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Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

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# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:25

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# ? Jun 13, 2024 01:26

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Colostomy Bag posted:

Listen guys, don't use your SA name on reddit if you want to be a true sleeper agent. We are dealing with Sherlock Holmes types over there.

What a fiasco. This abortion on toast is a gift that keeps on giving.

LEARN FROM MY MISTAAAAAAKE

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:30

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

G0RF posted:

I started on a long effort post a couple of weeks ago about the breakup but didn't finish it, but since its here, I'm just going to post some of it anyway and see a few months from now whether it proves true. It's a mix of summarization of shared thread wisdom (for newer folks and lurkers) and personal speculation (just because that's fun.)

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SUMMARIES AND SPECULATIONS

The upcoming breakup of Squadron 42 and Star Citizen is unlikely to result in accretive revenue benefits for CIG. Most new backers will opt for Star Citizen as SQ42 is still largely unknown and is, it must be said, a genre oddball in this day and age. Single player space dogfight games with celebrity casts, even if the flight mechanics are tight and cinematic sense brilliant, just seem like a relic formula not well-suited to our times. (And there's little reason to assume either will be noteworthy.)

Trapped with a cast of quinquagenarian (and older) sci-fi stars straining to breathe life into a ponderously written Hotshot Young Pilot with Daddy Issues trope-a-thon script, Squadron 42 is probably going to look like a middle-aged combover dude trying his damndest to look cool, sexy and relevant at a high school dance. Adding in rudimentary FPS may help break up the monotony a bit but there's ample reason to suspect that the FPS component (reportedly at least a third of the gameplay) is going to look like a shuffling corpse compared to this year's upcoming shooters- including Battlefield 5 {yeah!}, the Doom reboot and even Andromeda's.

VR-based cockpit shooters and space sims (Elite, No Man's Sky, Eve:Valkyrie) will each provide truly immersive experiences while setting high-bars that Squadron 42 will struggle to best, yet each will lack for much depth in storyline. Unfortunately for Chris, Mass Effect: Andromeda, while presumed not to have cockpit fighting, will destroy Squadron 42 in its lore, its voice acting, its FPS combat, hand-crafted environments, and in 2D immersion via player agency in via dynamic, creatively satisfying storylines.

SO... Who is going to want to actually buy Squadron 42?

It would be really surprising if CIG hasnt already sewn-up every nerd alive who grew up loving (and still loves) Wing Commander games by now. They need young buyers now, those who have no memory of the game-- yet the cast itself features a lot of older people (Oldman, Hamill, Anderson, John Rhys, etc.) It's just hard for me to see what hooks they have for the under 35 gamers who haven't already bought it.

Speculating further, I will guess the lackluster sales conversion for SQ42 post-split is quickly made into an internal crisis that demands immediate attention.

This doesn't mean a financial crisis. If they flog ship sales for SC non-stop and keep shortchanging older backers in order to attract newer spacepixel porn nerds they can probably manage a small monthly burn on overhead, even if it means disenfranchising the megawhales in the process. (They allegedly have more cash on hand than the oft-rumored pittance.)

The crisis CIG will be concerned about, really concerned about, is a Chris Roberts Prestige crisis.

The split will be CIG's first clear measure of market interest in SQ42. If there is little to none, and Star Citizen continues to get the lionshare of new revenue, Chris will start to panic. He will then crank even more ultra-fidelity uncanny valley 'in engine' videos out from his celebrity-packed Dreambaby / Triumphant Return / Wing Commander: Infinite experiment and the gaming media will dutifully parrot these teaser releases as gospel, giving SQ a baseline bump. But even Quad Titans in SLI can not overcome turgid line deliveries of space pulp pretending it's space opera.

The Oldman problem...

Gary Oldman's line deliveries in the Bishop speech were bad enough that even hard core backers were wincing. Though only a brief excerpt, it is easier to believe than not that his interpretation of the character -- overwrought, gravelly, leaden -- has saddled Chris with an especially difficult problem, one that can not be solved with a million motion capture sessions. Oldman's line readings are somnambulant, his accent jarring, his hesitance with the bizarre pseudo-lore obvious. Barring new looping sessions, which would amount to reshoots of many or all of his lines and would be incredibly awkward to seek from an actor his his calibre, Roberts paid a high price for a turd performance. New mo-cap sessions are just polishing it...

The 'Old Man' solution...

I expect Mark Hamill (with cross generational appeal and the best bonafides in sci-fi AND ties to WC) becomes the centerpiece of most future pixelporn with Gillian Andersen a close second. Mark Hamill is the single greatest tool in Squadron 42's arsenal. His voice work is legendary, and he understands - more than any other cast member involved in this project - the critical importance of nailing line delivery.

Expect most of the upcoming Squadron 42 hype-reels to feature much more "Old Man" and much less Oldman, and expect, in discreet clips, for Hamill to really knock things out of the park. (And of course we will also see AMAZING combat scenes, ship interiors, SCARY Vanduul scenes, and other stuff that puts the PTU to embarrassing shame... Chris at least knows how to deliver great pixel porn, and we should expect a metric crap ton of Squadron 42 barreling our way soon.. Because HE WILL NOT LET HIS DREAMBABY FAIL!)

But will it work?

(This is long enough but I will paste in part two of this self-indulgent speculation piece soon.)

Nice write-up. I'm looking forward to part two.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:34

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

TTerrible posted:

Is this rolling with the punches? or?

Me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nJLch3L0DI

Nooo

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:34

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mirificus posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/46gf49/excessive_troll_accounts_posting_here/d053hx6

https://www.reddit.com/user/zecumbe

That person is broken in so many ways.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:35

AugmentedVision: Feb 17, 2011; by exmarx

Unfunny Poster posted:

https://www.reddit.com/user/zecumbe

That person is broken in so many ways.

I hear he's gay too

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:36

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Also does anyone have the INN video where they got mad at goons posting in their Twitch chat and started sperging out? I wanted to see it but don't know if it ever got posted.

AugmentedVision posted:

I hear he's gay too

Don't know if you got the memo but Gay is OK in The Stimpire.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:37

Norefund14days: Feb 2, 2016; NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU PARP IN SPACE.

peter gabriel posted:

Me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nJLch3L0DI

Nooo

Love it! MOAR!!

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:38

alf_pogs: Feb 15, 2012

peter gabriel posted:

Me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nJLch3L0DI

Nooo

is that a fugazi song you used at the end?? cuz it's a ripper

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:38

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

alf_pogs posted:

is that a fugazi song you used at the end?? cuz it's a ripper

Yes! Great Cop

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:41

alf_pogs: Feb 15, 2012

peter gabriel posted:

Yes! Great Cop

more like... Great Song and Great Band

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:43

ZenMaster: Jan 24, 2006; I Saved PC Gaming

LowellDND posted:

This is from a few pages back, but where is the skull/cloak guy from?

I made him from different painful experiences I had in my life. Every pixel represents a failure, sickness, or disappointment. Then I tripled it.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:43

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

alf_pogs posted:

more like... Great Song and Great Band

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:44

Berious: Nov 13, 2005

peter gabriel posted:

Me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nJLch3L0DI

Nooo

i have bow tie dude too, another great video

also lmaoless than 100 views.... they could reach more people sperging about spaceships in the eve goons lobby

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:45

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Is it mean spirited though? I don't want that really.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:45

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

peter gabriel posted:

Is it mean spirited though? I don't want that really.

The truth hurts sometimes.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:48

Brazilianpeanutwar: Aug 27, 2015; Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

peter gabriel posted:

Is it mean spirited though? I don't want that really.

It's not that bad, we've all said much worse on here, and they are unlikeable.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:49

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

I've linked to their channel so hopefully that helps

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:51

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

peter gabriel posted:

Me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nJLch3L0DI

Nooo

Nooo Dolvak with his "we're all shitposters bro nice one bro" bullshit PM.

That video doesn't come across as mean spirited, just trying to drive traffic to INN because they're clearly not getting the views they deserve for their quality output :v:

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:51

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

*runs in out of breath* hey guys I'm here for page 2000..... oh

so is the Comcast video advertising for Comcast , or CIG ? seems a little strange to use a company that hasn't actually made a product of any sort as your marketing platform.

Also how quickly do you think that marketing campaign will get pulled and buried once the first news report of Crobbers slowly driving his white Porsche SUV down the highway gets released ?

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:51

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

how are you guys getting trolled by zecumbe lmao

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:52

AugmentedVision: Feb 17, 2011; by exmarx

Google Butt posted:

how are you guys getting trolled by zecumbe lmao

Plenty of people ITT that are just as autistic as the Citizens. Broken clock being right.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:54

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

TTerrible posted:

Nooo Dolvak with his "we're all shitposters bro nice one bro" bullshit PM.

Ahh gotcha, I dunno but it was nice of him to drop me a PM I suppose :v:

I thanked him and told him my mind cannot comprehend why he'd even want to run that sub reddit and he thanked me again and that was that.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:54

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Google Butt posted:

how are you guys getting trolled by zecumbe lmao

Remember that a lot of people in this thread are ex-commandos ourselves. :downs:

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:55

Berious: Nov 13, 2005

i had a think about this. that much effort producing hours of content for that few views can only mean they're angling for jobs at cloud stimperium games. unless they're mentally retarded i reckon they know by now it's a scam and want in.

because he wears a bow tie the bow tie dude might be that dumb but the neckbeard mod looks like he wants to be the next homeless santa for sure

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:57

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

SirPhoebos posted:

I don't know what's funnier, a goon unironically claiming to be an Internet Puppet-Master, or that someone is actually falling for it.

To be fair you don't exactly have to be Fu Manchu to work these people.

There are people on reddit that fully support my "final solution to the goon problem" posts. There are others that are smart enough to realize that putting such power in the hands of Dolvak can only end in tears, those I always accuse of being goons themselves, most people don't waste too much time checking post histories. It then devolves into a shitfest between both pro and anti crackdown and as you can see some non-goons are already getting "warnings", I doubt that will make them very happy. But I write this poo poo here for neither of those groups, I write to Dolvak and the other hardcores that follow this thread religiously. I want them to see what I'm doing because they have cooked themselves such a wonderful community that in the midst of all the finger pointing and paranoia another guy getting accused of being a goon is going to get completely ignored. They can't tell others to check my post history because all there is there is positive karma and speaking out in favor of more power to the mods.

:siren:

Dolvak, :siren:

once again you dug yourself into a hole you can't get out off without looking like a retard. When you start wielding that power you either use it and inevitably start hitting innocents or you try to refrain and we keep pushing the envelope until you are seen as completely useless because you don't use the power you have. You are out of your depth and you just swam further from the shore than you can ever hope to swim back to. loving idiot. Your story is like a Greek tragedy, your hubris makes you think you can use your power responsibly but everyone can see you are going to gently caress up. And no amount of knowing ahead of time what is going to unfold will help you avoid your fate one bit.

Fucker.

MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Feb 19, 2016

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:58

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

PSA: Voyager Direct unmelt got "canceled"

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:59

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Berious posted:

i had a think about this. that much effort producing hours of content for that few views can only mean they're angling for jobs at cloud stimperium games. unless they're mentally retarded i reckon they know by now it's a scam and want in.

because he wears a bow tie the bow tie dude might be that dumb but the neckbeard mod looks like he wants to be the next homeless santa for sure

I have been thinking about it as well.

They have 600+ subscribers and are getting 94 hits in 2 months, now, either they are setting their videos to be unlisted or that means a good 500 people get en email telling them a new INN vid is up and they just flat refuse to go check it out :lol:

That then would mean that no organic views happen, like they didn't even mention the 3 hour video they just did on Facebook or anything at all.

I don't get it

# ? Feb 19, 2016 01:59

AugmentedVision: Feb 17, 2011; by exmarx

MeLKoR posted:

To be fair you don't exactly have to be Fu Manchu to work these people.

There are people on reddit that fully support my "final solution to the goon problem" posts. There are others that are smart enough to realize that putting such power in the hands of Dolvak can only end in tears, those I always accuse of being goons themselves, most people don't waste too much time checking post histories. It then devolves into a shitfest between both pro and anti crackdown and as you can see some non-goons are already getting "warnings", I doubt that will make them very happy. But I write this poo poo here for neither of those groups, I write to Dolvak and the other hardcores that follow this thread religiously. I want them to see what I'm doing because they have cooked themselves such a wonderful community that in the midst of all the finger pointing and paranoia another guy getting accused of being a goon is going to get completely ignored. They can't tell others to check my post history because all there is there is positive karma and speaking out in favor of more power to the mods.

Dolvak, once again you dug yourself into a hole you can't get out off without looking like a retard. When you start wielding that power you either use it and inevitably start hitting innocents or you try to refrain and we keep pushing the envelope until you are seen as completely useless because you don't use the power you have. You are out of your depth and you just swam further from the shore than you can ever hope to swim back to. loving idiot. Your story is like a Greek tragedy, your hubris makes you think you can use your power responsibly but everyone can see you are going to gently caress up. And no amount of knowing ahead of time what is going to unfold will help you avoid your fate one bit.

Fucker.

same

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:00

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

why do you care that much about him, it makes you look like a citizen. instead of making weird serious posts at him you should silently puppet master or whatever lol

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:01

AugmentedVision: Feb 17, 2011; by exmarx

Google Butt posted:

why do you care that much about him, it makes you look like a citizen. instead of making weird serious posts at him you should silently puppet master or whatever lol

It's really funny though, let's be honest nobody who posts on SA or especially this thread is actually a sane person

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:02

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

to be fair I didn't read your post

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:03

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

MeLKoR posted:

To be fair you don't exactly have to be Fu Manchu to work these people.

There are people on reddit that fully support my "final solution to the goon problem" posts. There are others that are smart enough to realize that putting such power in the hands of Dolvak can only end in tears, those I always accuse of being goons themselves, most people don't waste too much time checking post histories. It then devolves into a shitfest between both pro and anti crackdown and as you can see some non-goons are already getting "warnings", I doubt that will make them very happy. But I write this poo poo here for neither of those groups, I write to Dolvak and the other hardcores that follow this thread religiously. I want them to see what I'm doing because they have cooked themselves such a wonderful community that in the midst of all the finger pointing and paranoia another guy getting accused of being a goon is going to get completely ignored. They can't tell others to check my post history because all there is there is positive karma and speaking out in favor of more power to the mods.

Dolvak, once again you dug yourself into a hole you can't get out off without looking like a retard. When you start wielding that power you either use it and inevitably start hitting innocents or you try to refrain and we keep pushing the envelope until you are seen as completely useless because you don't use the power you have. You are out of your depth and you just swam further from the shore than you can ever hope to swim back to. loving idiot. Your story is like a Greek tragedy, your hubris makes you think you can use your power responsibly but everyone can see you are going to gently caress up. And no amount of knowing ahead of time what is going to unfold will help you avoid your fate one bit.

Fucker.

I just like stirring the pot, but this is p. good too.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:03

Google Butt: Oct 4, 2005; Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

AugmentedVision posted:

It's really funny though, let's be honest nobody who posts on SA or especially this thread is actually a sane person

yea

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:03

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

MeLKoR posted:

To be fair you don't exactly have to be Fu Manchu to work these people.

There are people on reddit that fully support my "final solution to the goon problem" posts. There are others that are smart enough to realize that putting such power in the hands of Dolvak can only end in tears, those I always accuse of being goons themselves, most people don't waste too much time checking post histories. It then devolves into a shitfest between both pro and anti crackdown and as you can see some non-goons are already getting "warnings", I doubt that will make them very happy. But I write this poo poo here for neither of those groups, I write to Dolvak and the other hardcores that follow this thread religiously. I want them to see what I'm doing because they have cooked themselves such a wonderful community that in the midst of all the finger pointing and paranoia another guy getting accused of being a goon is going to get completely ignored. They can't tell others to check my post history because all there is there is positive karma and speaking out in favor of more power to the mods.

Dolvak, once again you dug yourself into a hole you can't get out off without looking like a retard. When you start wielding that power you either use it and inevitably start hitting innocents or you try to refrain and we keep pushing the envelope until you are seen as completely useless because you don't use the power you have. You are out of your depth and you just swam further from the shore than you can ever hope to swim back to. loving idiot. Your story is like a Greek tragedy, your hubris makes you think you can use your power responsibly but everyone can see you are going to gently caress up. And no amount of knowing ahead of time what is going to unfold will help you avoid your fate one bit.

Eat poo poo you fucker.

It's a lovely subreddit man, let it go. You've been swimming in the poop too long.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:04

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK: Sep 11, 2001

Mirificus posted:

An Update on the 68 Stretch Goals?

sorry any facts would ruin the delusion the backers have

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:04

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

To put this into context, that video I just put up now has more hits than their 2 month old video and they have 3 times my subscriber numbers :psyduck:

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:04

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

peter gabriel posted:

To put this into context, that video I just put up now has more hits than their 2 month old video and they have 3 times my subscriber numbers

Not really a fair comparison, you actually produce quality entertaining content.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:07

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Not really a fair comparison, you actually produce quality entertaining content.

Also I am clickbait scum probably ha ha

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:09

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xiansi: Jan 26, 2012; im judjing all goons cause they have bad leader, so a noral member is associated whith thoose crasy one

Personaly i would quit the goons if i was in cause of thoose crasy ppl; Clapping Larry

darkarchon posted:

No there is, it cost like $185 or something like that and is available from time to time. It includes all of the DLC that they will ever release.

There was. Don't think you can get it any more.

I paid like �100 for the beta ages ago (which I justified by having pirated all the original Elite games on various platforms in my youth), and that included a lifetime pass.

And to think, I could have had half of a dream of a mid-range ship instead...

# ? Feb 19, 2016 02:10

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