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The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Out here, everything hurts.





go3 posted:

EVE Online is for you!

To be fair, Eve's market system is amazing.

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Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

go3 posted:

EVE Online is for you!

I, however, am not for EVE Online. I have friendzoned EVE Online.

DrunkenGarbageCan
Nov 4, 2009
If the UI guy still reads this thread please, please put Crafting Material missions at the top with Rich missions.

Also I need to be careful with the ability to shift-click buy 9999 at a time...I already had 20k Medpacs didn't really need 10k more.

Edit: or maybe a toggle to not show anything below Bountiful.

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).
When does Sith Warrior (The branch that has the tank spec) get interesting?

I have been playing a bounty hunter so far and have finished the vanilla game now. I can't get comfortable with how my bounty hunter with its 2 piddly blasters going prrrt prrrrt can so easily take down Jedis and such. I can't really get comfortable with playing a star wars game and not wielding a lightsaber either. Both of these things feels "wrong" so i decided to try out a sith warrior. Being a player that enjoys support classes i picked the tank spec (juggernaught?)

Problem is it is just so...boring. I have never played such an unengaging melee class in any MMO, and melee is my preferred playstyle. All the attacks feels so slow and cumbersome. There is no flow in combat, no chained attacks, no combos. Having to use the "auto attack" so often just to generate a piddly amount of resource so i can use slightly less boring skills doesn't breed much interest in continuing this class.
I am level 20 now, does this class ever get interesting? (Do they get away with it being boring because its a MMO and you get to play a light saber user?)

JonathonSpectre
Jul 23, 2003

I replaced the Shermatar and text with this because I don't wanna see racial slurs every time you post what the fuck

Soiled Meat
Hmm, I think even the tank Sith warrior is an engine of destruction who can ping-pong around groups mauling everything. Because you say you have to use the regular attack to build rage a lot your experience is quite different from mine, I jump in and immediately open with aegis assault (the active tank skill you get at low level) which boosts your defense and gives you a ton of rage, and then use it on cooldown and I have to throw a basic attack maybe once a combat if that to have enough rage to fight with. You also have enrage on a relatively short timer for out-of-rage situations.

For a typical group of mooks I jump in, aegis assault, and then do crushing blow (which now hits and knocks down all of them due to the aegis assault buff) and then do an AE or maybe two and everything is dead. Against targets with lots of health it does take awhile to whittle them down, so I just turn my companion to DPS and burn tank cooldowns while we fight it and watch its health disintegrate.

Don't forget to riposte every chance you get, and the best-looking thing the SW can do is force choke someone and then immediately ravage them. Hey how about you hang in the air strangling while I just whale the poo poo out of you?

Also if you set your companion to heal you are functionally immortal and can kill an almost unlimited number of things at one time.

Dunno-Lars
Apr 7, 2011
:norway:

:iiam:



Sith Juggernaut is the slow, heavy-hitting, calculated class. If you want the ADHD slapping one, you want Maradurr.

Try leveling with Vengeance or whatever the last one is. Ranged companion in DPS for most fights, heal if you struggle with a fight.

I love my Jugg, the heavy hits feels very satisfying to me.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
I have a rage-specced Jugg, it's awesome for DPS. But as Dunno-Lars mentioned, it's heavy-hitting rather than Tasmanian Devil like a Marauder would be.

Think Vader instead of Darth Maul, I guess.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Juggernaut also kills people by screaming at them. I love my Sniper and my Marauder, but I feel way more powerful with my Rage Juggernaut. She gets the biggest crits it seems and a fully charged Smash can still wipe out a group of weak mobs.

Guardian, on the other hand, feels like you describe. Instead of screaming, you wave your sword at the enemy. Brutal backhand in tank stance? Nope, you hilt bash them. Ravage? Nope, now you're a ballerina who does a Blade Dance.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Medullah posted:

Juggernaut also kills people by screaming at them. I love my Sniper and my Marauder, but I feel way more powerful with my Rage Juggernaut. She gets the biggest crits it seems and a fully charged Smash can still wipe out a group of weak mobs.

Guardian, on the other hand, feels like you describe. Instead of screaming, you wave your sword at the enemy. Brutal backhand in tank stance? Nope, you hilt bash them. Ravage? Nope, now you're a ballerina who does a Blade Dance.

Also, the Guardian yells something like "yaaaaaaaa!" every time they use their vengeful slam equivalent. Gets really annoying.

Ineptitude
Mar 2, 2010

Heed my words and become a master of the Heart (of Thorns).
Thanks for the input!

I am playing Immortal juggernaught btw, if that makes a difference regarding slow gameplay. (I thought Juggernaught was the spec but apparently that is the whole subclass)
How is the sith sorcerer tank (Darkness assassin?) compared to the Immortal?
Is it more of a "spell caster tank" than a "physical dps tank" ?
Do they both get heavy armor? (Does immortal get heavy armor? Mine is in full medium but i haven't gotten any armor quest rewards yet)

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
Sorcs do not wear heavy armor, Warriors do. I don't think tanks do DPS as much as they absorb it (although in this game, everything does some kind of damage).

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Ineptitude posted:

Thanks for the input!

I am playing Immortal juggernaught btw, if that makes a difference regarding slow gameplay. (I thought Juggernaught was the spec but apparently that is the whole subclass)
How is the sith sorcerer tank (Darkness assassin?) compared to the Immortal?
Is it more of a "spell caster tank" than a "physical dps tank" ?
Do they both get heavy armor? (Does immortal get heavy armor? Mine is in full medium but i haven't gotten any armor quest rewards yet)

Sorc is an advanced class that can't tank, you're thinking of Assassin. They focus less on direct melee and use short range lightning attacks along with Wither, an AoE force attack that is a purple cloud of doom. I personally enjoy Assassin tank the most out of the three types, but it also has a higher skill level and are much harder to gear than a Juggernaut at endgame.

Mr. Neutron
Sep 15, 2012

~I'M THE BEST~
I found Kinetic Combat (Darkness) Shadow (Assassin) difficult to play properly because you need to keep track of your selfbuffs and enemy debuffs and both are really, really annoying in a game that does not support addons. Yes, the UI can be somewhat customized but that was not enough for me to feel comfortable. Guardian (Immortal) has a lot of selfbuffs too but there is no need at all to track them, just fire away whatever is not on CD/lights up (yes, there is a proper rotation but forget about it, just follow a simple priority system)

Mr. Neutron fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Feb 18, 2016

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Medullah posted:

Sorc is an advanced class that can't tank, you're thinking of Assassin. They focus less on direct melee and use short range lightning attacks along with Wither, an AoE force attack that is a purple cloud of doom. I personally enjoy Assassin tank the most out of the three types, but it also has a higher skill level and are much harder to gear than a Juggernaut at endgame.

It's definitely the tank I've had the most difficulty with (I apparently have not heard of this "Wither" thing before :blush: (although my dualsaber tank is actually a Jedi, so it's going to have a different name)), but the big plus is that you get stealth, which makes so many things easier in sololand.

prefect fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Feb 18, 2016

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Mr. Neutron posted:

I found Kinetic Combat (Darkness) Shadow (Assassin) difficult to play properly because you need to keep track of your selfbuffs and enemy debuffs and both are really, really annoying in a game that does not support addons. Yes, the UI can be somewhat customized but that was not enough for me to feel comfortable. Guardian (Immortal) has a lot of selfbuffs too but there is no need at all to track them, just fire away whatever is not on CD/lights up (yes, there is a proper rotation but forget about it, just follow a simple priority system)

Juggernaut and Powertech both have a very basic rotation compared to Assassin but it's not that different, honestly, as far as debuffs go. Defensive cooldowns, however, should not be used as soon as they're off cool down. You should learn which cool down is needed for which situation. Juggernaut actually has the most defensive cool downs to learn, but they're fairly basic. Assassin has a few, and Powertech has essentially the most basic of them.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

prefect posted:

It's definitely the tank I've had the most difficulty with (I apparently have not heard of this "Wither" thing before :blush:), but the big plus is that you get stealth, which makes so many things easier in sololand.

...Wither is your primary move (Slow Time on Shadow). It builds stacks of Harnessed Darkness (along with shock), which is what procs your Deprecating Volts to build stacks of your primary defensive buff.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Patch made the craftable relics BoE instead of BoP so I can make 220 relics that are a bit cheaper in materials than the raid level 220 ones which are just slightly better. I believe the 220 relics take 3 Strategic Resource Matrixes instead of 3 Dark Matter Catalysts like the raid versions.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Medullah posted:

...Wither is your primary move (Slow Time on Shadow). It builds stacks of Harnessed Darkness (along with shock), which is what procs your Deprecating Volts to build stacks of your primary defensive buff.

I'm definitely not using Slow Time enough -- it's not part of my primary "rotation".

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Is it just me or does it feel like people are spending less on the GTN? There's a general price drop for most items, unless they're super rare, and sales take longer than they used to. I used to be able to buy a hypercrate off the GTN, unbind the contents, and move the items in a few days at a good price. Now it takes a few weeks and I get less overall.

Crafting for profit is even worse if you don't have Ops schematics. People are still selling crafted items for less than the material costs.

Telex
Feb 11, 2003

Hulk Smash! posted:

Is it just me or does it feel like people are spending less on the GTN? There's a general price drop for most items, unless they're super rare, and sales take longer than they used to. I used to be able to buy a hypercrate off the GTN, unbind the contents, and move the items in a few days at a good price. Now it takes a few weeks and I get less overall.

Crafting for profit is even worse if you don't have Ops schematics. People are still selling crafted items for less than the material costs.

I don't think volume is less, I think there's an excessive amount of supply because 99% of people only wanted 1 or 2 items from the hypercrates AND there's now a glut of old stuff up there for people who have lots of money and were waiting to find a deal on old stuff.

Nothing from my hypercrate is selling for what i'd like to sell it for so I'm banking it and waiting for a while until the supply is down. I made around 10mil off the one I bought and I only sold about 1/3 of it. (oddly, the best sellers were emotes and a couple old mounts).

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
Inflation from the item stack exploit might finally be settling down too. There were people who made hundreds of millions off that who bought whatever they wanted for whatever price because they had literally infinite supplies of cash.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Medullah posted:

Inflation from the item stack exploit might finally be settling down too. There were people who made hundreds of millions off that who bought whatever they wanted for whatever price because they had literally infinite supplies of cash.

If I had that kind of space-dough I'd probably buy a fully unlocked personal guild ship. But yes, that might be part of the issue.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Hulk Smash! posted:

If I had that kind of space-dough I'd probably buy a fully unlocked personal guild ship. But yes, that might be part of the issue.

One guy did. He posted on Reddit that it was one of the many things he purchased.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

Ineptitude posted:

I am playing Immortal juggernaught btw, if that makes a difference regarding slow gameplay. (I thought Juggernaught was the spec but apparently that is the whole subclass)

I like levelling with tank specs, especially now that companions are so hilariously overpowered. Once I start getting enough defensive cooldowns, my "strategy" shifts towards "Pull a train of 4-6 elites & strongs then kill them faster than they can kill me".

BUT: Major caveat -- I've already completed the game and unlocked (nearly) all the Datacrons, so all my characters are considerably stronger at lower levels until the Mastery from datacrons gets kind of drowned out by the accumulated mastery from levels and gear. If you haven't gotten all of them yet, I think it's worth getting them all on your Bounty Hunter. Some of them are a little bit tedious but you only have to do them once, at last. :v:

The Sith Assassin tank is kind of fun to play, but having to have these purple glowy books spinning around you all the time kind of ruins the look of it.

Also, the reason you felt Bounty Hunter was piddly is you didn't pick Powertech. Getting to jetpack into a pack of enemies, rocket punching them and setting them on fire while launching missiles from your shoulder is way more satisfying than... dual wielding pea shooters.

:getin:

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Jan posted:

Also, the reason you felt Bounty Hunter was piddly is you didn't pick Powertech. Getting to jetpack into a pack of enemies, rocket punching them and setting them on fire while launching missiles from your shoulder is way more satisfying than... dual wielding pea shooters.

:getin:

If your pistols are making you feel inadequate, get the Czerka gatling pistols from the store -- they're as big as small rifles.

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

Looks like the returning companion for Chapter XI will be Aric Jorgan. Teaser trailer thing's up on their site: http://www.swtor.com/fallen-empire/chapters?intcmp=sor_bwa-mkt-t-us-lp-040

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug
I hope I can set him on fire.

Or demote him to private, that'd do I suppose.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Aleth posted:

I hope I can set him on fire.

Or demote him to private, that'd do I suppose.

Why is there so much hate for Aric "Detective Lassiter" Jorgan

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

He's boring and by the book.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

I hope we can dunk cat soldier in a water tank.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Alter Ego posted:

Why is there so much hate for Aric "Detective Lassiter" Jorgan

He's a real cock to you right away when you meet him; he's giving the orders and he wants to make sure you know you're scum.

He gradually improves, but it's off-putting.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Alter Ego posted:

Why is there so much hate for Aric "Detective Lassiter" Jorgan

He is a hardass CO at the start of the Trooper storyline and because nerds are babies in this for a power fantasy they have never forgiven him

Big Bowie Bonanza
Dec 30, 2007

please tell me where i can date this cute boy

prefect posted:

He's a real cock to you right away when you meet him; he's giving the orders and he wants to make sure you know you're scum.

He gradually improves, but it's off-putting.

your character should be off pudding

KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

Jam Buddies

Fojar38 posted:

He is a hardass CO at the start of the Trooper storyline and because nerds are babies in this for a power fantasy they have never forgiven him

He's also a whiny bitch who expects everything to fall in his lap afterwards. Yeah you got demoted because guess what, you hosed up. Oh so now you're going to take it out on the imperial defector? Nah I'm promoting her instead of you, every time.



It's even worse because he's the fem!trooper romance option, and is just insufferable in it.

Not that any of the fem character romances aren't insufferable.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band
Using the "Sort" functions in the Cargo Hold no longer causes item loss.

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

So I only just got to balmorra and I'm level 35. What happens if I cap before I finish the story? Anything? Or it's just a situation where you can go back and finish the story if you want to?

Ratzap
Jun 9, 2012

Let no pie go wasted
Soiled Meat

Bob NewSCART posted:

So I only just got to balmorra and I'm level 35. What happens if I cap before I finish the story? Anything? Or it's just a situation where you can go back and finish the story if you want to?

Nothing, it just caps you to the max for the zone. Just keep Doing the story, you're fine and it makes no difference.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

KittyEmpress posted:

He's also a whiny bitch who expects everything to fall in his lap afterwards. Yeah you got demoted because guess what, you hosed up. Oh so now you're going to take it out on the imperial defector? Nah I'm promoting her instead of you, every time.



It's even worse because he's the fem!trooper romance option, and is just insufferable in it.

Not that any of the fem character romances aren't insufferable.

Like almost every female romance option before SoR is pretty bad for some reason??? I have a soft spot for Corso, I guess, but maybe I just like his accent.

Fortunately in the actual new content I can just be as gay as my gay little heart desires, but it's annoying when I'm leveling alts.

Dalris Othaine
Oct 14, 2013

I think, therefore I am inevitable.

Bob NewSCART posted:

So I only just got to balmorra and I'm level 35. What happens if I cap before I finish the story? Anything? Or it's just a situation where you can go back and finish the story if you want to?

Nothing. You can still do everything except gain character XP.

e: f,b

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Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Bob NewSCART posted:

So I only just got to balmorra and I'm level 35. What happens if I cap before I finish the story? Anything? Or it's just a situation where you can go back and finish the story if you want to?

Don't listen to these guys, if you hit max level before you finish the story your character is automatically deleted! BEWARE!

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