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Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013





What's so bad about that? Besides the whole "advert for lawyers" thing which I've always found weird.

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Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
An appropriate number for estate lawyers

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
Ever since I clicked on that link my Facebook is full of DUDE WIPES ads! :argh:

Radio Paranoia
Jun 27, 2010

It is now safe to turn off your computer.

Doctor Malaver posted:

Ever since I clicked on that link my Facebook is full of DUDE WIPES ads! :argh:

Maybe they're trying to tell you something?

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Somfin posted:

Adblock has a whitelist that companies can pay to join. UBlock doesn't.

Oh no, not one whole extra checkbox to click while setting up!

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Ublock Origin also uses less RAM and CPU than Adblock.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Sleeveless posted:

Oh no, not one whole extra checkbox to click while setting up!



Yeah, that genie goes right back in the fuckin' bottle, doesn't it?

E: Hmm. Which blocking software do I want- the one that just fuckin' blocks everything, or the one that checks to make sure I really want to block everything when I'm getting ad blocking software? And starts with the 'don't actually block everything' box ticked and greyed out?

I remember seeing a bit of software where the installer had a back button on the first page- and going back from the first page was the only way to prevent it from installing a pair of toolbars. Software is built on trust, and lovely little things like that damage that trust.

Somfin has a new favorite as of 11:36 on Feb 19, 2016

I Am Crake
Mar 31, 2010

There is so much beautiful in the world if you look around. You are only looking at the dirt under your feet, Jimmy. It's not good for you.

Somfin posted:

Yeah, that genie goes right back in the fuckin' bottle, doesn't it?

E: Hmm. Which blocking software do I want- the one that just fuckin' blocks everything, or the one that checks to make sure I really want to block everything when I'm getting ad blocking software? And starts with the 'don't actually block everything' box ticked and greyed out?

I remember seeing a bit of software where the installer had a back button on the first page- and going back from the first page was the only way to prevent it from installing a pair of toolbars. Software is built on trust, and lovely little things like that damage that trust.

Content is paid for by advertisers, allowing some non-intrusive ads to be shown helps content creators and rewards avertisers who don't use lovely, malicious ads.

Oh no wait everything is always free and always will be, got it.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!

Somfin posted:

Yeah, that genie goes right back in the fuckin' bottle, doesn't it?

E: Hmm. Which blocking software do I want- the one that just fuckin' blocks everything, or the one that checks to make sure I really want to block everything when I'm getting ad blocking software? And starts with the 'don't actually block everything' box ticked and greyed out?

I remember seeing a bit of software where the installer had a back button on the first page- and going back from the first page was the only way to prevent it from installing a pair of toolbars. Software is built on trust, and lovely little things like that damage that trust.

:agreed:

Software that sneak in a checkbox for something like a new toolbar or search bar to be installed in your web browser to exploit your not paying close attention are also annoying as poo poo and I don't see how this should get a pass either.

Wylie
Jun 27, 2005

Ever to conquer, never to yield.


I Am Crake posted:

Content is paid for by advertisers, allowing some non-intrusive ads to be shown helps content creators and rewards avertisers who don't use lovely, malicious ads give Adblock money and pinkie swear not to "accidentally" distribute malware.

ftfy

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice
Any expectation of trust in a developer goes right out the window when they explicitly promise that the software they are promoting will block ads and then intentionally allow ads to be shown by default when it's installed. Like hell I'm gonna let them decide what the words "some" and "non-intrusive" mean after pulling that poo poo.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
Isn't uBlock open source as well?

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
Someone is trying to monetize a product/service that they don't charge for? loving shocking I tell you.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

I Am Crake posted:

Oh no wait everything is always free and always will be, got it.

The kind of advertising that Ublock blocks makes fractional percentages of pennies to the site host, throws malware and noisemakers onto websites, and shits cookies onto your browser to track your movements. Advertisers aren't held nearly as accountable as they should be.

And if your first thought is "well that's just how the web works" then that is exactly why we need Ublock.

bongwizzard posted:

Someone is trying to monetize a product/service that they don't charge for? loving shocking I tell you.

Monetization as a concept I'm fine with. It's when they 'monetize' by sneaking malware onto computers that I draw the fuckin' line.

Skaw
Aug 5, 2004

bongwizzard posted:

Someone is trying to monetize a product/service that they don't charge for? loving shocking I tell you.

That's why any modern blocker allows you to easily add exceptions to it. Like a dudes website? Tell ublock you don't want it to filter ads on his domain. Like a ladies YouTube channel? Tell ublock you don't want it filtering ads specifically on videos from her channel. For ublock, it's as easy as right clicking the icon by the address bar and clicking the option. It's the future. #wow #woah

This is also ignoring more direct means of getting money to creative types you enjoy, such as Patreon, PayPal donations, or subscriptions such as Twitch's.

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So in Survivor Commercials, all they are talking about is how these pretty and/or intelligent people are going to get brutalized by the "brutes" on the island for the new season. I'm curious what's appealing about that, I mean so far, I've seen 3 commercials and all of them are the host yelling stop or he's down, or we need to evacuate, while blood poors from some poor man / womans face.

Is there legit appeal in watching people get brutally victimized?

Goddamn Particle
Oct 10, 2013

Fan of Britches
TIL you can use the block element option in UBlock Origin to make duplicate ebay listings less annoying. There's still a space and a text listing to scroll past but you don't have to look at the same item 500 times because someone thought placing 500 ads with 1-cent price differences would make people want to buy their lovely product.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

bongwizzard posted:

Someone is trying to monetize a product/service that they don't charge for? loving shocking I tell you.

Dumb moves in marketing: making your advertising annoying enough that people seek out adblockers, shooting your business model in the foot.

But unfortunately it only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!

Skaw posted:

more direct means of getting money

pfft, as if anyone would pay money to use a forum, let alone pay extra for ad removal out of principle

Skaw
Aug 5, 2004

Sentient Data posted:

pfft, as if anyone would pay money to use a forum, let alone pay extra for ad removal out of principle

The other benefit is one dude donating a fiver is already putting more money in a persons pocket than several thousands of ad views ever would. Not only do people have to contend with the tenths/hundredths of a penny per view, they also only get a check after a certain value threshold is met or it just keeps rolling over month after month until the value is cumulatively met.


Internet ads are poo poo for income. They should definitely just be seen as a little bonus rather than the main way for you to make money on the net. Donations, subs, and to a lesser extent affiliates, are much more lucrative and personally engaging while being absolutely unintrusive. They're also way less painful to deal with. I know Google Adsense is extremely strict, which makes sense since it's one of the better ad deals you can get. But some dickhead refreshing your webpage over and over again will cause Google to look at you like you're someone trying to game the system and pull you from their program pretty quickly until you can prove otherwise.

Skaw has a new favorite as of 01:53 on Feb 20, 2016

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
I love adblock just because watching internet marketing people flail impotently, swearing that they're totally going to get adblocker software declared illegal because mumble mumble and then they'll get to keep their cushy SEO jobs forever, is funny as gently caress.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Skaw posted:

Internet ads are poo poo for income. They should definitely just be seen as a little bonus rather than the main way for you to make money on the net. Donations, subs, and to a lesser extent affiliates, are much more lucrative and personally engaging while being absolutely unintrusive. They're also way less painful to deal with. I know Google Adsense is extremely strict, which makes sense since it's one of the better ad deals you can get. But some dickhead refreshing your webpage over and over again will cause Google to look at you like you're someone trying to game the system and pull you from their program pretty quickly until you can prove otherwise.

An LP group from a number of years ago lost their Google Adsense license because of a huge spike in activity on their website.

The reason for the spike? They actually launched their site. They had the site up and running for some amount of time before that, but didn't advertise it until it was good and ready.

dads_work_files
May 14, 2008

important_document.avi

Turtlicious posted:

Is there legit appeal in watching people get brutally victimized?

Uh yeah,

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I keep seeing this Cisco ad about how you can use their services to work from anywhere, with a woman and a man communicating over a video chat across the world. This sounds reasonable, but the conversation consists of her impatiently telling the man that they needed a job done the day before, and then sighing at his explanation before saying "Alright then. Have a great Monday." He responds "It's Tuesday here, but thank you."

It's hard to explain without the video but the message I get from it is "Cisco: passive-aggressively hate your coworkers from anywhere."

Build-a-Boar
Feb 11, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Cleretic posted:

An LP group from a number of years ago lost their Google Adsense license because of a huge spike in activity on their website.

The reason for the spike? They actually launched their site. They had the site up and running for some amount of time before that, but didn't advertise it until it was good and ready.

WOW. Which LP group was this?

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Sleeveless posted:

I love adblock just because watching internet marketing people flail impotently, swearing that they're totally going to get adblocker software declared illegal because mumble mumble and then they'll get to keep their cushy SEO jobs forever, is funny as gently caress.

I love this, because it's one of the most... Big Business (TM) ways to go about it. Obviously, not every site can go "Hey, we saw you're blocking the ads. Could you... Not? I know, they suck, but they help keep LParchive/dongs.org/swap-avi-archive.net running, so please?", but I'm sure that a lot of people are sympathetic to that kind of message (I know that the first thing I did when switching to uBlock was to whitelist LParchive, even though I don't visit all that often).

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Serperoth posted:

I love this, because it's one of the most... Big Business (TM) ways to go about it. Obviously, not every site can go "Hey, we saw you're blocking the ads. Could you... Not? I know, they suck, but they help keep LParchive/dongs.org/swap-avi-archive.net running, so please?", but I'm sure that a lot of people are sympathetic to that kind of message (I know that the first thing I did when switching to uBlock was to whitelist LParchive, even though I don't visit all that often).

Seriously, it's so delicious.

quote:

I can't quite believe I'm saying this, but how about suing the ad blockers out of existence?

...the ad blockers "are interfering with websites' ability to display all the pixels that are part of that website; arguably there's some sort of law that prohibits that." Mr. Moore was careful to add that he's "not by any means a lawyer, but there is work being done to explore whether in fact that may be the case."

I'm not a lawyer either, but I don't think it's a stretch at all to make some sort of case. Sorry ad blockers, I assume you mean well and you have a point about page-load times and ads junked up with tracking tools and Trojan horses and the like. But theft is still theft, even if it's dressed up as some sort of digital Robin Hood act. You're not just interfering with pixels, you're interfering with business.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Henchman of Santa posted:

I keep seeing this Cisco ad about how you can use their services to work from anywhere, with a woman and a man communicating over a video chat across the world. This sounds reasonable, but the conversation consists of her impatiently telling the man that they needed a job done the day before, and then sighing at his explanation before saying "Alright then. Have a great Monday." He responds "It's Tuesday here, but thank you."

It's hard to explain without the video but the message I get from it is "Cisco: passive-aggressively hate your coworkers from anywhere."

That ad sounds awesome. Somebody in that agency has dealt with one too many terrible project managers.

TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like YouTube Red is either a really clever name choice or a really hilariously bad one. Nobody familiar with RedTube isn't going to make that connection.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

TheKennedys posted:

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like YouTube Red is either a really clever name choice or a really hilariously bad one. Nobody familiar with RedTube isn't going to make that connection.
It's an odd choice to begin with. "Red" isn't really associated with the premium or otherwise better version of something, as for example "gold" would be.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Strudel Man posted:

It's an odd choice to begin with. "Red" isn't really associated with the premium or otherwise better version of something, as for example "gold" would be.

Red is YouTube's color. It's in the logo and it's the color of everything from the play button to the progress bar to the "Subscribe" button.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Strudel Man posted:

It's an odd choice to begin with. "Red" isn't really associated with the premium or otherwise better version of something, as for example "gold" would be.

Red carpet. Red letter day.

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

It just makes me think of Kamel Reds, and I'm not even a smoker.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

TheKennedys posted:

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like YouTube Red is either a really clever name choice or a really hilariously bad one. Nobody familiar with RedTube isn't going to make that connection.

I think of that every time I see it somewhere. Always causes me a brief moment of confusion like, wow, we're at that point in the future now where we can just talk about watching porn like we talk about watching TV shows? Because it's always in some chill context like "Now you can watch all your favorites ad-free on Youtube Red."

Horrible Smutbeast
Sep 2, 2011

Serperoth posted:

I love this, because it's one of the most... Big Business (TM) ways to go about it. Obviously, not every site can go "Hey, we saw you're blocking the ads. Could you... Not? I know, they suck, but they help keep LParchive/dongs.org/swap-avi-archive.net running, so please?", but I'm sure that a lot of people are sympathetic to that kind of message (I know that the first thing I did when switching to uBlock was to whitelist LParchive, even though I don't visit all that often).

One site had little images under their ads that said that, and I felt bad so I unblocked them. Within loading the page one more time I had 2 full screen pop ups, an autoplay unmuted video ad and a bunch of lovely flashing colour ones. Never trust advertising, ever.

stringball
Mar 17, 2009

SA has had its share of Bad Ads too and took them quite a while to fix once iirc

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

dog days are over posted:

WOW. Which LP group was this?

That was the Freelance Astronauts, who were big in the subforum at the time. Don't remember exactly when that was.

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Sleeveless posted:

Red is YouTube's color. It's in the logo and it's the color of everything from the play button to the progress bar to the "Subscribe" button.
Yes, that's how it normally looks.

For every one who has the normal content, who did not pay for anything special.

If YT's main colour was green and the pay-service was YT RED then I'd get it, but "pay money to have YT now in red" just doesn't ring true, you know?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I don't know why they don't make it more clear that Youtube Red also includes the subscription to Google Music. It's not a bad deal if you plan to use both. They should make a bigger thing about it in the ads.

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Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Cleretic posted:

An LP group from a number of years ago lost their Google Adsense license because of a huge spike in activity on their website.

The reason for the spike? They actually launched their site. They had the site up and running for some amount of time before that, but didn't advertise it until it was good and ready.
I was apart of a gaming group that made a side forum. The guy running their site lost his Adsense because.... we clicked on the Adsense links because they were adverting discount games (Before it was common to have sites that sold codes for Steam). Google said there was TOO MANY CLICKS THEREFORE YOU ARE FAKING CLICKS FOR MONEY.
I only really lost like, barely even 4 buck a month but still, gently caress Adsense.

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