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TyrantWD posted:3 months of peace after being back stabbed and left to die, and after Treekru engaged in biological warfare against a group of kids. Let's not forget that during these 3 months of peace, the grounders killed 2/3rds of the Farm Station and put out a bounty on the person who destroyed their biggest enemy. Yea, but if you take that to the logical conclusion then the next episode should open with Arkadia being a flaming ruin with Pike's body crucified out front. They should do that.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Seriously. The massacre seems like it should have been the climax to a mid-season finale, not the 3rd and 4th episodes. Gotta agree with this. seems like they wrote themselves into a corner. The only option forwards is assassinating Pike as far as I can see. Shame that they made him comically villainous. Buddy's got a point about Trikru.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I'm curious as to how that grounder patrol knew about the symbol(infinity?) on the city of light chip and what it means to them. Trailer spoilers There's suppose to be a couple of infinity symbols in the background from Lexa's tattoo to on the wall of Titus' cave here. I think the twelve tribes were ALIE's attempt to restart humanity/build a viable stock in preparation for the City of Light.
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TyrantWD posted:3 months of peace after being back stabbed and left to die, and after Treekru engaged in biological warfare against a group of kids. Let's not forget that during these 3 months of peace, the grounders killed 2/3rds of the Farm Station and put out a bounty on the person who destroyed their biggest enemy. Basically I don't see this ending without Pike's head on a (pun not intended) pike at the end of this. Well, I guess it really sounds like it's going to devolve into Lexa trying what Clarke suggests, the coalition revolts because of this, and now that Lexa maybe only has Treekru left Pike comes back in and massacres them all because he doesn't want to make peace with grounders anyway. Again, unless someone straight up assassinates Pike (Abby or Kane basically). Maybe throw in a few hilarious wrenches in the mix as Jaha loving  people into the City of Light.Kegslayer posted:Trailer spoilers
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Lexa is kinda stupid. You just narrowly avoided an open revolt after that vote of no confidence because you didn't attack Mt Weather and were shown to be soft. She's in love.
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That was loving awesome. This show owns. As I should have learned by now, every time I'm afraid the show is starting to get stupid, they pull the rug out from under me and say "no, you loving idiot, we know what we're doing!". Basically every complaint I expressed about the behavior of the main characters over the last few episodes was directly addressed in this episode. It's also official that ~300 is a unit of death in this show. First Jaha ordered a culling of 320 Arkers to prolong life support. Then Clarke (and Raven) fired the dropship engines and killed ~300 Treekru warriors. Then a missile hit Tondc, which had ~300 people in it, 250 of which were killed. Slot the ~48 people who died in the Mt Weather self destruct here to make an even unit. Then Pike and his followers murder ~300 grounders. And they straight up murdered them too. Even though I referred to it as murder in my earlier post, it didn't expect it to be literal murder. Which to me makes it clear why Pikes actions both make sense to him and his followers, and come as a shock to other characters. These people are from a culture where when you determine that killing 300 people is the best solution to your current problem that's what you do. In fact, it's the exact same poo poo that going on in those really lame Ark scenes in season 1. Abby was trying to stop Kane from killing 300 people because it was a "good move" strategically. And they're all still playing that game. And now all the major players, Kane, Jaha, Bellamy, Clarke, Lexa, A.L.I.E., Indra, Pike, have killed a bunch of people because of what they thought was right. Also I'm a bit slow, and all the crazy drama in this show made recognize that Pike represents a European colonists versus Native Americans type attitude. While it's hard to place one's self in the mindset of someone raise on the Ark, and, it might seem unrealistic how much they are being shortsighted xenophobic assholes, there's so much historical precedent for this type of behavior. I am reminded specifically of the account given in the journals of George Percy, the Governor of Virginia from 1607-1612, where he writes: "...after we marched with the queen and her children to our boats again, where being no sooner well shipped my soldier did begin to murmur because the queen and her children were spared. So upon the same council being called it was agreed upon to put the children to death, which was effected by throwing them overboard and shooting their brains out in the water." I hope that Octavia eventually has to kill Bellamy. That would be so sad for her, but like, you can see it coming. edit: I forgot this whole deal CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Lexa is kinda stupid. You just narrowly avoided an open revolt after that vote of no confidence because you didn't attack Mt Weather and were shown to be soft. Clearly the best possible course of action is to do the same thing again. Ditching your allies in the Mt Weather attack was a dick move, but you are totally justified here Lexa. Kill them all. Ice Nation was right all along It's so good. Snak fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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In that case, poor Monty, when his mom is offered up to the grounders  At least Miller is on the right team.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Umm, I see a bit of a snag with this brilliant plan of yours Clarke. Pike doesn't want peace. He intentionally started this war to kill you all. This isn't some 'misunderstanding.' You know this. She knows he doesn't, but she also knows that Bellamy A) is close to him and B) can be reasoned with, so she figured if she could convince him he could talk some sense into Pike. Didn't work out obviously but yanno. Anyway, seems preeeetty clear after this episode that the rushed writing of the last ep was probably a result of having a limited amount of episodes to work with, and it righted the ship pretty well imo assuming it keeps progressing well from here on out
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Astroman posted:I don't get why he has to be all mystical about the City of Light though. Why can't he just say "there's an AI computer that survived the war and there's a VR world we can go to and live there."? It's not like the Arkers would be unfamiliar with high tech. It's how he interprets it. He found God when he was dying of hypoxia, and now everything is a sign from the AI-mighty. That said, it's not exactly clear to me that ALLIE's even capable of resurrecting people's consciousnesses -- seems like she's just copying them. Which would mean that the original host would still die.
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Jaha going to Arkadia to become a drug dealing techno preacher has gotten me to finally hitch my wagon to his wild ride. And was it my own or is Jaha's cyber eucharist also nanomachines? Maybe Raven was just tripping.
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Kane telling Bellamy "Wake up!" was confirmation that he is the best and most sensible character. I get what they're going for with Pike and it is interesting, the point Snak made about the way advanced empires treat indigenous peoples...But I still think they've mishandled Pike and his setup and the election SO MUCH that it's an all-round failure as a story. He definitely needed more build up, to show his way, his influence, his motivations. Even the constant references to "the election" in this ep as if it was an event instead of a mention by Kane in one line at the end of the previous episode... But in terms of great potential being missed, this is Finn all over again. Especially when Bellamy is Finn 2.0 right now, down to the massacre of innocent people. Snak posted:I'm thinking that the "compromise" will be to extract and execute Pike and his followers rather than massacring the whole Skaikru. Here the idea would be "it's foolish to slaughter your would-be allies out of misplaced revenge." I'm hoping the lesson Clarke is trying to teach Lexa is that "Seal Team Six is better than Hiroshima". As it stands now, the grounder way is "Blood must have blood", which means they kill every man, woman, and child in Arkadia. Clarke has shown she doesn't have a problem with killing people who need to go, she just doesn't want genocide. I mean, there's something especially galling after we've seen how hard Clarke and everyone have worked for peace and then when they get it, Pike loving ruins everything and with Bellamy's help no less, after all Clarke and he had been through. (I did for the most part like the scene where he yells at her over Mt Weather and she breaks down a little.) Clarke's whole "give peace a chance" thing rings real loving hollow when the obvious answer to that is "we did! and it didn't work!" I mean is Lexa supposed to let it go as Pike wipes out villages to secure his perimeter? But yeah, the Arkers did indeed vote for this and they deserve to be burned to the ground for their stupidity.
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VagueRant posted:
It's good to remember all the decent people on the Ark are dead, they volunteered to sacrifice themselves in season 1.
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esperterra posted:Jaha going to Arkadia to become a drug dealing techno preacher has gotten me to finally hitch my wagon to his wild ride. It's pretty much got to be tiny robots of some kind, groups of people don't have imaginary conversations with the exact same person when they trip out, especially not one they've never seen before. It's not unreasonable that an artificial intelligence smart enough to destroy civilization would also be capable of designing a colony of nanomachines that could read a person's brain and communicate with it, especially if it's secretly been experimenting on people (although we don't know if it's done that)
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VagueRant posted:I get what they're going for with Pike and it is interesting, the point Snak made about the way advanced empires treat indigenous peoples...But I still think they've mishandled Pike and his setup and the election SO MUCH that it's an all-round failure as a story. He definitely needed more build up, to show his way, his influence, his motivations. Even the constant references to "the election" in this ep as if it was an event instead of a mention by Kane in one line at the end of the previous episode... We already know Pike's motivation. The Farm Station arrived at the same time that Kane and Abby did. Since then, he basically lived through The 100 season 1 - being mercilessly killed by grounders (~120 of his people dead). After being caught up on the situation once he got to Arkadia, he found out that they were being killed WHILE there was a truce in place. The entire relationship between grounders and the Ark has basically been grounders doing lovely things to the Ark folk, and the Ark people turning the other cheek and helping grounders. The first stupid decision Pike made, given the information available to him, is to think he can expand their territory by 15km with the limited resources they have.
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Yeah, but again, he got one little recappy speech about things that happened offscreen, and suddenly everyone in the camp is rallying behind him. Also since he wants a safe, self-sustaining camp, he probably should've worked on that BEFORE waging war on the people who were actually assisting with security. That was a pretty stupid decision, even if he didn't trust them. And remember that from the grounder's perspectives, the Arkers have been doing lovely things to them since the beginning too.
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Somebody brought up something I hadn't thought of before, which is that potential mass casualties might be factoring into Lexa's decision not to pursue all out war. She and Indra were having a conversation about possibly not being able to overcome the Sky People's guns just before Clarke came back. Hopefully they'll make that more explicit next episode. EDIT: Also, as a side note, what's with all the shirtless Murphy all of a sudden? I mean, I get that it's a CW show and Boys Will Be Naked, but this isn't like a Bellamy or Lincoln situation where there is a precedent for stripping. Murphy didn't take his clothes off once in the first two seasons and now he's getting naked in like every episode. He's not even that jacked.  I mean, he's not bad, but when you're on a show with loving Ricky Whittle and his ridiculous eight-pack abs and biceps the size of a child's entire head, it's hard to compete.
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TyrantWD posted:The first stupid decision Pike made, given the information available to him, is to think he can expand their territory by 15km with the limited resources they have. They can't even properly secure Arkadia with people slipping in and out unnoticed all the time. Also, great work on the cinematography this episode with all the clouds over the mountains behind Octavia at the massacre site and the general grey fog over Arkadia to match the dreary atmosphere there. Things looked so bright and beautiful when Abby first got out after landing in season 1.
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Spergatory posted:EDIT: Also, as a side note, what's with all the shirtless Murphy all of a sudden? I mean, I get that it's a CW show and Boys Will Be Naked, but this isn't like a Bellamy or Lincoln situation where there is a precedent for stripping. Murphy didn't take his clothes off once in the first two seasons and now he's getting naked in like every episode. He's not even that jacked. I feel like comic books and video games have massively distorted people's perception of muscles and their scale.
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VagueRant posted:Yeah, but again, he got one little recappy speech about things that happened offscreen, and suddenly everyone in the camp is rallying behind him.
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Spergatory posted:Somebody brought up something I hadn't thought of before, which is that potential mass casualties might be factoring into Lexa's decision not to pursue all out war. She and Indra were having a conversation about possibly not being able to overcome the Sky People's guns just before Clarke came back. Hopefully they'll make that more explicit next episode.
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Open Source Idiom posted:It's how he interprets it. He found God when he was dying of hypoxia, and now everything is a sign from the AI-mighty. When did they say anything about resurrection? Seems to me like she's just gathering them into Computer Heaven to form some kind of tech singularity.
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Open Source Idiom posted:That said, it's not exactly clear to me that ALLIE's even capable of resurrecting people's consciousnesses -- seems like she's just copying them. Which would mean that the original host would still die. It's a discussion that's not really suited to this thread, but I find [url="http://existentialcomics.com/comic/1"this comic[/url] to be one of the best ways of conveying my opinion on the matter. It's a discussion that crops up in the Star Trek thread with some frequency. Somewhat related, I am a bit annoyed how much they are just doing the Gaius Baltar thing, with her standing there during conversations. I hope that it feels less like that now that more characters will presumably be able to see her. Making a true believer out of Raven was pretty cool. I figure that the technology to transport someone to the City of Light requires total sensory synthesis, so it makes perfect sense that it could simply block pain as well.
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Sober posted:In that case, poor Monty, when his mom is offered up to the grounders I'm shipping Miller/Lincoln Mincoln? Snak posted:Somewhat related, I am a bit annoyed how much they are just doing the Gaius Baltar thing, with her standing there during conversations. I hope that it feels less like that now that more characters will presumably be able to see her. Making a true believer out of Raven was pretty cool. I figure that the technology to transport someone to the City of Light requires total sensory synthesis, so it makes perfect sense that it could simply block pain as well. Did anyone else catch an odd resemblance between Allie and Raven? Not saying there's any kind of potential generational connection there, but there's some physical similarities and then an abrupt contrast between Allie's confidence/poise/strength vs Raven's current emotional and physical rock bottom that she's hit. hope and vaseline fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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hope and vaseline posted:Did anyone else catch an odd resemblance between Allie and Raven? Not saying there's any kind of potential generational connection there, but there's some physical similarities and then an abrupt contrast between Allie's confidence/poise/strength vs Raven's current emotional and physical rock bottom that she's hit. Yeah their juxtaposition at the end caught my eye as well.
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hope and vaseline posted:I'm shipping Miller/Lincoln Also I like how Octavia has pretty much buried the hatched re: the TonDC missile attack, meanwhile Bellamy is like "YOU TRIED TO KILL OCTAVIA" to Clarke even now. Meanwhile, Octavia doesn't agonize over any of that poo poo cause there's more important poo poo going down. Clarke and Octavia are awesome together, I just wanted to point that out. Not as potential scissor sisters or anything mind you, just two awesome kickass ladies doing what needs to get done.
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Sober posted:Clarke and Octavia are awesome together, I just wanted to point that out. Not as potential scissor sisters or anything mind you, just two awesome kickass ladies doing what needs to get done. I'm sure someone out there is shipping Cloctavia.
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Kwyndig posted:It's pretty much got to be tiny robots of some kind, groups of people don't have imaginary conversations with the exact same person when they trip out, especially not one they've never seen before. It's not unreasonable that an artificial intelligence smart enough to destroy civilization would also be capable of designing a colony of nanomachines that could read a person's brain and communicate with it, especially if it's secretly been experimenting on people (although we don't know if it's done that) I meant because it looked like she was beginning to walk normally (as normally as she could the brace still on) before Uta Refson appeared.
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WarLocke posted:I'm sure someone out there is shipping Cloctavia. We should all ship Lexarketavia imo.
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I've been on the fence about whether Alycia Debnam-Carey, who plays Lexa, is a bad actress, or is playing Lexa in a strange and deliberate way. After this last episode, I have to say that she's not pulling it off. To the point where it's hurting the show a little bit. I get that's Lexa's deal is that she hides and contains her emotions to make herself a better leader, but it's not visual interesting how little emotional engagement she displays with things. The difference between romantic Lexa and furious Lexa is basically the volume of her voice. When you've got Indra, Clarke, and Lexa in a room, the contrast is just too much. Adina Porter and Eliza Taylor are both able to bring a level of intensity to their facial expressions and eyes that Lexa is just missing. While she's probably playing Lexa as detached on purpose, I think she could be doing it in a way that conveys that and is visually engaging.
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esperterra posted:Jaha going to Arkadia to become a drug dealing techno preacher has gotten me to finally hitch my wagon to his wild ride. AI lady seized control of the theifs brother in like no time at all so I think as much can be presumed.
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There'e no way they're going to let Pike live. Finn was barely enough when he killed 13? people and the Coalition army was going to wipe out Skaikru. Now they've killed 300. The only way out of this is for Skaikru to frame Pike as a traitor have him punished under grounder law. Bellamy might make it out of this alive if someone can win off Indra to pardon him for some political reason, but really I hope that Octavia has to kill him in battle. edit: It would be fitting if Wanheda carried out the execution of the Skaikru traitors. Clarke went and made everything difficult by leaving Skaikru and not being their leader anymore. Her only political value to the coalition now is as Wanheda, which, given Pike's "accomplishement" is probably a lot less impressive now. Snak fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Finn went rogue and was a solo actor - the only other Sky person present tried to get him to stop. Pike and his 10 good men acted on behalf of the people of Arkadia, and were only able to carry out the attack after being voted chancellor after communicating to the people what he planned to do. Had the group marched out of the gate when Lincoln tried to stop them, you could make the case for punishing the 10 attackers. Now however, you can't separate Pike's group from the rest of the camp. You punish everyone, or you pardon everyone.
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VagueRant posted:Clarke's whole "give peace a chance" thing rings real loving hollow when the obvious answer to that is "we did! and it didn't work!" I mean is Lexa supposed to let it go as Pike wipes out villages to secure his perimeter? But yeah, the Arkers did indeed vote for this and they deserve to be burned to the ground for their stupidity. TyrantWD posted:Finn went rogue and was a solo actor - the only other Sky person present tried to get him to stop. Pike and his 10 good men acted on behalf of the people of Arkadia, and were only able to carry out the attack after being voted chancellor after communicating to the people what he planned to do. These guys get it. 
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