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Dienes posted:I have heard similar, including from Dan Savage. The notion that women are just more fluid in their sexuality and men must be hard wired to be attracted one gender or the other and is incapable of being both. They love to quote some study in which women exhibited physical sexual reactions to a broader set of stimuli (straight porn, gay porn, lesbian porn, animal porn) than men of any orientation did, and never happened to consider why that may be outside of "Women must just be bi and men are all or nothing." They alternative is that women are sluts, so it is probably for the best they came to that conclusion.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Anyone else sick to death of "Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash"? I was able to hide shares from it, but not people liking it. The dank meme stash is a victim of how everyone wants to be funny but few people actually are. There are many good and cool Bernie memes to be found (many end up in the meme thread here on PYF) but very few originate on that page, because it is mostly the kind of crap you are talking about.
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I tell people I'm a lesbian because I'm with the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with, but really I'm somewhere on the grayscale of sexuality. But explaining "well I like women a lot, and generally gravitate towards them, but would/have dated trans men/women, or cis men, I dunno..." I'm guilty of not just coming out and saying 'bisexual' because I don't want to deal with the conversation. Good god do bisexuals get a lot of poo poo. However, there ARE people who call themselves bisexual and never intend on spending their life with someone of the same sex. That's where it gets even more confusing, and I think where the anger from gay and lesbian folks originates. Drunkenly making out with another girl while listening to that one Katy Perry song doesn't necessarily make you bisexual, in my opinion. Bi-curious, really. But really, if I had my druthers, I'd be standing on a hill screaming 'SEXUALITY IS A GRAYSCALE YOU TURDS' over and over until someone muzzles me.
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I think I was a bit biphobic in college, because pretty much all of my female friends came out as bisexual at once and it seemed pretty strongly like they were doing the sexuality tourism thing. It really does feel lovely to see people doing the ~woo college wacky kiss a girl~ thing when you've suffered for being gay for years before that. I'm chiller about it now though  People can identify as what they identify as and it's not my place to be prescriptive.
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porkswordonboard posted:I tell people I'm a lesbian because I'm with the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with, but really I'm somewhere on the grayscale of sexuality. But explaining "well I like women a lot, and generally gravitate towards them, but would/have dated trans men/women, or cis men, I dunno..." I'm guilty of not just coming out and saying 'bisexual' because I don't want to deal with the conversation. Good god do bisexuals get a lot of poo poo. I've hesitated to identify as non-hetero for similar reasons. I'm a man who's only ever been with women, am married to a woman, and am primarily attracted to women, but I do on occasion find myself sexually attracted to some men. It almost feels... unfair to try and identify myself as non-hetero because I'm never going to get poo poo in my day to day life like gays, trans, and the like will.
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porkswordonboard posted:I tell people I'm a lesbian because I'm with the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with, but really I'm somewhere on the grayscale of sexuality. But explaining "well I like women a lot, and generally gravitate towards them, but would/have dated trans men/women, or cis men, I dunno..." I'm guilty of not just coming out and saying 'bisexual' because I don't want to deal with the conversation. Good god do bisexuals get a lot of poo poo. I'm married to a bi guy and I still have relationships with women. Like, I see why it can be really frustrating to deal with a person who just kissed the same gender once and then says they "get" all the LGBT issues as well as someone that's lived gay their entire life, but it kinda sucks being told my sexuality isn't real because the person I married has a dick. Scathach has a new favorite as of 02:33 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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porkswordonboard posted:However, there ARE people who call themselves bisexual and never intend on spending their life with someone of the same sex. That's where it gets even more confusing, and I think where the anger from gay and lesbian folks originates. Drunkenly making out with another girl while listening to that one Katy Perry song doesn't necessarily make you bisexual, in my opinion. Bi-curious, really. Please don't take this as an attack on your point, but I've found a lot of the reasoning some people go through is, "I've never seen this person with a member of the same sex, and therefore they are probably one of those fake bisexuals" and I feel like it can be a little more complicated than that. Even if you're 10% attracted to people of the same sex, but would prefer a opposite sex partner, you're still a bisexual*, in that you are attracted to more than one sex. Moreover, at least from a personal standpoint, I grew up with a lot of homophobic friends/acquaintances/family and the idea of having to come out to any of them still paralyzes me into not pursuing any long-term or super public relationships with the same sex. *: Unless, for whatever reason, you don't feel like you want to identify that way.
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CommonShore posted:I've heard discussion of this sentiment (not its promotion mind you, just its discussion) from lesbian and bisexual women, too - an anxiety that the 'bisexual woman' is just a kind of sexual tourist, having her 'college fling' or 'experimentation' or whatever which will ultimately result in abandonment. This is usually what I run into, with younger (under mid-late 20s) lesbians moreso than ones closer to 30s. It's great when things get started with another woman but then they find out I've dated and slept with men and it's suddenly, "oh so this is just a temporary thing." Or dudes who immediately cruise into "so you'll want a threesome, right  " territory. The last guy I was with harped on this for loving months and tried to phrase it like, "oh it's something I would do for you," like he didn't want it despite my repeated and constant assertions I had no interest in it.porkswordonboard posted:However, there ARE people who call themselves bisexual and never intend on spending their life with someone of the same sex. That's where it gets even more confusing, and I think where the anger from gay and lesbian folks originates. Drunkenly making out with another girl while listening to that one Katy Perry song doesn't necessarily make you bisexual, in my opinion. Bi-curious, really. Telling people they have to define bisexual the same way you do is still erasure dude, sorry. Not being up front about only wanting something casual makes someone a dick, not kicked out of the bi club. 13Pandora13 has a new favorite as of 02:39 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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It's tricky to have a queer spectrum that includes so many different experiences of discrimination; humans are pretty bad at diversity and we really seem to like direct comparisons and hierarchies of magnitude. I identified as a lesbian (and was one teenage makeout shy of gold-star status) when I met my husband, but I get all kinds of straight privilege because I'm married to him. There's no doubt that I'm still on the LGBTQ spectrum, but there's also no doubt that my experience on that spectrum is pretty different now. So I just say "queer" and let people draw their own conclusions. porkswordonboard posted:However, there ARE people who call themselves bisexual and never intend on spending their life with someone of the same sex. That's where it gets even more confusing, and I think where the anger from gay and lesbian folks originates. Drunkenly making out with another girl while listening to that one Katy Perry song doesn't necessarily make you bisexual, in my opinion. Bi-curious, really. There are also straight people who never intend on spending their lives with someone of the opposite sex. You don't have to be married (or even monogamous) to earn your sexuality. Dogfish has a new favorite as of 02:53 on Feb 18, 2016 |
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cash crab posted:Please don't take this as an attack on your point, but I've found a lot of the reasoning some people go through is, "I've never seen this person with a member of the same sex, and therefore they are probably one of those fake bisexuals" and I feel like it can be a little more complicated than that. Even if you're 10% attracted to people of the same sex, but would prefer a opposite sex partner, you're still a bisexual*, in that you are attracted to more than one sex. Moreover, at least from a personal standpoint, I grew up with a lot of homophobic friends/acquaintances/family and the idea of having to come out to any of them still paralyzes me into not pursuing any long-term or super public relationships with the same sex. Under the Rainbow: Genocidal Emasculation and Big Budget American Rape Darth Vader is a big black dick raping the galaxy. The hard plastic shell of his costume mimics an erection, and Vader carries a large and imposing physical stature. Don’t believe me? His dickhead helmet is a dead giveaway. Vader represents the kind of toxic masculinity that’s become a popular point of critique after the jump to Progressive light-speed post-1960. While Vader eventually meets his emasculation when the mask comes off and he’s revealed to be a fat white doofus, Lucas permits Vader to carry the credibility of power and dread for two-and-a-half movies, perhaps mimicking the white man’s “reign of terror” until a kind of genocidal emasculation was put into motion, in media and academia, by second-wave feminism and the sexual revolution. Even still, Vader is permitted to be a free roaming force for quite sometime, years between movies, until the Progressive payoff at the end of “Return of the Jedi” (1983). Contrast this with the near immediate emasculation of Vader’s modern replacement in “The Force Awakens” (2015) and we get an accurate read of the progress “genocidal emasculation” has made since its genisys. To contrast the imposing Vader, his beta-male replacement appears weak and small; his costume has a soft look to it, and his helmet still looks like a dickhead- but this time, a thin and sad dickhead. In contrast to Vader, Kylo Ren is a flaccid penis. And while Darth Vader was able to rape the galaxy for two-and-a-half movies before meeting his fatal emasculation, it came as no surprise that only halfway through Kylo’s first movie, in a scene of social justice pornography, Ren’s sad penis helmet comes off revealing the ugliest actor possible, and he fails at attempting to force rape our beautiful heroine. If you think I’m imposing a rape metaphor, lets take a closer look at the scene. Ren has our girl-power cliche character tied down to some kind of future chair. He tells her that he can “take whatever [he wants].” He then uses his force powers on her, she resists, and he runs away frustrated. Cue SJW high-fives. Later on he tearfully confesses his lack of strength. Cue more high-fives. Welcome to big budget American Rape. The only point of commonality between real rape and American Rape are the letters. Anything else is as distant as a real event compared to the TV movie; all similarities are coincidental. American Rape is about narrative and identity. Retaining a veneer of institutionalized victimhood for a class who are otherwise the world’s aristocracy. Rape stems from the biologically programmed immorality of male sexuality, something all men are burdened with. Subsequently, taming such sexuality is a task that no man can be entirely trusted with. Male sexuality is forever aimed at all women equally, like a loaded gun, making all men potential rapists while all women are potential victims. Women say rape is about power because white men are powerful, and only white men commit rape. This has become a hallmark of American Rape. The feminist radio silence on the migrant rape epidemic in Europe is clear indication of this; migrant rape is real, and American Rape isn’t. Migrant rape doesn’t fit the American Rape narrative, and American women only care about American Rape. In times of doubt, we can look to the blessed If you didn’t go to a Government school and weren’t taught from the Progressive bible, “To Kill a Mockingbird” hinges on a white woman making a false rape accusation against a black man. If you’re a good Progressive, and I know you are, alarm bells should be going on in your head as you know that only white men commit American Rape, but Saint Lee first focuses our attention on the accusation itself, making sure its clear that it should carry no penalty for the woman: “I say guilt, gentlemen, because it was guilt that motivated her. She has committed no crime, she has merely broken a rigid and time-honored code of our society, a code so severe that whoever breaks it is hounded from our midst as unfit to live with. She is the victim of cruel poverty and ignorance… She was white and she tempted a Negro. She did something in our society that was unspeakable: she kissed a black man. No code mattered to her before she broke it, but it came crashing down on her afterwards.” (Emphasis added) Lee is able to take liberates in her rationalization of the false rape accusation by exploiting the race narrative which she knows will invalidate any criticism she may have otherwise received. If you like Mockingbird, you’re supposed to, if you don’t like Mockingbird, you’re a racist. Her use of the word “merely” after the quick assertion that Mayella has “committed no crime” is perhaps the most disturbing part of the passage. “Merely” is reductionary and diminutive in nature as Lee wants the focus taken off the accusation. Despite the potentiality of ruining lives and wasting time, it was really no biggie. Lee wants the emphasis on rationalizing why a woman might make a false accusation, and, as it turns out, it’s because she’s actually the victim! And, furthermore, the victim of institutionalized racism and social flaw; she had no choice, it wasn’t her fault, and she deserves sympathy. Sympathy is reserved for everyone in “To Kill a Mockingbird” but white men. White men deserve no sympathy. They are just too drat sexy and didn’t want to take ugly little Harper Lee to the sock hop in high school. Wait, what? Even if the fake rape accusation shouldn’t be prosecuted as a crime, Lee wants the reader to know that her stance on real rape is unflinching: “You know rape’s a capital offense in Alabama,” said Atticus. Jem was shaking his head. “…maybe rape shouldn’t be a capital offense…” Atticus dropped his newspaper beside his chair. He said he didn’t have any quarrel with the rape statute, none whatever… So, if we’re keeping score, according to Harper Lee in a book read in every single Government High School in America, a false rape accusation is forgivable because of reasons and an actual rape conviction should carry the penalty of death. Death. The price of stolen female sexuality should be death. Our benevolent saint explains the problem- evil male sexuality. Watch as she carefully groups immorality with heterosexuality: “There is not a person in this courtroom who has never told a lie, who has never done an immoral thing, and there is no man living who has never looked upon a woman without desire.” Finally, Lee’s agenda is clear: all men are infected with immoral sexual desire, rape should be a capital offense, and a false rape accusation is really no big deal. So, with a bit of reordering and clarification: if male sexuality is equally immoral and pervasive then all rape accusations should be taken seriously, a rape conviction should carry the penalty of death, and if the accusation is found to be false, the woman who made the accusation is actually the victim of institutionalized whatever. Civilization isn’t possible without holding rape as a severe crime against humanity carrying severe consequences. Even temporarily stripping the act of immorality, and putting aside the personal devastation the victim faces, rape is antagonistic to a strong, family-driven society and using Civilization as our morality, rape must be of the highest taboo. Big budget American Rape is exploiting this taboo for social power and emotional support for a group who are greedy cultural aristocrats, and there is big money to be made when the narrative of American Rape is made into a consumer product. 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Such Fun posted:I think the negative attitude gay man have against bi guys is mostly a form of resentment. The reasoning being that a bi guy might like a bit of cock right now, but in the end he will settle for a woman and start a happy family that's fully accepted by society.
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cash crab posted:Even if you're 10% attracted to people of the same sex, but would prefer a opposite sex partner, you're still a bisexual*, in that you are attracted to more than one sex. Doesn't that mean everybody is bisexual, though?
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Byzantine posted:Doesn't that mean everybody is bisexual, though? Death to labels, gently caress whatever consenting adult you want~
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Byzantine posted:Doesn't that mean everybody is bisexual, though? You could score at one of the extreme ends of the Kinsey spectrum.
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Maker Of Shoes posted:It's this thread. The thread is IoSM. No one is born with a fetish. In fact, almost nothing is “innately” sexually relevant – at birth, the only thing that sexually arouses us is the sensations of our genitals. So what happens is that from birth, our brains begin linking that sensation with external stimuli – the sensation of our genitals against our hands, the sights and smells around us, people, etc Remember “classical conditioning” from your college psych class? Pavlov’s dogs learning to salivate when a bell rang, because the bell was associated with food? It’s like that. This process has actually been modeled in rats. Lets look at the cuckold fetish. How many guys who do not watch cuckold porn are actually turned on by the idea of watching someone else bang their lovers in front of them.? In the 1970s, scientists wanted to know if they could condition a sexual reflex in men. First they got volunteers and hooked them up to a device that measured tumescence. Then they showed the men slides. The sequence of slides was always the same - naked women, and then boots. Naked women, and then boots. After some time, the scientists were pleased to see that the men responded to pictures of boots without ever seeing the naked women. Some of the men even showed response to sandals and high heels. They managed to instill fetishes in human beings. It would be interesting to see how deeply the fetishes "took." Was it specific to time and place, or did the scientists engineer a lifelong fetish in people? Now imagine sites like"MOM GOING BLACK" and "BLACKED" and" WATCHING MY DAUGHTER GO BLACK" being constantly promoted. Imagine the impact on a 16 year old white guy over prescribed with "ADD/ADHD" 'mental disorder' watching that stuff and if he gets caught his social life is going to be ruined for life. And if he tries to reason on it with school officials am quite sure he is going to be identified as a transexual. A number of researchers have hypothesized that, based on classical conditioning theory, individuals' sexual response system becomes conditioned to respond to particular stimuli that are characteristics of the potential sexual partner, such as feet, shoes, etc. and consequently becomes preoccupied sexually with that stimulus rather than the partner associated with it. Empirical research has demonstrated, for instance, that men may be conditioned under experimental conditions to develop an erection in response to specific stimuli, such as boots (Rachman, 1966; Rachman and Hodgson, 1968). Reinforcement to maintain the behavior over an extended period of time may result from masturbation and orgasm (McGuire, Carlisle, and Young, 1965). Thus proving that fetish can be developed. If done correctly even white guys could be turned on by the though of sucking black dick. All in extreme cases the WHite women could be programmed to only cum to black penis and get turned off by white men. Some of us here should take the initiative and start producing WHITE ON WHITE porn before its all over.
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BgRdMchne posted:Watching interracial porn made me trans-black.
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Scathach posted:See that drives me nuts, because I feel like favoring one hardship over another is stupid. But then, I'm a girl and apparently lesbians are a lot less biphobic so I haven't really had to deal with that and I guess with the new crop of people seeing themselves as bisexual/pansexual things are getting a bit friendlier. For a group of people saying "you can't choose who you fall in love with" it sure seems like a lot of them are telling us that we're choosing who to fall in love with... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUozcqlhX3w One of the people on my facebook posted this once with a bunch of garbage about how bisexual women treat lesbians like some sort of fun fling and then go back to sucking dicks like the dirty sluts they are. I unfriended them pretty soon after this because they were also the sort to scream about how they were a GoldStar Lesbian(tm).
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BgRdMchne posted:Watching interracial porn made me trans-black. I think that means you left the cock ring on too long.
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Byzantine posted:Doesn't that mean everybody is bisexual, though? Yes, but especially you.
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I honestly don't think I have ever in my life seen someone project so hard. The conclusion drawn between the second and third paragraph is on "I didn't like it... but my sister must have" levels of incomprehensibility. I have to know where this is from. I have to see his explanation for thinking that watching interracial porn at school makes him trans. Anyway, I also wanted to contribute some fresh content, which is probably the sweetest IoSM I've seen in a while, but is still strange and dumb. Orange is some random friend of the girl who shared the video.  I dunno I just really get a  feeling from people having pointless conversations in Facebook comments rather than in private messages.
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Byzantine posted:Doesn't that mean everybody is bisexual, though? No. I'm gαy.
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Birb Katter posted:They would have been here in person but police shot and killed them unlawfully. Makes sense they wouldn't be in the lawful orders room then, doesn't it?
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Ease up on the walls of text a bit LoB. I think that post has been made by yourself or other mods about 10 times in this thread. He usually then goes on to post 3 walls in a single page. Thank god for the ignore button.
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I don't, I'm just pointing out that him being told to cut it out has been brought up plenty of times already. I don't care either way, but his posts are a pain when you're reading on your phone and it turns into a scrollfest. It's like reading GBS.
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I've noticed that most of his biggest walls of text come up as a way to end derails. The more content that the thread provides, the shorter his posts. He's a necessary force of nature. So if you're on your phone you either get 3 screens of not-IOSM or 3 screens of LoB extreme IOSM.
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