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namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

JVNO posted:

I live in 125 Wellington under Greenwin management... The renovations are nice but it's very much a lipstick-on-a-pig situation. Cockroaches are somewhat of a guarantee and you can probably count on a bedbug issue at least once.

Everyone wants to live here you have the mountains, the view, the

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Cultural Imperial posted:

You know there's a housing bubble when people want to live in Hamilton

I live in Brantford. It's the armpit of SW Ontario.

I once bartended a wedding where, to get the couple to kiss, guests had to go to the podium and imitate a motorcycle revving. One dude went up and said, "An oldie but a goodie: run-nigga-nigga-nigga."

I could go on ad nauseum as to how much this town sucks (anyone I knew in high school that had a future moved out as soon as they could), but I'd rather not clog up this thread.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:06

PoizenJam: Dec 2, 2006; Damn!!!
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CLAM DOWN posted:

Sounds like such a lovely place to live, I'm jealous.

My frame of reference for what's acceptable is coloured by never having lived in a place where either of those species existed (Both cockroaches and bedbugs are nearly unheard of in NL). My understanding is cockroaches are basically a given in a downtown core, while bedbugs are much less acceptable.

I'm a really clean person and live on the top floor so I haven't personally had a problem with bugs of either kind.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:16

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

JVNO posted:

. My understanding is cockroaches are basically a given in a downtown core, while bedbugs are much less acceptable.

I've lived in various "downtown cores" and cannot fathom how you find roaches acceptable.......

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:21

PoizenJam: Dec 2, 2006; Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!

Hence the preface to the post that I don't particularly know what to expect/what's acceptable since prior to moving to Southern Ontario I had never so much as seen a cockroach or bed bug.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:25

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

CLAM DOWN posted:

I've lived in various "downtown cores" and cannot fathom how you find roaches acceptable.......

No such problems in Calgary or Montreal in my experience.

However, according to Twitter, we did have a guy going for a stroll bare-rear end naked in -8 degree weather. :nws:

https://twitter.com/chrisdoyle78/status/701116211967324160 :nws:

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:28

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

PT6A posted:

No such problems in Calgary or Montreal in my experience.

However, according to Twitter, we did have a guy going for a stroll bare-rear end naked in -8 degree weather. https://twitter.com/chrisdoyle78/status/701116211967324160

Amazing how Calgary is just following behind trends Montr�al set a year ago.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:33

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

PT6A posted:

No such problems in Calgary or Montreal in my experience.

However, according to Twitter, we did have a guy going for a stroll bare-rear end naked in -8 degree weather. https://twitter.com/chrisdoyle78/status/701116211967324160

Whelp, that's probably more effective than kerosene for killing crab lice.

Like the comment about how he's using the crosswalk. So very, very Canadian.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:34

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Hexigrammus posted:

Whelp, that's probably more effective than kerosene for killing crab lice.

Like the comment about how he's using the crosswalk. So very, very Canadian.

Hey, when you're going for a walk with your twig and berries swinging in the breeze, safety has to be priority number one!

# ? Feb 20, 2016 20:37

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

I always mix up Hamilton and Kingston.

I've never been to Hamilton but Kingston was the only place in Canada I've ever been where we locked the car doors while waiting for another friend to get cash from the bank because it looked so incredibly sketchy.

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Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Feb 20, 2016 21:39

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

JVNO posted:

Hence the preface to the post that I don't particularly know what to expect/what's acceptable since prior to moving to Southern Ontario I had never so much as seen a cockroach or bed bug.

I'm living in downtown Toronto right now and I have seen neither. Maybe I need to downgrade my living situation to get the authentic Big City Experience.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 21:53

HookShot: Dec 26, 2005

I honestly have no idea. We just drove around until we found a BMO.

This was in like 2007 though, a while back. Things have probably changed.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Sep 9, 2022

# ? Feb 20, 2016 21:58

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

You have every right to be terrified with all the rmc rapists milling around

# ? Feb 20, 2016 22:05

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Hamilton is good place to live and has a good live music scene. 10/10 would live in Hamilton again. People like to poo poo on it because Ontarians are the biggest NIMBYs ever and have a superiority complex where they are believe they are too good to live in a place with unsightly manufacturing for essential products like steel. "Eeeeewww, I have to look at a steel plant, gross! What is this building I'm sitting in made out of again? Well, nevermind."

Speaking of NIMBY's a windfarm got approved 3 kilometre from a local airpot in my area and our MPP is on the case (to protect the inalienable human right of rich retirees to fly their private planes]!

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http://www.theenterprisebulletin.com/2016/02/11/wind-farm-gets-ministry-approval

CLEARVIEW TWP. � Shock waves are rippling through the region following news that the Ministry of Environment and Climate Change has given the green light to allow the construction of eight 137-metre wind turbines east of Stayner.

�It�s absolutely outrageous that the (Premier) Kathleen Wynne government would approve this. All of us are in shock, those that fought against this,� said Simcoe-Grey MPP Jim Wilson.

The wpd Canada Fairview Wind Project will be constructed on land south and north of County Road 91. According to Transport Canada, the end of the Collingwood Regional Airport runway is 3.1 and 3.2 kilometres away two of the northern turbines.

Officials at the airport, which is owned by the Town on Collingwood on 158 hectares (392 acres) in Clearview, have fought the project from the start, saying turbine height will affect flight paths and pose a danger to pilots in inclement weather.

�If there is a death of someone running into one of these turbines, I�m going to hold Kathleen Wynne accountable,� Wilson said.

Quoting former Collingwood Regional Airport board chairman Charlie Tatham, Wilson said it�s not if someone will get killed, it�s when.

�I agree with that sentiment," Wilson said. "It�s a pilot safety and public safety issue.�

Collingwood Regional Airport board chairman Mike Edwards called the news "unfathomable.

"I�m really shocked," he said. "I can�t believe they would make a decision like that from the information we presented from a safety stand point and from an economic impact standpoint. It boggles my mind."

Airport board officials have said they are not against wind turbines and green energy, but the board is against wind turbines near airports, where student pilots train and, in Collingwood�s case, the area is often beset by lake-effect rain, snow and fog, making for challenging flying conditions without the turbines, Edwards said.

The airport submitted its safety concerns to the ministry long ago.

In January, the Town of Collingwood and Clearview Township jointly submitted an economic impact study showing the negative effects the wind turbines would have both on airport safety and to the region from the loss of business at the proposed Clearview Aviation Business Park, to be built immediately east of the airport.

�It was an excellent study that was very factual and explained the reasons why the wind turbines should not be located in our air space,� Edwards said.

The ministry awarded the Renewable Energy Approval (REA) application Thursday, a day before a Feb. 12 court case between wpd Canada and the ministry. Wpd Canada � which is based in Mississauga and owned by a German company that builds green-energy projects in 18 countries around the world � was taking the government to court because it submitted its REA in September 2012 and had expected a decision by 2015.

Clearview fought and attained intervenor status at the case (which is cancelled) to protest the wind turbines.

�I am extremely disappointed that the ministry of environment has gone ahead in light of all the work we�ve done to show the side effects and how it will impact economic development in Clearview and the County of Simcoe,� said Clearview Mayor Chris Vanderkruys.

�It�s a project that the township was clearly against," he added. "The provincial government doesn�t listen at all. They do what they want. The fact that we had to fight for intervenor status is crazy.

�However, this happened between wpd and the government, they didn�t include us at all,� the mayor added.

Shortly after the approval was granted, wpd Canada issued a press release stating, �We are pleased the ministry has approved the Fairview project. We�re hopeful we can begin construction in relatively short order, using competitively price local labour and services as much as possible,� wrote company spokesman Kevin Surette.

Once constructed, Fairview will feed an estimated 40 million kilowatt hours annually into the local electricity grid, equivalent to the average annual power use of 2,276 homes.

The project has been approved, �subject to prescriptive conditions designed to ensure the safety of pilots who may fly into the Collingwood Regional Airport or Stayner Airfield,� the company stated, adding regulations imposed by NAV Canada, Transport Canada and the ministry will be implemented as required. Approval of the project also includes conditions concerning noise and the environment.

The Fairview project will be built on land owned by farmers John and Andrew Beattie.

In a statement sent to local officials and media Thursday afternoon, they wrote that airport industrial growth should go to the business park located near the Lake Simcoe Regional Airport in Oro-Medonte Township, north of Barrie, rather than take up agricultural land adjacent to the Collingwood airport.

Land zoned agricultural and environmental will have to be rezoned and an Official Plan amendment would have to passed by the County of Simcoe; the county, in following the Growth Plan for the Greater Horseshoe within the Places to Grow Act, will find that the business park plans don�t fit within those polices, they wrote.

�In fact, we have been told that such a zoning application would be dead in the water and could not stand up to an Ontario Municipal Board appeal if for some reason Simcoe approved it," read the statement.

�The growth plan aims to, among other things, protect farmland. The previous council was on record as supporting agriculture, but it�s unclear to us how the present council�s intention to remove (89 hectares) of agricultural land achieves this,� they added in the statement.

Vanderkruys said the 107-hectare aviation park land has been in the Official Plan for industrial-related land for about 10 years and that approximately 12 hectares of the land is not agricultural but environmental.

http://www.theenterprisebulletin.com/2016/02/11/wind-farm-gets-ministry-approval

"If someone flies their private plane into a 500 foot wind turbine 3 kilometres away, I'm holding Kathleen Wynne personally responsible for supporting renewable energy!" :argh:

peter banana fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Feb 20, 2016

# ? Feb 20, 2016 22:08

less than three: Aug 9, 2007; Fallen Rib

peter banana posted:

Hamilton is good place to live and has a good live music scene. 10/10 would live in Hamilton again. People like to poo poo on it because Ontarians are the biggest NIMBYs ever and have a superiority complex where they are believe they are too good to live in a place with unsightly manufacturing for essential products like steel. "Eeeeewww, I have to look at a steel plant, gross! What is this building I'm sitting in made out of again? Well, nevermind."

Speaking of NIMBY's a windfarm got approved 3 kilometre from a local airpot in my area and our MPP is on the case (to protect the inalienable human right of rich retirees to fly their private planes]!

http://www.theenterprisebulletin.com/2016/02/11/wind-farm-gets-ministry-approval

"If someone flies their private plane into a 500 foot wind turbine 3 kilometres away, I'm holding Kathleen Wynne personally responsible for supporting renewable energy!"

I appreciate that Sun Media uses the same CMS for all their sites, so even if it's not on one of their big properties you still know it's them and what you're getting in to.

# ? Feb 20, 2016 22:42

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

lol get the gently caress outta here

Anything built by the copps family if loving garbage

# ? Feb 21, 2016 00:13

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

I wouldn't trade living in Hamilton for any of the other dead cities in south western Ontario.

The restaurant scene is excellent along James St N. Lots of good holes in the wall along Main St, some okay ones on Locke St. Plenty of good pubs on Augusta St. Basically, west Hamilton is nice. Westdale is a student ghetto, east Hamilton is a dump and Hamilton mountain is a souless garbage surburb.

cowofwar fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 25, 2017

# ? Feb 21, 2016 02:45

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

hahaha hamilton 'restaurant scene'

lol gently caress off

# ? Feb 21, 2016 04:58

BattleMaster: Aug 14, 2000

I've been to some pretty dumpy podunks and Hamilton was definitely the most depressing garbage-rear end municipality I've ever seen. I'm having a hard time believing that in the intervening years it has developed a scene other than closed-down shops and pawn shops stocked with obviously-stolen goods.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 05:55

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

I don't understand what you want from millions of people being crammed onto land.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 06:42

T8R: Aug 9, 2005; Yes, I would like some tea!

gently caress ontario and your poo poo rear end slums

i've never seen a one single cockroach in my life

seriously what in the name of gently caress

# ? Feb 21, 2016 08:19

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Hey Calgary, are you still a shithole filled with garbage people? Let's check...

http://www.660news.com/2016/02/21/se-school-once-again-target-of-hate-filled-graffiti/

Yep!

I don't know if it has to do with the downturn, but a lot of people in this city really have gone completely out of their loving minds.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 16:04

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

It's not a bad thing that Canadians are starving in the street. :shrug:

# ? Feb 21, 2016 16:25

Martian Manfucker: Dec 27, 2012; misandry is real

Gentrification of the downtown in Hamilton, particularly James St. North has made it a pretty happening place for young adults. It's a nice little city.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 16:58

cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

nozh posted:

Gentrification of the downtown in Hamilton, particularly James St. North has made it a pretty happening place for young adults. It's a nice little city.

No, CI and others with decade old assessments of Hamilton have spoken!

# ? Feb 21, 2016 17:03

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

The one big thing that Hamilton has going for it is that the Hammer is a better nickname than the 6 or T Dot or T.O. or Hogtown

# ? Feb 21, 2016 17:57

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Pinterest Mom posted:

I didn't know this about Daniel Johnson: former PLQ Premier, Couillard's campaign manager during the last election, head of the transition team, and informal advisor since, is also on Bombardier's board.

Both Johnson and the Premier's office deny there's a conflict of interest there.

Looks like the Johnson family hasn't finished loving with Quebec yet.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 18:01

Mad Hamish: Jun 15, 2008; WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Holy hell , how many Hamilton goons do we have here? Is there a meet up thread?

Yeah the place has its problems, but really if several members of the city council were forcibly retired those would go away. Terry Whitehead :bahgawd:

# ? Feb 21, 2016 18:02

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

*Opens thread, reads through a couple pages of trite cynicism and low content bitching about Hamilton, closes thread again*

# ? Feb 21, 2016 18:12

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Helsing posted:

*Opens thread, reads through a couple pages of trite cynicism and low content bitching about Hamilton, closes thread again*

# ? Feb 21, 2016 18:21

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Here's a hot take:

Winnipeg just proved itself again of being the most racist cities in Canada after a 17 year old was found dead last night. I believe it's truly impressive that the entire city seemed to band together in the search for him and it's sad that he was found dead and not alive, RIP.

This is the same city that couldn't give more than two shits when an indigenous teen goes missing or its reveals how corrupt CPS is in this province. When 1 white kid from a middle class neighbourhood, who was connected to the drug trade go missing every goes to arms.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 19:13

Mad Hamish: Jun 15, 2008; WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Helsing posted:

*Opens thread, reads through a couple pages of trite cynicism and low content bitching about Hamilton, closes thread again*

Hey man, I legitimately love living here, it can just be intensely frustrating when withered old white men who hate the non-rich block sensible civic planning because it would interrupt the blowjob they're getting from construction companies.

I just want Hamilton to have nice things!

# ? Feb 21, 2016 20:57

Violet_Sky: Dec 5, 2011; Fun Shoe

DariusLikewise posted:

Here's a hot take:

Winnipeg just proved itself again of being the most racist cities in Canada after a 17 year old was found dead last night. I believe it's truly impressive that the entire city seemed to band together in the search for him and it's sad that he was found dead and not alive, RIP.

This is the same city that couldn't give more than two shits when an indigenous teen goes missing or its reveals how corrupt CPS is in this province. When 1 white kid from a middle class neighbourhood, who was connected to the drug trade go missing every goes to arms.

Racism is alive and well. :smith:

# ? Feb 21, 2016 21:02

Hexigrammus: May 22, 2006; Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Violet_Sky posted:

Racism is alive and well.

Yep. A fine Canadian Old Stock tradition.

Just reading some local history - one of the area bands went from using the entire bay they were in to being corralled on 200 acres at the mouth of the bay. That's down to 160 acres now, including the chunk lost to the main highway.

Back in the day fishermen of whatever race would leave the south coast in May, head north and spend several months fishing their way south as the various salmon runs came in. The Nanoose chief and his fellow fishermen arrived home to find a highway had been run through the back of their land, cutting the reserve in two. No consultation, no forewarning, just bulldozers arriving one morning.

I'm grateful they never blockaded the highway when I had to commute on it, especially given that there are no alternative routes other than private gated resource roads. Inconvenient Indian indeed.

# ? Feb 21, 2016 23:15

PoizenJam: Dec 2, 2006; Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!

Mad Hamish posted:

Hey man, I legitimately love living here, it can just be intensely frustrating when withered old white men who hate the non-rich block sensible civic planning because it would interrupt the blowjob they're getting from construction companies.

I just want Hamilton to have nice things!

Despite grievances I may have with Greenwin Property Management in particular (as noted earlier), I really do love this city. The city has improved quite a bit from the nigh-unsalvageable shithole it was when I first visited the place a dozen years ago or so.

And McMaster campus is quite a nice place to work.

Mad Hamish posted:

Holy hell , how many Hamilton goons do we have here? Is there a meet up thread?

Indeed it seems there is- though it seems low activity as of late; Hamilton Goonmeet thread

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Feb 22, 2016

# ? Feb 22, 2016 01:42

Geoid: Oct 18, 2005; Just Add Water

DariusLikewise posted:

Here's a hot take:

Winnipeg just proved itself again of being the most racist cities in Canada after a 17 year old was found dead last night. I believe it's truly impressive that the entire city seemed to band together in the search for him and it's sad that he was found dead and not alive, RIP.

This is the same city that couldn't give more than two shits when an indigenous teen goes missing or its reveals how corrupt CPS is in this province. When 1 white kid from a middle class neighbourhood, who was connected to the drug trade go missing every goes to arms.

He likely sold coke, so he was the 'right kind of drug dealer'.

# ? Feb 22, 2016 03:22

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/we-keep-beating-our-oil-industry-with-a-stick-and-nobody-wants-to-say-enough-is-enough

quote:

�We keep beating our oil industry with a stick, and nobody wants to say enough is enough�

Craig Copeland, the mayor of Cold Lake, can�t understand why so many Canadian politicians are unmoved by the devastation of Alberta oil centres like his own.

Located in northeastern Alberta on the idyllic lake that inspired its name, Cold Lake is one of Alberta�s largest oilsands hubs. It sits on top of many of the sweet spots of the Athabasca deposits and is surrounded by a cluster of steam-assisted gravity drainage operations by oil majors such as Imperial Oil Ltd., Cenovus Energy Inc., Husky Energy Inc., Devon Energy Corp. and Canadian Natural Resources Ltd.

Together, they produce up to 500,000 barrels a day, making it one of Canada�s top value-creating communities. You won�t find a prouder one.

Cold Lake is also a big Canadian Air Force town and the home of its fighter pilot training program, but its young population has been hard hit by the postponement of a long list of oilsands projects during the past year as companies roll back investment to cope with the oil price collapse.

Those projects were supposed to be the sector�s future because they use more advanced technology than traditional mining operations do. Instead, they fell as hard as the price of oil. Copeland estimates 1,000 out of the 5,000 people working directly in the oil industry are out of work in the 40,000-resident Lakeland area, but that doesn�t include the indirect job losses.

Businesses that provide services to oil companies � many of them owned by the area�s large aboriginal population � are hurting. Construction workers from across Canada are being sent home. Restaurants and hotels continue to empty.

According to StatsCan, the unemployment rate in Wood Buffalo/Cold Lake, where most oilsands projects are based, shot up to nine per cent in January, from 8.6 per cent in December and 5.4 per cent a year ago. Before that, any talk about labour was about shortages.

�There is a noticeable quietness,� Copeland said. �There was a time in 2012/2014 when you couldn�t get a room in Cold Lake. Now parking lots are vacant and you can see the difference.�

The blows started coming with the crash in oil prices orchestrated by Saudi Arabia in late 2014 to claw back market share from higher-cost producers in the United States and Canada.

Today, Copeland worries more about the long term. The oilsands� growth story has lost traction due to lack of pipeline capacity and climate-change policy � and that�s a Made in Canada problem.

Without market access and the right business conditions, oilsands production could freeze at current levels, he said, and so would the exploration work, construction projects, support services, and retail, transportation and hospitality jobs that fueled the area�s � and Canada�s � economy.

�That conversation isn�t talked about enough,� he said. �And it�s all linked to the pipes. There has to be a market for your oil to go to.�

Pipelines to Canada�s West and East Coasts, and to the U.S. Gulf Coast, have stalled. The Alberta government is working on implementing a 100-megatonne-a-year cap on greenhouse-gas emissions for the oilsands industry, up from about 70 today.

Such a cap would hold back many planned projects. The federal government, meanwhile, is working on its own plan, and is reforming energy regulation to include a climate-change test on pipelines and the oil projects that feed them.

Copeland�s harshest criticism is for the environmental movement, which he said has never bothered to find out about the practices of the oil industry in his area, preferring instead to blindly organize protests when it did pay a visit.

Anybody who has been to oil facilities can see their minimal land disturbance, their preoccupation with following regulations, their fear of harming the environment, he said.

�We keep beating our oil industry with a stick, and nobody wants to stand up and say, �Enough is enough. Environmentalists, pack up your bags and deal with your own neighbourhoods,�� said Copeland, who has a background in fish and wildlife management and runs the Cold Lake Fish Hatchery.

�We have allowed misinformation, and guys like Neil Young and David Suzuki, to dictate the agenda in Alberta. We have got to get it back, and the only way is for federal and provincial politicians to say, �We are building pipe. Let�s go.��

A lack of growth doesn�t mean production will be shut in. Oilsands operations will continue to produce, just as they have throughout the downturn, because investments have already been made. But it also means Canada will continue to get a lot of its oil from unsavoury regimes such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, instead of hard-working towns like Cold Lake.

According to a labour demand outlook report made public this week by Petroleum Labour Market Information, Canada�s oilsands sector is shifting from growth and expansion to improving the reliability and performance of current operations.

It projects demand for onsite construction workers will be 92-per-cent lower by 2018 � representing nearly 20,000 fewer jobs � compared to 2014 projections. Operations jobs are expected to increase modestly, to about 35,000 in 2018, but that is still thousands short of previous expectations.

Cold Lake grew from an influx of largely young workers from all over Canada, lured by high-paying oil jobs and great recreation facilities funded by oil companies. Many bought homes, started families and intended to stay for the long term � eight per cent of its population is four years old or younger.

Copeland notes his counterparts in Quebec and British Columbia who criticize pipelines aren�t talking about why many of their young, unable to get jobs at home, moved to his community for work. The last big project built nearby, Imperial�s Nabiye, employed 1,500 construction workers, he said. Of those, 90 per cent were tradesmen from across Canada, including big groups from Quebec and Vancouver Island.

It�s unlikely, he points out, that newer industries such as technology will relocate to fill the void if the oil patch dries up. �If we let the environmentalists win, where do these young people go for work?� he asks.

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# ? Feb 22, 2016 04:54

jsoh: Mar 24, 2007; O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight

"Anybody who has been to oil facilities can see their minimal land disturbance, their preoccupation with following regulations, their fear of harming the environment, he said."

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# ? Feb 22, 2016 05:06

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 18:06

Drunk Canuck: Jan 9, 2010; Robots ruin all the fun of a good adventure.

Oh those young people in need of employment, always incapable of transferring skills and the what not. Thanks Big Oil.

# ? Feb 22, 2016 05:17

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