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Dreylad posted:This is getting pedantic. There is a difference between providing incentives to one pension plan versus providing it to all of them. I can't help but be pedantic, sorry. You're saying that the OLP isn't influencing the ORPP to invest in Ontario infrastructure because the OLP is influencing all Ontario pensions to invest in Ontario infrastructure including the ORPP. You've got me, I give up.
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New $52 monthly (!!!) fee introduced for disabled people with BC Bus Pass. I feel sick. Those wannabe terrorists were onto something tbh. We need to burn Victoria to the loving ground.
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THC posted:We need to burn Victoria to the loving ground. Please don't.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:31
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figuratively speaking
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Feel free to burn the main BC transit office to the ground, it's run by horrific liberal appointees. But Victoria is nice, probably the least bad part of a very bad province.
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THC posted:New $52 monthly (!!!) fee introduced for disabled people with BC Bus Pass. I feel sick. Some RCMP officers will be at your door shortly to provide you with a bomb making kit.
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Feb 18, 2016 21:39
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ZShakespeare posted:Some RCMP officers will be at your door shortly to provide you with a bomb making kit. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eWIGTqJBcw
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Feb 18, 2016 21:53
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gently caress hootsuite
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Burn BC to the ground, start over. The Okanagan gets the right idea every summer, we just need to expand that to the rest of the province.
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Feb 18, 2016 22:33
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gently caress this province gently caress this province
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Feb 18, 2016 22:45
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Eh, $52 per month, that's pretty cheap for a monthly transit pa-- quote:additional $52 monthly fee 
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Jan posted:Eh, $52 per month, that's pretty cheap for a monthly transit pa-- This additional fee actually sounds like it could be framed as discrimination based on physical disability, i.e. a pretty good case to take to the BC Human Rights Tribunal.
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gently caress this province
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They used to pay $45 a year. Now it's $52 a month, plus a $45 annual fee. But hey, the province finally raised disability benefits, after a 9 year freeze, by $77 a month, to a grand total of less than $1000 a month. Best place on earth! :iamafag:
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Feb 18, 2016 22:56
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:This additional fee actually sounds like it could be framed as discrimination based on physical disability, i.e. a pretty good case to take to the BC Human Rights Tribunal.
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Feb 18, 2016 22:59
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THC posted:UGH, what a ridiculous creation. Maybe we could just have some sort of "court", if you will, that concerns itself with the law. We could call it a Court of Law and use it to settle disputes and violations of the law, instead of setting up a parallel system with less regulation for seemingly no reason at all. No one's ever been able to explain to my satisfaction why we need human rights tribunals when we have courts. At best, it's superfluous and wasteful, and at worst it's actually harmful.
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This may come as a shock to you, but not everyone can afford "lawyers" and "court fees". Especially those groups of people who tend to have their human rights violated. E.g.: people living on $900 a month disability checks
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:This additional fee actually sounds like it could be framed as discrimination based on physical disability, i.e. a pretty good case to take to the BC Human Rights Tribunal. Especially since it doesn't apply to seniors who have the exact same $45 a year fee.
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THC posted:This may come as a shock to you, but not everyone can afford "lawyers" and "court fees". Especially those groups of people who tend to have their human rights violated. E.g.: people living on $900 a month disability checks Wouldn't it make more sense to make lawyers do a certain amount of pro bono work as a condition of being allowed to practice law, rather than setting up a separate parallel system of law that can be used to harass people who say unpopular things? This has the advantage of providing the disadvantaged groups you speak of with actual legal counsel, improving their chances of getting a favourable result.
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This way also works, and it makes you and Ezra mad so it's better.
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I am failing to see how providing disabled people with a smaller discount is discrimination against disabled people. Is not providing them with free transit discrimination? (I think it's still a lovely thing to do, I just don't see how this is possibly discriminatory.)
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THC posted:This may come as a shock to you, but not everyone can afford "lawyers" and "court fees". Especially those groups of people who tend to have their human rights violated. E.g.: people living on $900 a month disability checks BC Human Rights Tribunals are the last thing anyone should be defending. A noble idea, whose implementation is only a few steps from mob justice.
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They're actually fine and have produced a large number of good and just rulings. Of course it's impossible to truly right some wrongs after the fact but they give recourse to people who would otherwise have none.
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ocrumsprug posted:BC Human Rights Tribunals are the last thing anyone should be defending. Well, to be fair, defending lovely ideas is sort of THC's thing.
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Jordan7hm posted:I am failing to see how providing disabled people with a smaller discount is discrimination against disabled people. It also says that for some people the increase will be so big they might as well just buy their bus pass from BC Transit straight up, meaning their disabled pass will most more than buying the pass normally.
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Feb 19, 2016 00:18
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It's a discount off the price of the actual transit pass. If they just said gently caress You to the disabled and remove any transit pass subsidy is that also discrimination?
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It incentivizes people with disabilities to keep out of public, basically. Pretty gross.PT6A posted:Well, to be fair, defending lovely ideas is sort of THC's thing. You voted for and defended Stephen Harper in at least two elections.
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THC posted:It incentivizes people with disabilities to keep out of public, basically. Pretty gross. He was legitimately the least bad option on both occasions. As soon as a better option presented itself, I voted for that instead.
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BC HRT once made a guy pay $10k because he kept forcing his female employees to hug him. What a lovely idea. Who could defend such a thing?!
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PT6A posted:He was legitimately the least bad option on both occasions. As soon as a better option presented itself, I voted for that instead. No he was not you colossal idiot.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Michelle Rempel introduced this motion in the House. Eat poo poo feds, Israel is on the list of countries I don't buy products from alongside such wonderful places as Iran and Russia and it's going to stay there.
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THC posted:No he was not you colossal idiot. The NDP would not have governed well, and both Liberal leaders during those elections were unquestionably awful, especially Ignatieff. I mean, I suppose you could argue Dion wasn't bad if you have a thing for wussy little Frenchmen, but I certainly do not.
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HookShot posted:It's a fee that literally only people with Person With Disabilities designation need to pay. As in, it discriminates against people with disabilities because they are the only group of people who have to pay the new fee. A regular monthly pass is $85/mo. People with PWD designation will now need to pay $52/mo + $45/year. It's a pretty big increase, but it's also still a significant monthly discount. It's not discriminatory.
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PT6A posted:The NDP would not have governed well
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Freeze posted:A regular monthly pass is $85/mo. It's $85/month in Vancouver. Not everywhere. Here it's $65. In the Central Fraser Valley (Mission/Abbotsford) it's $52, meaning that they pay an extra $45 a year now over people who just buy a normal bus pass. In Duncan it's $48. The regular monthly price is lower than what disabled people are being charged. Plus the fact that it only applies to one specific group of people who are eligible for the BC Bus Pass (and not, for example, Seniors) makes it discriminatory as well. HookShot fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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PT6A posted:Wouldn't it make more sense to make lawyers do a certain amount of pro bono work as a condition of being allowed to practice law, rather than setting up a separate parallel system of law that can be used to harass people who say unpopular things? This would never happen. So rag on human rights tribunals all you want, but this idea is pure fantasy. Not only are lawyers the only class of people that would be able to lobby against this, even if it did pass I would like to see any government try and defend this. Do prosecutors have to do pro bono work as well? Would the government lawyers defending this legislation in the courts then have to go do some evening hours for some disadvantaged individual who may or may not be having his/her rights violated? This was a terribly thought out idea that would never be workable.
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