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OAquinas posted:'My "Next Friends" 1-10,000,000,000' Discendo Vox posted:
Little of column A, little of column B I think The 1-1000 surely refers to the shadowy cabal that runs America, and thus the world. The 10 billion represents the entire population of Earth. I believe the implication is that she is suing the federal government on behalf of the entire world. That is how deluded these loving people are.
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Just to emphasize how dumb she is, here is Cox's lawyers motion to get her out of jail pre-trial: http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/298074507/Cox-Finicum-funeral-motion That is some very good lawyering by Tiffany Harris, and Cox is lucky to have that for the bargain price of zero dollars. As one of the more peripheral figures, it's entirely plausible Cox can have a life after this. But nope. No titles of corrupt nobility! They're all crooks! Burn it down!
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Feb 18, 2016 02:07
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 We took possession by force but how dare you take it back by force too.
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Feb 18, 2016 02:15
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What is with that font? Even the text is unhinged like she was having a convulsive conniption fit while trying to use a typewriter, heh.
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Feb 18, 2016 02:25
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She can't even dream up a theory of her supposedly peaceful actions that doesn't include the word "hostile."
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Hey, can we stop downplaying that whole stalking/terrorizing thing that the Burns residents and especially government employees (of which Burns has quite a large number, percentage-wise) went through/might still be going through in our efforts to prove our point and/or that somehow completely irrational people will respond rationally when confronting people they irrationally blame for all their ills and won't, you know, actually physically harm them at any point despite following them home, stalking their family (including children and the sheriff's elderly parents), directly confronting them verbally, staking out their home, and sending numerous death threats? Not all harm is physical, people had to leave their own homes for their own safety because of this bullshit (including the sheriff's wife), we had a girl on camera trying to explain that she was terrified as gently caress in her own town (who was then mocked by Santilli), and lots of talk of putting local and county people on trial for treason, which, as these assholes are happy to point out all the time, means a death sentence if convicted (and of course they're going to be convicted). They terrorized an entire community, that's more than annoying or just scaring them by being present with guns, and it's ridiculous to just assume that 'oh well, they didn't mean it, obviously' and that these people were never in any danger. We're talking about a group that has had members do things like gun down two cops at a traffic stop because of their ideology and pent up anger, it's not like SovCits have never carried out their threats before. I mean, I don't want to dampen things in the middle of the hilarious Shawna Cox lulz, but gently caress's sake, dude.
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States chat- as described in the Meads decision, it's not uncommon for sovcits to modify off-the-shelf sovcit filing documents for their particular case, a horrible parallel to normal legal boilerplate document practices. If you see an error related to locations, it's often because the original document was meant for a different jurisdiction. Foreign courts that get sovcit filings often find that the filings are loaded with references to US-specific law, particularly the Uniform Commercial Code.Mercury_Storm posted:What is with that font? Even the text is unhinged like she was having a convulsive conniption fit while trying to use a typewriter, heh. That's just pdf encoding hiccups.
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Feb 18, 2016 02:53
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Crabtree posted:Communism, Socialism and an Oligarchy? What no Nazism as well? "Communist oligarchy" sounds a lot like the latter day Soviet Union.
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The stalking still appears to have been hanger-on groups, and it started before the occupation. The town had extra protection, including fortifying the courthouse. The occupation may well have made the town MORE safe, because it brought the FBI to town and there's no indication that the harassment was heightened by it - it wasn't mentioned at all after day 9 of the occupation or so. Edit: if anyone interprets my statement as being pro-occupation i will find you and Finicum you theflyingorc fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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Feb 18, 2016 03:07
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That sounds like a sex act. Can we get a posthumous Santorum going on?
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theflyingorc posted:
You'll almost hit me with a car, stagger out of it, and get shot by law enforcement officials?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:You'll almost hit me with a car, stagger out of it, and get shot by law enforcement officials? Yeah
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kartikeya posted:Hey, can we stop downplaying that whole stalking/terrorizing thing that the Burns residents and especially government employees (of which Burns has quite a large number, percentage-wise) went through/might still be going through in our efforts to prove our point and/or that somehow completely irrational people will respond rationally when confronting people they irrationally blame for all their ills and won't, you know, actually physically harm them at any point despite following them home, stalking their family (including children and the sheriff's elderly parents), directly confronting them verbally, staking out their home, and sending numerous death threats? Not all harm is physical, people had to leave their own homes for their own safety because of this bullshit (including the sheriff's wife), we had a girl on camera trying to explain that she was terrified as gently caress in her own town (who was then mocked by Santilli), and lots of talk of putting local and county people on trial for treason, which, as these assholes are happy to point out all the time, means a death sentence if convicted (and of course they're going to be convicted). First off, that is one hell of a sentence. Secondly I would actually like to hear more about how the people of Burns were impacted outside of the obvious "goddamned idiots are holed up in the reserve" aspect. I can't begin to imagine how it felt to basically be occupied like a foreign country at war.
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Where the heck did I read pages and pages telling me why the bar association is the real problem with the US? Crap, I read too much conspiracy theory 
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Feb 18, 2016 03:33
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http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/02/17/Bundy,%20Cliven%20et%20al%20Indictment.pdf Indictment for 2014, new defendants added.
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Shakenbaker posted:Secondly I would actually like to hear more about how the people of Burns were impacted outside of the obvious "goddamned idiots are holed up in the reserve" aspect. I can't begin to imagine how it felt to basically be occupied like a foreign country at war. Yeah, I imagine the primary thought of everyone in town, even those who were just as staunchly conservative, was "Oh my god, go have your revolution somewhere else, I live here."
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theflyingorc posted:The stalking still appears to have been hanger-on groups, and it started before the occupation. The town had extra protection, including fortifying the courthouse. The occupation may well have made the town MORE safe, because it brought the FBI to town and there's no indication that the harassment was heightened by it - it wasn't mentioned at all after day 9 of the occupation or so. You've said this a few times, but I think you misread something somewhere. We have no idea who was responsible for what as regards the terrorizing and stalking, or the death threats. They started before the occupation began, but we know Ammon and Friends were up there looking things over sometime around then too. A few things that have been said or come out as supposedly being said by the militants suggest they were at least preparing for some poo poo like that. There wasn't all that clean of a line between those occupying Malheur and those in Burns because the militants came and went as they pleased. A number were reportedly staying in local motels rather than at the refuge, but were part of the occupation. I don't agree they were safer after the FBI arrived. Sheriff Ward probably was, but not to the point his wife was able to return home. People left their homes well after the occupation began, and were even advised to do so by BLM, because they worried their personal information had been accessed (it probably was, given how strangers were finding them specifically). The courthouse was reinforced, and so was the sheriff's office, but random Joe Government Employee didn't have anything more than a possibly increased response time should something go wrong. We don't know if the incidents tapered off after a while or if they continued (or are still continuing) because, maddeningly, that's not something the media has been very interested in reporting, and they barely covered what harassment we do know about. Either way, Malheur militants or some other group or (likely) a combination of the two isn't really the point. The point is people were terrorized and that's not great. Whether the FBI or local law enforcement could have actually done something about that, I don't know. That's actually the question I'd like to ask; in hindsight, was it possible to prevent them from having to go through that without having a shootout in the streets of Burns, and if so, why wasn't it done, and if not, what can be done to prevent such a situation going forward, because, you know, that wasn't a good thing. I'm just irritable when I see it downplayed as Not a Big Deal. That's easy to say when it's not your (general you, not you in specific, theflyingorc) town being filled up with heavily armed nutjobs you don't know anything about. Shakenbaker posted:First off, that is one hell of a sentence. Yeah, sorry, I have a real problem with run-on sentences or ones filled with lots and lots of ( )'s. I'd like to know more about this too, though I'm sure that's obvious from my posts.
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Also I'd like to give a personal 'gently caress you' to this guy, although I'm posting it because the conspiracy is both incoherent and hilarious: https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/700135165851402241
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kartikeya posted:Also I'd like to give a personal 'gently caress you' to this guy, although I'm posting it because the conspiracy is both incoherent and hilarious: Doucette is a sovcit "superior court judge".
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Discendo Vox posted:Doucette is a sovcit "superior court judge". Yeah. The guy posting that is apparently some guy named Wayne Bachmann though.
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kartikeya posted:Also I'd like to give a personal 'gently caress you' to this guy, although I'm posting it because the conspiracy is both incoherent and hilarious: If he really is "exposing it in church" then we probably should have that guy arrested.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/02/17/Bundy,%20Cliven%20et%20al%20Indictment.pdf We have a SAUSA named Nadia J. Ahmed so the only thing this indictment is missing to send the sovcits careening over the cliff in frothing rage is for 2 people to have jewish and french names. Edit: Yeah, Santilli is not going to see the light of day after reading this. Rick_Hunter fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:Yeah. The guy posting that is apparently some guy named Wayne Bachmann though. Friend him on FB! He accepts all comers apparently and is really... well, really nutty anyway! Holy poo poo that indictment! Cliven; have sex with a woman and eat a steak because he isn't ever going to do that again. ConAir is my bible. ChlamydiaJones fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:Also I'd like to give a personal 'gently caress you' to this guy, although I'm posting it because the conspiracy is both incoherent and hilarious: I'm the word "inbed". Which is one letter away from "inbred", which is what this guy is.
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ChlamydiaJones posted:Friend him on FB! He accepts all comers apparently and is really... well, really nutty anyway! Not to mention 2 of his sons. I'm sure the 2 separate incidents will be served consecutively but with so many drat charges in the 2014 indictment, they are fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
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How do these people manage to so consistently make themselves look stupider the smarter they pretend to be.
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Al! posted:How do these people manage to so consistently make themselves look stupider the smarter they pretend to be. Give them time to finish working out how to overthrow the Feds.
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So they'll be eligible for parole in 6 months  Goddamn, that blew up Santilli's bullshit "I'm just a reporter" claim. They are all going to die in prison.
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Have the prosecutors announced their intentions yet? Are they offering plea deals to anyone? The absolute mountain of evidence making them look ignorant, dangerous, and bloodthirsty, and that they are being represented by public defenders does seem like no jury in the world could fail to convict, but you never know.
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Al! posted:Have the prosecutors announced their intentions yet? Are they offering plea deals to anyone? The absolute mountain of evidence making them look ignorant, dangerous, and bloodthirsty, and that they are being represented by public defenders does seem like no jury in the world could fail to convict, but you never know. They'll probably be offering the plea deals to the small fish (the bridge snipers, refuge occupiers etc) in the coming weeks. These guys are probably going to be figurative(?) heads on pikes for the militias.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:https://twitter.com/Patztense/status/700002344235302912 I love how he posts images saying the FBI are nazis, and then posts Neo-nazi white power stuff.
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twistedmentat posted:I love how he posts images saying the FBI are nazis, and then posts Neo-nazi white power stuff. Fed plant spotted!
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I really hope that JJ MacNab doesn't get her rear end shot over this. I see what she's saying on twitter and she's right but the people she's saying it to are out of their loving minds. Be safe JJ, please.
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Seriously. I want to buy her book so she needs to finish it before these wackados decide she needs to learn some proper respect for the constitution.
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Al! posted:Have the prosecutors announced their intentions yet? Are they offering plea deals to anyone? The absolute mountain of evidence making them look ignorant, dangerous, and bloodthirsty, and that they are being represented by public defenders does seem like no jury in the world could fail to convict, but you never know. Cliven will not be offered anything other than a cell to live in until he dies. His sons getting plea deals would be absurd because the evidence against them for decades worth of prison time is pretty insurmountable. Maybe they'll get out on parole in a very long time but the Feds have zero reason to show any mercy to armed secessionists or an old rear end in a top hat who has been the source of numerous danger and violent stands against the law.
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Do they do sentence discounts for guilty pleas in America?
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Evil Fluffy posted:Cliven will not be offered anything other than a cell to live in until he dies. His sons getting plea deals would be absurd because the evidence against them for decades worth of prison time is pretty insurmountable. Maybe they'll get out on parole in a very long time but the Feds have zero reason to show any mercy to armed secessionists or an old rear end in a top hat who has been the source of numerous danger and violent stands against the law. It also raises the profile of any plea deals they do offer while simultaneously demonstrating how effective they can be when they want to hold someone fully accountable for their crimes. Throwing the likes of the bundy family crime syndicate in prison for the rest of their days is like a brushback pitch, to scare the hell out of some of the next gaggle of fuckers who want to try dicking around.
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