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Cingulate posted:A good fraction of them are essentially science journalism and should be treated as such. None are actually science, and should thus not be treated as such. The only thing they need to be treated with is scorn and mocking laughter.
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Cingulate posted:This is still literally the best analogy in the whole universe. Hi Wesley
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Cingulate posted:I never "darkly hint", I'm very specific about my points, and if there is anything unclear, I'm sure I could muster way too many words in response to you making a specific inquiry. I was talking about Wesley, maybe I mistook who The Vosgian Beast was referring to.
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DOuble post
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Also Cingulate, are you perhaps mistaking my link to SSC as pointing to the actual article proper? I was linking to a very specific comment he made in the comments section rather than the whole post.
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Merdifex posted:I was talking about Wesley, maybe I mistook who The Vosgian Beast was referring to. Merdifex posted:Also Cingulate, are you perhaps mistaking my link to SSC as pointing to the actual article proper? I was linking to a very specific comment he made in the comments section rather than the whole post.
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Cingulate posted:The 3-comment series full of links? That's what I was thinking of. Yes, I fail to see how the issue of science journalism standards comes into the issue of Scott regurgitating Moldbuggian ideas with a SSC twist. How he represents (or misrepresents) his sources is only marginally relevant compared to what sources he uses to prove what. I was bringing to attention his confirmation bias, and his wholehearted adoption of NRx ideas, even in the guise of coming up with it originally and the leaps of logic involved in his doing so.
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Cingulate posted:Okay, all good points. Ah okay, I agree with this then  Cingulate posted:Wrt. the last point, here you've lost me. First, on what do you base the claim that women are disproportionally repelled by bad writing? Next, a good bit of it is essential; some things simply can't be written up in a way that enables lay people to read it, while still carrying the necessary detail, e.g., almost everything in Methods sections. From my own field, neuroimaging preprocessing is just a huge pile of boring garbage that nobody who's not in the field could ever understand. I phrased it clumsily, I didn't mean that women were specifically repelled by bad writing but that obtuse writing is a symptom of the larger problem of academia generally having an in-crowd mentality, and THAT tends to exclude women. I'm basing this off Some Article I Read a long time ago analyzing why more women didn't become professors in the "hard" sciences. It explored biases against them (IE you're a girl you can't do math / you should have to "prove yourself" in ways a man wouldn't be expected to), but also problems with the culture - in a lot of cases science departments are mostly old white men and so the professional culture has grown around that, and this means when women are considering entering the field they have an inherent problem of not feeling like they "fit in" or others not judging them to "fit in" with the culture, even if you ignore the other biases against them. Getting back to writing, I realize that there is an inescapable amount of complexity and obtuseness that comes with being on the cutting edge of a field, but the way you were describing it made it sound like you think this was a designed-in feature that was meant to keep people out. I think academics often have issues describing their work clearly even given the inherent complexity necessary, and that only compounds the "othering"/"gatekeeping" effect. They certainly shouldn't try to do this, at the very least (though it seems like you probably agree with that and I just got the wrong idea from the original post). Silver2195 posted:He does, but he does it in a pretty annoying way a lot of the time. Perhaps the real cure is a rule change to focus the thread exclusively on people who are clearly wrong about everything all the time, like Jim? Eh, that hasn't saved other mock threads where the topics are unambiguously stupid, like bronies.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Eh, that hasn't saved other mock threads where the topics are unambiguously stupid, like bronies. The Deegan mock thread survived to completion. I'd like to say it was my fantastic personality that did it but it was more that we just had a demand to ignore people and take the piss out of ideas only. You can't keep ranting about an idea unless it keeps popping up, whereas if you're ranting about the person behind it then you can ham up vitriol until everyone's just screaming while flinging poop.
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Silver2195 posted:He does, but he does it in a pretty annoying way a lot of the time. Perhaps the real cure is a rule change to focus the thread exclusively on people who are clearly wrong about everything all the time, like Jim? I am reminded of how the American Christian Right tends to support Israel entirely because it plays a role in end-times prophecies.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I am reminded of how the American Christian Right tends to support Israel entirely because it plays a role in end-times prophecies. I thought it was because they're seen as the "good" brown people who fight back the Muslim moon god hordes.
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There is also a quasi-rational Cold War side to it. It's multi factorial.
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Sandifer book update: he's finished the first draft, with six thousand words on William Blake, setting out in detail how Blake refuted all these NRx fools' claims before they made them - particularly apposite since if they're so drat proud of their knowledge of dusty tomes they drat well should have known their Blake already. Also actually finds nice things to say about Yudkowsky's Red Tidday UP which is a critical feat of some magnitude. So the 50k braindump is done, now to edit. I expect it will grow in the editing. Title will be Neoreaction A Basilisk - I don't like the title, but he thinks it'll get the Amazon searchers so ehh whatever works. No ETA as yet - he's going to get a structure down for a larger work on Blake, then get back to this.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I thought it was because they're seen as the "good" brown people who fight back the Muslim moon god hordes. divabot posted:Sandifer book update: he's finished the first draft
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I thought it was because they're seen as the "good" brown people who fight back the Muslim moon god hordes. Israel is also considered the sardonically named 'Jesus Trap' by the rest of us - making fun of the evangelicals seeing Israel as the best way to bait Jesus back to Earth for Judgement Day.
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Tesseraction posted:Israel is also considered the sardonically named 'Jesus Trap' by the rest of us - making fun of the evangelicals seeing Israel as the best way to bait Jesus back to Earth for Judgement Day. For reference, in Rapture literature there's a firm belief that Jesus will reappear in an Israel controlled by His Chosen People during the end times. Since a lot of Evangelicals cling hard to the belief that we are in the end times right now- and therefore there's no fuckin' point in pushing for social progress because it's all gonna be over soon anyway- their belief has warped into this strange fascination with the idea that it's time, but all the pieces need to be in the right place. Like they can rules-lawyer God into hitting the big button on His Almighty Control Panel with the word RAPTURE on it by setting it all up for Him and then getting His attention. Or, alternatively, that almighty, omnipotent God can't start the rapture because all the pieces aren't in the exact place yet. It's the same poo poo as the Prosperity Gospel, turning God into a magic spell that works if you do it right and believe hard.
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tbf there is some Rules as God/God as Rules in the Torah. Basically a couple of rabbis are way down the theological rabbi(t) hole, God weighs in, and gets told to butt out, because not even the Voice outweighs the Torah.
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Somfin posted:For reference, in Rapture literature there's a firm belief that Jesus will reappear in an Israel controlled by His Chosen People during the end times. Since a lot of Evangelicals cling hard to the belief that we are in the end times right now- and therefore there's no fuckin' point in pushing for social progress because it's all gonna be over soon anyway- their belief has warped into this strange fascination with the idea that it's time, but all the pieces need to be in the right place. Like they can rules-lawyer God into hitting the big button on His Almighty Control Panel with the word RAPTURE on it by setting it all up for Him and then getting His attention. Or, alternatively, that almighty, omnipotent God can't start the rapture because all the pieces aren't in the exact place yet. See also: that Jewish group trying to breed the Apocalypse Cow, ISIS' belief that they're going to win a massive battle at the otherwise strategically uninteresting city of Dabiq, &c.
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Peztopiary posted:tbf there is some Rules as God/God as Rules in the Torah. Basically a couple of rabbis are way down the theological rabbi(t) hole, God weighs in, and gets told to butt out, because not even the Voice outweighs the Torah. Yeah I love that story: http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_59.html (It's in the B part, halfway down page) The Talmud was clearly the Sequences of its day!
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The Talmud contains both wit and humanity, both of which are objectively suboptimal compared to anime.
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http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-dark-enlightenment-of-flint/ Read the whole thing. quote:Jack Graham notes that “if you want a vision of the future, imagine Flint, Michigan - forever.” The neoreactionary movement, meanwhile has been doing just that for several years. Neoreaction - essentially the pseudo-intellectual wing of the loosely defined alt-right (see also Gamergate, Trump, and the “human biodiversity” crowd) - has been clanking around the fringes of the discourse for a few years now, basically getting started when a software engineer named Curtis Yarvin started a sideline career blogging as Mencius Moldbug in 2007, and gathering proper steam when Nick Land, formerly an academic associated with the Cybernetic Cultures Research Unit at the University of Warwick and one of the forefathers of accelerationism, made a dramatic heel turn in the form of an essay called “The Dark Enlightenment” in 2013 in which he, and I’m paraphrasing here, basically concluded that the best hope of a posthuman future where everyone has face tentacles lies in the form of white nationalists. I’m writing a book that’s more or less about them. It’ll be fun. Count Chocula has a new favorite as of 02:59 on Feb 20, 2016 |
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divabot posted:Sandifer book update: he's finished the first draft, with six thousand words on William Blake, setting out in detail how Blake refuted all these NRx fools' claims before they made them - particularly apposite since if they're so drat proud of their knowledge of dusty tomes they drat well should have known their Blake already. so what's this red tidday up thing people keep mentioning
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neonnoodle posted:The Talmud was clearly the Sequences of its day! This is the most anti-Semitic thing I have ever head
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Literally The Worst posted:so what's this red tidday up thing people keep mentioning Supposedly an underage girl, as written by Eliezer Yudkowsky, posted:Though I am a little worried. I’ve never gone more than a day or two without giving myself release. Even when I tried to deny myself for perverted reasons, my willpower failed. I hope that I can clear up this Wicked Emperor matter in a month, and not go insane with repressed desires before then. hence the title "red tidday UP white tidday DOWN" as coined by some goon on one of the three or four threads on which this wondrous work is apposite. I have a copy of the whole thing in my inbox. I haven't opened it yet. In its favour, I will say that (a) he wrote something and finished it (b) this is a better use of everyone's time than made-up artificial intelligence "research" or scientific racism. Nick Land's fiction is better in almost every regard.
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Someone should pull a zany scheme to convince people that Chuck C. Johnson said something mildly positive about muslims or mexicans so idiots will start calling him Cuck C. Johnson
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Someone should pull a zany scheme to convince people that Chuck C. Johnson said something mildly positive about muslims or mexicans so idiots will start calling him Cuck C. Johnson I love the word replacer so much.
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djw175 posted:I love the word replacer so much. I have no clue who he's talking about, though.
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Magnusth posted:I have no clue who he's talking about, though. Remove the h from his real first name
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Magnusth posted:I have no clue who he's talking about, though. If you quote someone who's been filtered, you can see their original text. he said cuck
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Someone should pull a zany scheme to convince people that Chuck C. Johnson said something mildly positive about muslims or mexicans so idiots will start calling him Cuck C. Johnson we already live in the worst cyberpunk future Oh, Phil Sandifer discovered Scott. He's not a fan. (There is no Scott in the neoreaction book.) And got a "welcome to tumblr rationalism here's your accordion" from Multiheaded.
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divabot posted:we already live in the worst cyberpunk future Yeah, I really don't get what MultiHeaded's deal is with rationalism critics, and why she has no problem with Nazis spewing hate towards her.
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That Scott guy is like a bright high-schooler who never grew up. Does he really not understand that people have written books about democracy before and that he could read some of them if he were curious?
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Peztopiary posted:To be blunt, no he doesn't. The whole deal with the rationalist community is that it's a way for people who believe themselves to be of above average intelligence to wank themselves blind over that fact. He just sort of blindly accepts NRx dogma that the non STEM disciplines are all filled with decadent obscurantist postmodernists who spend all their time trying to prove Marx right. So obviously he can do better by starting over with his rationalist superbrain and ignoring centuries of work done before him.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:He just sort of blindly accepts NRx dogma that the non STEM disciplines are all filled with decadent obscurantist postmodernists I get that you're vaguely trying to make a point that is not obviously false and I have some ideas as to what it might be, but right now, you're not. Also, what's with this STEMophobia? Nerds aren't gonna steal your lunch money.
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Cingulate posted:Scott has a minor in philosophy IIRC. Anecdotally in my experience STEMlords are more likely to be technofetishist libertarians who think computers will solve all the world's social problems, and at the same time there's a somewhat concerning push at least in America to get rid of all the "worthless" parts of public education and only focus on STEM because that's the only one that will get you a job.
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Cingulate posted:Scott has a minor in philosophy IIRC. thats lovely dear
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Anecdotally in my experience STEMlords are more likely to be technofetishist libertarians who think computers will solve all the world's social problems When I think of nerd media, I think of BoingBoing and Slashdot, which is about as far to the left as Slate, but not, unlike Slate, really bad. (The worst discipline is in my rather limited experience sports science, followed by law.)
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