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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Limonov is a drat good writer, and Russia would be a better place if he was in charge, imo.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 03:13

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Flocons de Jambon: Apr 11, 2015

Flocons de Jambon posted:

It's a little known fact that the meaning behind the fascist salute is "I've had it up to HERE with the diffusion of energy, futility and failure of trying to organize an international workers struggle!"

leninism is blaquist substitutionism hth

# ? Feb 19, 2016 10:17

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Flocons de Jambon posted:

It's a little known fact that the meaning behind the fascist salute is "I've had it up to HERE with the diffusion of energy, futility and failure of trying to organize an international workers struggle!"

Actually it means "you must be at least THIS TALL to get on Mr. Hitler's Wild Ride!"

# ? Feb 19, 2016 10:43

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Limonov is a drat good writer, and Russia would be a better place if he was in charge, imo.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 14:46

Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

Homework Explainer posted:

uh

lol

thin

wedge

# ? Feb 19, 2016 17:26

swampman: Oct 20, 2008; by Shine

At first I thought your posting was representativeof modern D&D poster. And it very well may be, and that most posters just dont stick their heads out their safe megathread environs where they have established pecking orders and at what time of day you can get away with saying "bitch" and no women will see. But after a few days of watching post agglomerate I can see that you are totally alone in your weird fantasies and most other posters browsing my post intend to vote PSL. By this i extrapolate that PSL will take 80-90% of general election this season, but obsessed lunatics like yourself who are willing to hirribly waste their time chanting about ancient stateless armies that went around daring ussr to defeat them, in some connection to like, why adorno thinks your positive child butthole experiences led to your predilection for socialism-in-one-neighborhood, are just going to debase themselves enough to get all the horrible press jobs and then lie to the public on election day that Bernie Sanders love to drink milk and not Diet Palestinian Baby Blood, ya chump

# ? Feb 19, 2016 22:20

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

this sjw stalinist (what a combo) i know got really mad that central american leftist stations endorsed bernie for pres and was like "Don't they know he wants to kill brown people like them?!?!"

# ? Feb 19, 2016 22:24

1mpper: Nov 26, 2004

hes not wrong

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:30

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

The Saurus posted:

this sjw stalinist (what a combo) i know got really mad that central american leftist stations endorsed bernie for pres and was like "Don't they know he wants to kill brown people like them?!?!"

accurate imo

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:31

a god damn idiot: Sep 7, 2006

swampman posted:

At first I thought your posting was representativeof modern D&D poster. And it very well may be, and that most posters just dont stick their heads out their safe megathread environs where they have established pecking orders and at what time of day you can get away with saying "bitch" and no women will see. But after a few days of watching post agglomerate I can see that you are totally alone in your weird fantasies and most other posters browsing my post intend to vote PSL. By this i extrapolate that PSL will take 80-90% of general election this season, but obsessed lunatics like yourself who are willing to hirribly waste their time chanting about ancient stateless armies that went around daring ussr to defeat them, in some connection to like, why adorno thinks your positive child butthole experiences led to your predilection for socialism-in-one-neighborhood, are just going to debase themselves enough to get all the horrible press jobs and then lie to the public on election day that Bernie Sanders love to drink milk and not Diet Palestinian Baby Blood, ya chump

Dang, swampman strikes again.

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:35

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

The Saurus posted:

this sjw stalinist (what a combo) i know got really mad

how could you tell??

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:36

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

how could you tell??

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:48

Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

swampman posted:

At first I thought your posting was representativeof modern D&D poster. And it very well may be, and that most posters just dont stick their heads out their safe megathread environs where they have established pecking orders and at what time of day you can get away with saying "bitch" and no women will see. But after a few days of watching post agglomerate I can see that you are totally alone in your weird fantasies and most other posters browsing my post intend to vote PSL. By this i extrapolate that PSL will take 80-90% of general election this season, but obsessed lunatics like yourself who are willing to hirribly waste their time chanting about ancient stateless armies that went around daring ussr to defeat them, in some connection to like, why adorno thinks your positive child butthole experiences led to your predilection for socialism-in-one-neighborhood, are just going to debase themselves enough to get all the horrible press jobs and then lie to the public on election day that Bernie Sanders love to drink milk and not Diet Palestinian Baby Blood, ya chump

translate this from "idiot bitch" to english please

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:51

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

1mpper posted:

hes not wrong

# ? Feb 19, 2016 23:58

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Top City Homo posted:

Behold my shame: a serious post.

I am always saddened when people understand socialism but are completely baffled by fascism.

Fascism is revolutionary "socialist nationalism". It is a degenerate offshoot of revolutionary socialism (yellow socialism), and at some point believed that it was the evolution of socialism. so its really important that you don't treat fascism like an alien ideology.

Robert Michels, for example, believed that socialism was tamed by the ruling elites and co opted into the liberal framework that required a vanguardist proletarian elite to lead a national syndicalist revolution, because the masses had immense energy but no will to shape social evolution.

A lot a of fascists were former socialists dissatisfied with the failure of international revolution and hated the diffusion of energy, futility and failure of trying to organize an international workers struggle. They wanted to find a solution to the "social problem" as it was defined within the nation state and did this by exchanging class solidarity for national solidarity while using Marxist language to inspire violent revolution.

Their analysis is basically Marxist but anti-communist within a wide spectrum of mild to virulent antisemitism:

1.) a weak bourgeoisie state beholden to conflicting international capitalist (Jewish) interest that needed to be overthrown for their failure and replaced by a strong vital heroism
2.) social chaos caused by the failure of capitalist economics that allowed international (Bolshevik/Jewish) forces to destabilize the country and lose its national identity as defined by its petty bourgeoisie leadership.

Here is what actually constituted fascism:

Anti-capitalism: Capitalism was associated with international finance (not private property) that preyed on a weak bourgeoisie state. The elites had hampered change for too long and a popular dictatorial national revitalization would be necessary to stop the looting of national wealth.

Heroism: A liberal democratic parliament represented a weak state beholden to conflicting interests. Elections rotated a failing ruling class while stifling real change through bureaucracy. The proletariat (petty bourgeoisie in reality) could only find respite in a true revolutionary overthrow of the liberal state. The masses needed a charismatic authority who would use the power of the state to intercede on their behalf. Heroism meant action instead of deliberation and the rule of law and unity of purpose instead of factionalism.

Elitism: This is where many people fall off and confuse it with corporatism. Fascism didn't really have an economic policy. It had a social goal and that goal was worker repression. Unionism, workers self management and cooperativism was destroyed by fascist policies and subordinated to industrial giants with the backing of the state.

Gaetano Mosca's Elite Theory described a natural scientific social order where a minority class of enlightened controlled a passive majority of workers with the wholesale backing of the state apparatus which would win "labor peace" through the guarantee of full employment and some social services. Fascists believed in a natural order of gifted men to rule the population as long as the social order had mechanisms to replace the elite, those with superior organizational skills, who failed to rule wisely. The revolution would not stop the natural cyclical nature of elites or the pyramid structure of society.

On a side note, Michal Kalecki made a very interesting analysis on the political implication of full employment and why full employment has only been seen in fascist states. http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/kalecki220510.html

International Struggle: The class struggle envisioned by Marxism was turned into the struggle of the nation state against international enemies. The state became the worker and the world the capitalist class against which the nation was to be eternally aggrieved. Society would be regimented against enemies who wanted to weaken it from within or without.

Socialism means worker control of the economy "democratic worker control of the means of production": Alexander Shlyapnikov/ Nestor Makhno/ CNT-FAI etc.

Now compare Leninism/Stalinism and Fascism:

Heroic anti-parliamentary: yes
Vanguardist/Anti-worker control: yes
International struggle vs Class struggle: Considering Stalin acted like a lapdog for the British by interceding on the side of the Republican government against the anarchists in order to protect British property I would say that he was working in state interest vs class interest.
National: "socialism in one country" i.e. yes

Bolshevism and Fascism are not exactly the same but neither was austrofascism or Felangism. I consider them to have enough similarities to call them sister movements. This is especially true if you consider worker control of the means of production through democratic governance the quintessential mark of socialism.

Bolsheviks took power through a putsch when they kicked out the Constituent Assembly.

The Bolsheviks were militaristic and expansionist. In every area where they took over worker control was destroyed.

for everyone who doesn't want to read this pedantic bullshit:

tl;dr: both Bolshevism and fascism were elitist, anti democratic worker control and authoritarian. They ended up being the same in structure if not ideology. Socialism is worker control and the Soviet Union did everything to destroy it just like the bourgeoisie fascists. im gaaaaaay as gently caress

Legit the best post in this forum thus far.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 01:43

a god damn idiot: Sep 7, 2006

Wheeee posted:

Legit the best post in this forum thus far.

Imagine being this stupid and uneducated

# ? Feb 20, 2016 02:01

Flocons de Jambon: Apr 11, 2015

Dateline Manchuria:

Hordes of former socialists have poured across the border and are meeting little resistance. A retreating Chiang Kai Chek had these words for his embattled country: "leninism is blaquist substitutionism hth"

# ? Feb 20, 2016 02:07

Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

Homework Explainer posted:

aren't you a native speaker

no, no i am not on both counts

# ? Feb 20, 2016 03:09

Top City Homo: Oct 15, 2014; Ramrod XTreme

a god drat idiot posted:

Imagine being this stupid and uneducated

don't sign your posts

# ? Feb 20, 2016 03:12

oystertoadfish: Jun 17, 2003

are you that baby who rolled down the steps

edit to be clear the baby was cool im cool with the baby

oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Feb 20, 2016

# ? Feb 20, 2016 03:14

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

Enjoy posted:

Nice meltdown

lol

# ? Feb 20, 2016 08:07

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JauB3k4-tZQ

# ? Feb 20, 2016 11:08

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Omi-Polari posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JauB3k4-tZQ

# ? Feb 20, 2016 11:10

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Omi-Polari posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JauB3k4-tZQ

# ? Feb 20, 2016 14:10

swampman: Oct 20, 2008; by Shine

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

I actually officially signed up to join the PSL today, instead of just posting about it on social media. Felt good.

Nice..

# ? Feb 20, 2016 14:46

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

# ? Feb 20, 2016 15:25

The Saurus: Dec 3, 2006; by Smythe

I think it's time we disposed of all of the dumb labels and academic polemics and just got together and smashed the gently caress out of the state and the ruling class tbqh

# ? Feb 20, 2016 15:31

swampman: Oct 20, 2008; by Shine

The Saurus posted:

I think it's time we disposed of all of the dumb labels and academic polemics and just got together and smashed the gently caress out of the state and the ruling class tbqh

Aw yeah that sounds totally great, stop calling trots dumb, stop abusing Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Third Worldism to showcase the lies of imperialism, lets just joining the nearest teacher's strike and when they start chanting "our children need a future" thats our call to toss cherry bombs and a microwave oven at the cops from the roof of a bus stop

# ? Feb 20, 2016 17:10

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

The Saurus posted:

I think it's time we disposed of all of the dumb labels and academic polemics and just got together and smashed the gently caress out of the state and the ruling class tbqh

JESUS loving CHRIST WHY HASN"T ANYBODY THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE!?

Somebody make this man the leader of the Vanguard!!!

# ? Feb 20, 2016 17:22

AARO: Mar 9, 2005; by Lowtax

With Bernie running and polling at 48% there is no good reason to support this crap.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 17:37

swampman: Oct 20, 2008; by Shine

Hi my name is ____ and Im from the PSL. do you have time to join a lynch mob today? I have this list of criminals, see here #1. George W. Bush. #2. Ronald Reagan. Oh cross him out. Its an old pamplet. #3 Assata Shakur, one of the black nationalists who - well you know who else was a nationalist and socialist? Can I continue? #4 Lenin and his cronyist regime for supporting the Second Spanish Republic instead of Anarchist Aragon!! Why didn't Lenin check out pdfs released by the aragon peasantry about wine distribution? Yeah cross this one out too, the pamphlet needs update

# ? Feb 20, 2016 17:49

swampman: Oct 20, 2008; by Shine

olin posted:

With Bernie running and polling at 48% there is no good reason to support this crap.

"Bernie" is going to bomb people in other countries. I guess i really am a single issue voter and my single issue is "I dont vote for murderers," I cant explain it thats just crazy me

# ? Feb 20, 2016 17:53

AARO: Mar 9, 2005; by Lowtax

swampman posted:

"Bernie" is going to bomb people in other countries. I guess i really am a single issue voter and my single issue is "I dont vote for murderers," I cant explain it thats just crazy me

Yet you support this party that is, just like Bernie, totally supportive of infanticide.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 17:57

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Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

olin posted:

Yet you support this party that is, just like Bernie, totally supportive of infanticide.

Only for Ukrainian infants

# ? Feb 20, 2016 18:21

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