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So I wonder what happens if/when he manages to go back in time and do something that prevents his own arrest. Does he get to have any idea what's going on when he jumps forward or would he just be stuck trying to piece things together?
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AnoHito posted:So I wonder what happens if/when he manages to go back in time and do something that prevents his own arrest. Does he get to have any idea what's going on when he jumps forward or would he just be stuck trying to piece things together? Given that when he leapt back the first time he was still running away from the police, and then had somehow gotten away when he got back, I'd go with the latter. I mean, he could perhaps have somehow remembered what happened in the intervening time, but he doesn't mention it and seems pretty confused initially, so he probably doesn't remember and just figures he got away somehow.
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Feb 18, 2016 12:15
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The last episode ended with the time travel butterfly appearing, so I'm guessing he's going back in the new episode. Hope he can save Hinazuki if he goes that far back again.
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Feb 18, 2016 16:35
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I think that's the same Time Travel Butterfly from Life is Strange
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Feb 18, 2016 16:42
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I'm not quite as on edge about the end of this episode because we've already had a few fake outs. It's probably nothing!!  Scope out those red eyes on Satoru as he's going to push Kayo's mom down the stairs, though.
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Feb 18, 2016 22:17
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Moldy Taxes posted:I'm not quite as on edge about the end of this episode because we've already had a few fake outs. It's probably nothing!! Bets on the adult entering the bus being Satoru's mum? We did see her pretending to be asleep when he went out to check on Kayo. I'm predicting a huge fake-out where Kayo vanishes and it's because Sachiko managed to get her safely into the welcoming arms of Child Protection.
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Feb 18, 2016 23:03
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Darth Walrus posted:Bets on the adult entering the bus being Satoru's mum? We did see her pretending to be asleep when he went out to check on Kayo. I'm predicting a huge fake-out where Kayo vanishes and it's because Sachiko managed to get her safely into the welcoming arms of Child Protection. That's exactly what I'm thinking.
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Feb 18, 2016 23:46
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Moldy Taxes posted:That's exactly what I'm thinking. In which case the last 5 episodes would be "Oh poo poo, Hiromi dies too, doesn't he"? Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Feb 19, 2016 00:56
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Kytrarewn posted:In which case the last 5 episodes would be "Oh poo poo, Hiromi dies too, doesn't he"? I guess Satoru finally realised that since Hiromi was also there. What about the other kid that we don't see, doesn't Satoru care about them 
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Feb 19, 2016 01:25
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Paperhouse posted:I guess Satoru finally realised that since Hiromi was also there. What about the other kid that we don't see, doesn't Satoru care about them Remember how careful the killer is, and how willing he is to back off when the situation isn't wholly under his control (apart from anything else, it just took one glance from Sachiko to stop that episode one kidnapping). Satoru's play here seems to be going as loud and messy as possible, and getting the authorities involved as much as he can, so that the town is too much of a hornet's nest for a serial killer to operate in.
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Feb 19, 2016 01:29
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Darth Walrus posted:Remember how careful the killer is, and how willing he is to back off when the situation isn't wholly under his control (apart from anything else, it just took one glance from Sachiko to stop that episode one kidnapping). Satoru's play here seems to be going as loud and messy as possible, and getting the authorities involved as much as he can, so that the town is too much of a hornet's nest for a serial killer to operate in. Which is a good short term plan in regards to keeping everyone breathing (except Kayo's mom from whom Satoru will no longer take any poo poo), but really not a great long term plan vis a vis hunting down the killer. Because, as noted, the killer will just fade into the shadows and kill some other soft target in the days, weeks, or months to come.
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Feb 19, 2016 02:33
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Keeping Kayo (and Hiromi) in an abandoned bus alone doesn't seem like the best of plans. I also think it's Satoru's mom but I wouldn't be surprised if the killer followed them to the bus and this ends up as a another bad end timeline. Darth Walrus posted:Remember how careful the killer is, and how willing he is to back off when the situation isn't wholly under his control (apart from anything else, it just took one glance from Sachiko to stop that episode one kidnapping). Satoru's play here seems to be going as loud and messy as possible, and getting the authorities involved as much as he can, so that the town is too much of a hornet's nest for a serial killer to operate in. It's honestly a pretty good plan considering he only has 2 days to stop Kayo's murder. Zettace fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Feb 19, 2016 04:11
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that match cut from the teacher's eyes to the light posts was cool
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Feb 19, 2016 04:49
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All the crazy eye stuff keeps me guessing at who's a suspect and who's just going to accidentally get involved somehow. Hell, there are times where the show has me thinking Satoru might be up to no good with the weird eye poo poo.
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Feb 19, 2016 04:53
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I think someone mentioned that since the manga is black and white the red eyes are not a thing in the manga. That means it's something the director added so I personally don't really put too much weight on the red eyes.
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Feb 19, 2016 05:55
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Zettace posted:I think someone mentioned that since the manga is black and white the red eyes are not a thing in the manga. That means it's something the director added so I personally don't really put too much weight on the red eyes. 'Red Herrings"  I think it's more an element of paranoia.
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Feb 19, 2016 07:12
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the red eyes are cool. the filmlike aesthetic is cool. the little directing touches in this adaptation are all really cool.
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Feb 19, 2016 08:53
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My assumption is that the red eyes are atmospheric and not meant to be clues, red herrings or otherwise. Actually, I find it kind of weird that other viewers are giving them so much weight, like they'll somehow reveal who the killer is. Even if they did, that'd be a pretty terrible mystery.
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Feb 19, 2016 11:09
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The eye motif is carried further into the OP with the various characters having them crossed out with black lines. The red color is not literal so much as they are visual metaphor for killer intent.
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Feb 19, 2016 11:11
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You'd think that Satoru would be more hung up about his girly-looking friend getting murdered than a girl he hardly ever spoke to. The kid's barely an emotional presence.
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Feb 19, 2016 12:29
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Phobophilia posted:You'd think that Satoru would be more hung up about his girly-looking friend getting murdered than a girl he hardly ever spoke to. The kid's barely an emotional presence. Perhaps the focus being almost entirely on Hinazuki is a bit silly, but I thought the reason for him being more concerned about her, at least at first, was because hers was the death he thought he could've prevented as a kid. I seem to remember he wanted to talk to her or something the night she went missing but was too nervous to, and thought she probably wouldn't have been taken if he'd bothered. That probably would've eaten at him for years afterwards.
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Feb 19, 2016 14:08
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Oh heySakurazuka posted:gently caress the cliffhangers in this show.
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Feb 19, 2016 14:15
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smenj posted:Perhaps the focus being almost entirely on Hinazuki is a bit silly, but I thought the reason for him being more concerned about her, at least at first, was because hers was the death he thought he could've prevented as a kid. I seem to remember he wanted to talk to her or something the night she went missing but was too nervous to, and thought she probably wouldn't have been taken if he'd bothered. That probably would've eaten at him for years afterwards. Well, Yuuki-kun got fingered because of his friendship with Hinazuki and the first revival took place while he was sitting on death row and soon to be executed. That's why he became newly interested in the case again as an adult. Kayo/Hiromi don't necessarily have to be saved, despite Satoru's strong preferences, in order for the victory flag for Revival to be met, depending on what it is. I also sort of like the idea that saving Kayo kills/prevents-from-existing Airi, although there's almost no evidence for their being related in any way.
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Clarste posted:My assumption is that the red eyes are atmospheric and not meant to be clues, red herrings or otherwise. Actually, I find it kind of weird that other viewers are giving them so much weight, like they'll somehow reveal who the killer is. Even if they did, that'd be a pretty terrible mystery. Personally, if they are just a directorial trick for the audience I think that's clumsy and dumb. There are lots of ways you can imply to an audience that a character is up to no good without a really obvious change to their physical appearance: blocking, angle, musical cues, etc. I'm still not convinced they don't have some kind of narrative purpose. It would be easy enough to talk it over with the manga author to have it show something that was either implied or shown in another way in the black-and-white manga, and it's not like we can just discount some kind of supernatural event going on in a show about a time-travelling wannabe-superhero. Maybe the killer has some kind of influence ability, since people have been shown acting a little strangely when they have the red eyes: the news station guy saying, "After all, you might have killed your mother" to Satoru on the phone while he had the red eyes doesn't quite match up with his behavior in person, where he says, "Of course you didn't kill your mother!", or Satoru's behavior this last episode where he was going to push Kayo's mother down the stairs which seems a bit out-of-character for him even given his declaration that he's done being subtle. At this point I'm pretty resigned that the red eyes will just be a stupid atmospheric thing but I don't think it's ridiculous to think otherwise.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:00
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wait wait wait who else has had the whole red eyes thing thus far because i am wanting to say the killer might have the same revival thing going on, and that in particular is a sign of 'this person is doing something /super/ drastic in their own revival'. satoru gets it when he's about to murder someone as well - killer is shown with it when he not only kicks off the event that jumps satoru back all the way to stop him in the first place, but when he's about to put satoru away for good and thus shut down his biggest adversary
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Kytrarewn posted:I also sort of like the idea that saving Kayo kills/prevents-from-existing Airi, although there's almost no evidence for their being related in any way. Well, Airi seems to have a lot on common with Kayo in terms of mannerisms, and she'd have been born around the time Kayo dies. Could be some reincarnation thing going on. Gyra_Solune posted:wait wait wait Kenya, Kayo's mother, Yuuki, Satoru's boss, the journalist guy, Satoru himself, and (consistently) Nishizono.If they all have revival powers, it's a bit crowded! That said, I'm sure these murders - at least the ones in 2006 - are to do with Satoru's powers. Particularly Airi's attempted murder. What would that achieve? She's in no real position to exonerate Satoru, and using it to frame him both didn't work and wasn't necessary. It feels to me to be no coincidence that everything is centred around the guy who can time travel. Maybe someone has figured out what Satoru can do and wants to force him to change something in the past? Tenebrais fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Feb 19, 2016 19:09
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One thing that I find strange is that Satoru clearly still believes in Yuuki, but the show itself in painting Yuuki as a suspicious gigantic creep.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:10
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Gyra_Solune posted:wait wait wait So far the teacher, I think Kenya too though that might have been lighting, Kayo's mom, the news station guy, Satoru, and of course the killer. I think that's all though I might have missed a character or two.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:12
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Shakugan posted:One thing that I find strange is that Satoru clearly still believes in Yuuki, but the show itself in painting Yuuki as a suspicious gigantic creep. Remember news guy said that he thought that Yuuki was protecting his father, who he hero-worshipped. I took Yuuki's behavior to be initial fear that his father's secret was coming out, followed by relief that they can get the matter involving his father and kayo to stop without involving jail time. Other than that, he's a teenage boy and has porn. Clearly, a nascent serial killer.
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Fenrisulfr posted:So far the teacher, I think Kenya too though that might have been lighting, Kayo's mom, the news station guy, Satoru, and of course the killer. I think that's all though I might have missed a character or two. oh okay i am going to doubt that many people are time travelers
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Feb 19, 2016 19:33
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Also, things like his stammer, his overuse of certain phrases, and the way he seems far more comfortable with kids than people his own age suggest he's not all there in the head. You know, the usual 'harmless mentally-ill guy gets used as a scapegoat for hideous crime' thriller subplot.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:34
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Kytrarewn posted:I took Yuuki's behavior to be initial fear that his father's secret was coming out, followed by relief that they can get the matter involving his father and kayo to stop without involving jail time. Wait what? Did I miss something?
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Feb 19, 2016 21:45
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Yawgmoft posted:Wait what? Did I miss something? In the conversation between Satoru and the reporter in episode 5, they went through a discussion of the circumstances surrounding Kayo's death and Yuuki's imprisonment. At that time, it was noted that Yuuki kept saying that he wasn't the perp, BUT refused to give additional information on what was going on, and that they suspected that that was because he was protecting his father. If there were something borderline untoward going on between the father (who we still haven't met) and Kayo, and that's why Yuuki knew her, his reactions following "Hey, do you know Kayo?" would make a lot more sense than in other narratives I've considered.
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Kytrarewn posted:Other than that, he's a teenage boy and has porn. Clearly, a nascent serial killer. I thought he was college aged? Could've sworn the way the cops were sticking him was "young 20-something hanging out with kids a lot and isn't that kinda hosed up?"
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Zettace posted:I think someone mentioned that since the manga is black and white the red eyes are not a thing in the manga. That means it's something the director added so I personally don't really put too much weight on the red eyes. not to harp on this, but the more episodes i watch, the more convinced i become that they merely represent bad intentions of some kind or another (whether that be thinking about pushing someone down a flight of stairs or physically abusing a child). assuming this is the case, it's such a broad category that, like you said, it's not really worth putting any weight into
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Shakugan posted:One thing that I find strange is that Satoru clearly still believes in Yuuki, but the show itself in painting Yuuki as a suspicious gigantic creep. Phobophilia posted:You'd think that Satoru would be more hung up about his girly-looking friend getting murdered than a girl he hardly ever spoke to. The kid's barely an emotional presence.
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Feb 21, 2016 02:37
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Feb 21, 2016 06:55
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I love that the buckets are the only things animated. Minimalism at its finest.
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Moldy Taxes posted:I thought he was college aged? Could've sworn the way the cops were sticking him was "young 20-something hanging out with kids a lot and isn't that kinda hosed up?" Yeah, he's not teenaged. The fact that he doesn't act like an adult is what makes him so suspicious, from the police perspective.
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Zettace posted:I don't suspect Yuuki because he's in jail in the present day and thus you can't really tie him to the killer in the present. The two killers could be unrelated but then you have to ask the question why the murder of his mother triggered a revival to the time of the child murders. Also, Satoru's mom was killed because she recognized the child murderer and well, Yuuki is in jail so it can't be him. I don't suspect Yuuki either. Just saying that although Satoru doesn't realise it, Yuuki is clearly a super creepy guy.
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