredded before committing to an attack, but that's pretty minor.
Display Miss Chance - Good for seeing just how much Overwatch sucks in comparison to XCOM 1, and good for knowing how much trouble you're in in a firefight. Seeing 40% hit chances turn into 0% hit chances with a level 3 Aid Protocol is nice too.
Remove Aim Assists - Because I'm not a dumb baby that thinks 80% = 100% that gets mad when it isn't.
Show All Perks - Because I am indeed a dumb baby that can't remember which perks are where.
Less Gravely Wounded - Because being grazed for 1/14th of your HP shouldn't make you gravely wounded ever. What the gently caress? Also combined with It's Just A Scratch for the old XCOM 1 wound system. Yes this is a direct buff to your troops, but I think the new system is worse anyway.
Non-tile Snapping Grenades - I don't have a problem with "pixel hunting", and this is a nice fix for the really buggy tile snapping system currently in place. I got this after my recent Save Scummy Veteran first run through of the game, and not being able to target the best tile for ??? reasons when it would easily snap to all surrounding tiles was annoying, and this is a great QoL change.
Experimental Item Unlock - "I'm Shen, daughter of Shen, lead roboticist among the entire resistance. I made these bullets that start people on fire, but hosed if I took down literally any notes on how to do it again!!!! :downs:"

I'm also going to try out that AI tweak combined with the couple Concealment tweaks at the bottom of the list on a new Veteran Bronzeman game. I figure making the AI a bit smarter as well as being able to get Conceal back when there's nothing left alive will make for more dynamic play, and may make Phantom/Conceal feel a bit less mandatory. Being able to scout to some degree on anyone sounds nice, and facing smarter enemies if I gently caress up could be a fair enough downside.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

Luceid posted:

vanilla legendary is entirely beatable and plenty of people have done it though????

I should have phrased that differently. I mean to say the average vanilla legend run is not intended to be beatable, since RNG at specific key moments seems to make a world of difference between being in control and being at the mercy of even further RNG, reducing the chances of survival and victory to so much that restating becomes the time efficient choice.
There doesn't seem to be anything particularly more "difficult" in the mode either. The AI isn't any better (Archon still spams blazing pinion to their own detriment a lot of the time, etc.) I guess there is more enemies and higher tier enemies spawn earlier, as well as limiting your in-combat movement by patrolling so close together. But I really dont feel it makes any major impact. If you get good RNG and get upgrades early as in my example, the game has no answer, it feels like veteran with a few more enemies here and there.

emTme3
Nov 7, 2012

by Hand Knit
.

emTme3 fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Mar 31, 2022

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club
Um anyone else have cover icons stop appearing after the patch?

Three missions in a row now and I can't tell if a particular square is really in cover or not.

DeliciousCookie
Mar 4, 2011
I wonder if maybe theres an accuracy cap on certain classes/weapons for close range. I've had specialists and grenadiers right next to an enemy at point blank range, and still have like a 60-70% chance to hit.

TheDon01
Mar 8, 2009


Is there a mod yet that makes your drat soldiers sit still in the loving skyranger?

Im playing on a laptop currently and the game runs great with all the graphical whizbangs turned down but my load times between missions are long. These drat soldiers do nothing but fidget and hillbilly knee slapping in the back.

TheDon01 fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 18, 2016

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

TheDon01 posted:

Is there a mod yet that makes your drat soldiers sit still in the loving skyranger?

Im playing on a laptop currently and the game runs great with all the graphical whizbangs turned down but my load times between missions are long. These drat soldiers do nothing but fidget and hillbilly knee slapping.

No joke: If you press Caps Lock on the skyranger loading screen, the game will stop rendering new frames and then load super quick. It doesn't always work, though, it seems to mostly only work for me on the post-mission screen and not the pre-mission screen.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
SHAVE ME FROM MY SHELF

Hick Magnet posted:

No joke: If you press Caps Lock on the skyranger loading screen, the game will stop rendering new frames and then load super quick. It doesn't always work, though, it seems to mostly only work for me on the post-mission screen and not the pre-mission screen.

They removed that in the hotfix because it was a crash risk.

ConfusedPig
Mar 27, 2013


Hick Magnet posted:

No joke: If you press Caps Lock on the skyranger loading screen, the game will stop rendering new frames and then load super quick. It doesn't always work, though, it seems to mostly only work for me on the post-mission screen and not the pre-mission screen.

In my experience, it only works if you press it after waiting around 5 seconds. If you press it as soon as you're in the skyranger it won't work even if you wait a little and try again.

^ nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

ConfusedPig fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Feb 18, 2016

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Fwiw it seems like the load times are reduced a bit with the patch.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply