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DrVenkman posted:Though Dave seemed cold, it sounded more like "Yeah she shouldn't have said that". I read it more as she shouldn't have shared her desire to have Travis Browne's babies or whatever.
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Feb 19, 2016 15:00
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LordPants posted:I read it more as she shouldn't have shared her desire to have Travis Browne's babies or whatever. Yes, in that she shouldn't have used suicide as a way to express how much she wanted to have his babies. Saying you were suicidal for a moment after a loss until you saw your boyfriend is kind of insensitive to people who suffer from depression and have regular thoughts of suicide. It's probably not worth talking about but it's those little wordings that the media picks up and runs with as a front page story "Rousey, Suicidal After Loss to Holm", so the whole issue becomes far bigger than it really is. I think from her persepective she was just trying to illustrate 'hey, I was at my lowest point but I still had someone who loved me that I love too!'
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Feb 19, 2016 15:20
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So if she gets knocked out again, is she a liability? I'm sure UFC insures their fighters to some degree. I'm sure whoever the underwriter is just loved hearing that. Couldn't they cancel her insurance and prevent her from fighting? I remember Lindsay Lohan couldn't work in Hollywood for a while because no one would insure her, stemming from her substance abuse.
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Feb 19, 2016 15:32
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Bas Rutten was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently and it was awesome. I am a big El Guapo fan. Discovered that he and Mauro Ranallo have started their own podcast together! Looking at the episode list, Jerry Lawler is on episode 4.
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Feb 19, 2016 15:41
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Feb 19, 2016 17:17
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PaybackJack posted:Yes, in that she shouldn't have used suicide as a way to express how much she wanted to have his babies. Saying you were suicidal for a moment after a loss until you saw your boyfriend is kind of insensitive to people who suffer from depression and have regular thoughts of suicide. It's probably not worth talking about but it's those little wordings that the media picks up and runs with as a front page story "Rousey, Suicidal After Loss to Holm", so the whole issue becomes far bigger than it really is. I think from her persepective she was just trying to illustrate 'hey, I was at my lowest point but I still had someone who loved me that I love too!' Hey hi finding reasons to live when she thought there were none is probably a good thing and she's allowed to cry on the Ellen Degeneres show about it if she wants
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Feb 19, 2016 17:25
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To me Meltzer's comment came off much different. It came off like he thinks no one actually gives a poo poo about her. Honestly, it saddens me but I really think that is the case. People were only into her because they wanted to watch a cocky woman be put "in her place". That's why that Ellen interview made me so sad. It felt like her talking about only finding solace in procreating with her wife-beating husband felt like their ultimate victory. Those are the only words I can think of: it felt like society putting a woman "in her place".
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Feb 19, 2016 17:28
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I'm sure Dana White wanted to kill himself when she got knocked out too, so it's nbd Big Dave is probably just mad because when he heard that he started up his 38,500 word obituary for her, got 1/3rd through, and ran out of space so he could have a write up on Lucha Underground losing lots of money fit into the same issue Electric Lady posted:To me Meltzer's comment came off much different. It came off like he thinks no one actually gives a poo poo about her. uhh I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people enjoyed her because she won in like 30 seconds and beat a ton of rear end, there are always people rooting against the top people like that, look at how many people hate Lebron (gently caress Lebron) but they also have the most fans because they're awesome and win
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Feb 19, 2016 17:29
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Dave probably doesn't think anyone should talk about Travis Browne in public. Big Dave right again!
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Feb 19, 2016 17:32
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I wish she hadn't said it because a bunch of people on my facebook wall used it as an excuse to spout some utter bs about how week she is.
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Feb 19, 2016 17:59
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Marquis de Pyro posted:uhh I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people enjoyed her because she won in like 30 seconds and beat a ton of rear end, there are always people rooting against the top people like that, look at how many people hate Lebron (gently caress Lebron) but they also have the most fans because they're awesome and win A large number of people really enjoyed her losing. I suspect most of them don't buy or watch fights though.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:02
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Charles Gnarwin posted:Taking third in the Olympics caused Ronda to spiral into a year of heavy drug and alcohol abuse. It's not hard to imagine how she might take losing embarrassingly on the biggest stage of possible. People can suffer from depression while still seeming ok to the public. ...is she a bear?
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Feb 19, 2016 18:13
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FYI granny loves the big guy!
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RaceyBucket posted:I wish she hadn't said it because a bunch of people on my facebook wall used it as an excuse to spout some utter bs about how week she is. This is what I mean. Everyone had been waiting to say this the whole time. DannoMack posted:A large number of people really enjoyed her losing. I suspect most of them don't buy or watch fights though. More people don't buy/watch fights than do. As little attention that I pay to media, last year I remember seeing Ronda portrayed strongly, to the point of ridiculousness in the promos leading up to her match with Holly Holm (where she was called the greatest woman athlete to ever live, and things like that). This year all the only portrayals I've seen of Rousey are her getting kicked in the head and her crying on Ellen. This is what people think of woman athletes.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:25
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I know everyone is jumping all ove themselves to dick ride Dave, but he has a history of lovely comments in relation to women, including Rousey, in regards to their looks, spousal abuse and other issues. And to sit here and diagnose her on a forum due to one audio clip is dumb, just like what he said was dumb. If she says she was feeling suicidal, then take it at face value because that's what normal adults do.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:26
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Electric Lady posted:This year all the only portrayals I've seen of Rousey are her getting kicked in the head and her crying on Ellen. This is what people think of woman athletes. What exactly is there to talk about in regards to Ronda Rousey? Her most recent fight was her getting kicked in the head, and there isn't a 'next fight' to talk about because she doesn't have a next fight lined up. What there is to talk about is her previous fight, and how she is responding to the defeat.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:34
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Electric Lady posted:This is what I mean. Everyone had been waiting to say this the whole time. Oh no they were not waiting it was just more ammunition to them.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:36
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Great White Hope posted:What exactly is there to talk about in regards to Ronda Rousey? Her most recent fight was her getting kicked in the head, and there isn't a 'next fight' to talk about because she doesn't have a next fight lined up. What there is to talk about is her previous fight, and how she is responding to the defeat. Well she should have tailored her message to appease people who already hate her. Because it's her responsibility to not represent herself in an honest way but as a representative of what the ideal woman should be.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:39
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The dumb thing was saying that she needs to have Travis Browne's babies and that's all her life is worth living for. A man who is still married to a woman whom he abused. And even worse, he's a bad, lovely fighter who sucks. Ronda Rousey is an absolute piece of poo poo if she wants to procreate with Travis Browne hth.
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Feb 19, 2016 18:53
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Great White Hope posted:What exactly is there to talk about in regards to Ronda Rousey? Her most recent fight was her getting kicked in the head, and there isn't a 'next fight' to talk about because she doesn't have a next fight lined up. What there is to talk about is her previous fight, and how she is responding to the defeat. She doesn't have a fight booked, but is tentatively slotted to fight the winner of Holm/Tate. That will likely be a top five PPV in UFC history. It's not set in stone, and the fact that its kind of up in the air is actually an interesting talking point. She is one of the most important fighters of all time, and at worst the second most important fighter in the world right now. She went on TV and talked about suicide. So, there is plenty to talk about.
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Feb 19, 2016 19:00
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Fluffdaddy posted:I know everyone is jumping all ove themselves to dick ride Dave, but he has a history of lovely comments in relation to women, including Rousey, in regards to their looks, spousal abuse and other issues. Dave's 180 degree turn on Ronda is insane. He couldn't praise her enough before her loss, and now it's totally different. His comments about her on that pod were probably cold at best, and maybe worse, depending on what he actually meant. Lloyd Boner posted:The dumb thing was saying that she needs to have Travis Browne's babies and that's all her life is worth living for. A man who is still married to a woman whom he abused. And even worse, he's a bad, lovely fighter who sucks. Can someone clarify what actually happened? I hadn't followed that story closely, and read that his wife's bruises were not from him?
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Feb 19, 2016 19:05
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Electric Lady posted:This is what I mean. Everyone had been waiting to say this the whole time. So you're saying that when she was unbeatable, she was portrayed as unbeatable, and when she lost, she was portrayed as a loser? I mean...that's just how dumb sports coverage works. I hate to use Lebron as an example again, because gently caress Lebron, but for years idiot sports talking heads (and a lot of fans) talked about how he wasn't clutch and was basically a coward and a loser for reasons as dumb as "he didn't take the last shot at the all star game"
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Did you just miss the obscene revelling in RR's loss or?
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I must be interpreting things wildly differently, I didn't find anything too upsetting in what Dave said. I just assumed he was speaking of Ronda in terms of being a star and a draw, and her saying that the reason she kept on living is to pump out some married dude's kids is not exactly a "star" thing to say.
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Feb 19, 2016 20:03
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DannoMack posted:Did you just miss the obscene revelling in RR's loss or? Did you miss the obscene reveling in the Miami Heat losing to the Dallas Mavericks a few years back?
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Feb 19, 2016 20:18
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The difference between this and Lebron is that while Lebron's loss was to belittle the individual as an athlete, Ronda's loss is being used to justify not only her incapability but the incapability of all woman athletes. Rousey's next title shot was moved off of UFC 200 because after a couple of weeks people stopped considering it a draw. And do you think an average individual is gonna know or care about Joanna Champion? Again, I do not pay enough attention to media, but I don't know if UFC is prepared to continue working on their women's division by pushing their other capable, undefeated woman athletes.triplexpac posted:I must be interpreting things wildly differently, I didn't find anything too upsetting in what Dave said. I just assumed he was speaking of Ronda in terms of being a star and a draw, and her saying that the reason she kept on living is to pump out some married dude's kids is not exactly a "star" thing to say. His exact line was "Mm-hmm. I wish she hadn't told us." Not that she shouldn't have revealed vulnerability as a star, but that Dave didn't want to hear any of it. Meltzer does not respect Ronda Rousey as a draw or a star. Electric Lady fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Electric Lady posted:His exact line was "Mm-hmm. I wish she hadn't told us." Not that she shouldn't have revealed vulnerability as a star, but that Dave didn't want to hear any of it. Meltzer does not respect Ronda Rousey as a draw or a star. Fair enough! I just interpreted that as a sarcastic way of saying "I wish she never said that"
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Feb 19, 2016 20:28
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Electric Lady posted:The difference between this and Lebron is that while Lebron's loss was to belittle the individual as an athlete, Ronda's loss is being used to justify not only her incapability but the incapability of woman athletes. Rousey's next title shot was moved off of UFC 200 because after a couple of weeks people stopped considering it a draw. Ronda was taken off UFC 200 at her request because of filming a movie (and probably to recover from the loss). If you think it's because of women athletes not being capable, you're arguing Ronda Rousey doesn't think women athletes are competent because a woman beat her in a fight.
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Electric Lady posted:The difference between this and Lebron is that while Lebron's loss was to belittle the individual as an athlete, Ronda's loss is being used to justify not only her incapability but the incapability of all woman athletes. Rousey's next title shot was moved off of UFC 200 because after a couple of weeks people stopped considering it a draw. And do you think an average individual is gonna know or care about Joanna Champion? Again, I do not pay enough attention to media, but I don't know if UFC is prepared to continue working on their women's division by pushing their other capable, undefeated woman athletes. quote:Ronda Rousey, the former UFC women's bantamweight champion who fought three times in just under nine months in 2015, won't be quite as active in the Octagon this year.
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Electric Lady posted:The difference between this and Lebron is that while Lebron's loss was to belittle the individual as an athlete, Ronda's loss is being used to justify not only her incapability but the incapability of woman athletes. Rousey's next title shot was moved off of UFC 200 because after a couple of weeks people stopped considering it a draw. 1. I don't respect Ronda because she's dumb as gently caress. About trans people, about Sandy Hook, about domestic abuse ("this person sucks, this person doesn't because I'm dating him now"), about basically everything that isn't fighting, which would be much more respectable if she only ever talked about fighting and nothing else. 2. It was moved off of 200 because she's making four films and was never going to pull off shooting all of them, plus having a full camp, plus hype the fight with media appearances and press conferences
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Electric Lady posted:The difference between this and Lebron is that while Lebron's loss was to belittle the individual as an athlete, Ronda's loss is being used to justify not only her incapability but the incapability of all woman athletes. Rousey's next title shot was moved off of UFC 200 because after a couple of weeks people stopped considering it a draw. I kinda doubt this is why it was moved off the show
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Great White Hope posted:Ronda was taken off UFC 200 at her request because of filming a movie (and probably to recover from the loss). If you think it's because of women athletes not being capable, you're arguing Ronda Rousey doesn't think women athletes are competent because a woman beat her in a fight. Thank you for the correction. I went back to the Observer and it was because of the Road House filming being pushed back. I was going off of vague remembrances from a radio show, Dave saying something along the lines of "it'd be better in the long run," or something. I remember there was talk about more than the movie. And of course, I'm referring to public view of woman athletes, particularly in MMA. I can't judge what Rousey thinks of her peers or try to psychoanalyze that (god forbid I do that with my utter lack of a Psy.D). E: And I'm not passing judgment on Ronda Rousey as a good or bad person, either by talking about those public views. I don't think she's a good person, especially for the transphobic comments she's made. Again, just about the view. Electric Lady fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Feb 19, 2016 |
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Electric Lady posted:To me Meltzer's comment came off much different. It came off like he thinks no one actually gives a poo poo about her. He spent the last 5 minutes before saying that explaining how she was on the cover because SI thought she'd sell the most magazines, he is in no way implying no one gives a poo poo about her. He's saying just the opposite, she's a huge star and might not even fight again because of it.
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MassRafTer posted:He spent the last 5 minutes before saying that explaining how she was on the cover because SI thought she'd sell the most magazines, he is in no way implying no one gives a poo poo about her. He's saying just the opposite, she's a huge star and might not even fight again because of it. I feel like I've heard Dave say multiple times that losing to Holly might have made Ronda even more popular than she was before.
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Feb 19, 2016 20:46
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Great White Hope posted:Did you miss the obscene reveling in the Miami Heat losing to the Dallas Mavericks a few years back? Do you think this is the same or are you making a joke? I don't want to own myself by responding to this seriously if you already know how silly it is.
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Feb 19, 2016 20:48
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triplexpac posted:I feel like I've heard Dave say multiple times that losing to Holly might have made Ronda even more popular than she was before. The only 2 negative things I can recall Dave saying about Ronda since her loss was keeping Edmond as her coach, and wishing that she never said “I looked up and I saw my man Travis was standing up there, and I looked up at him and I was like, I need to have his babies.”
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Feb 19, 2016 20:49
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DannoMack posted:Do you think this is the same or are you making a joke? I don't want to own myself by responding to this seriously if you already know how silly it is. It's not the exact same, because Ronda publicly called out arguably the greatest boxer of all time regardless of gender, and then got completely and utterly dominated by a boxer whose MMA career, while undefeated, was completely unimpressive, but if you're seriously going to pretend that people laughing really hard at a massively overhyped rear end in a top hat getting their rear end handed to them is a Ronda-exclusive thing, I have bad news for you.
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This started because people were saying RR was being suicidal wrong. Then people wanted to act like the Internet wasn't jacking off in its own mouth about her getting taken down a peg. Now it's going to turn into RR has problematic opinions and Travis Browne is a dirtball, which are undeniable and make this topic dumb and boring now.
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DannoMack posted:This started because people were saying RR was being suicidal wrong. Then people wanted to act like the Internet wasn't jacking off in its own mouth about her getting taken down a peg. Now it's going to turn into RR has problematic opinions and Travis Browne is a dirtball, which are undeniable and make this topic dumb and boring now. This is exactly what I was trying to avoid by not talking about her as a person. Forgive me, everyone. Moving on. Observer Live on now. Looking forward to a good show. Makes my lunch hour worthwhile.
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