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[quote="The Kins" post=""456498319"] And on the other side of the fence:  [/quote] Tut no MacOS 8/9, that was the prettiest.
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The gently caress is that OS X 10.7 scrollbar? It's a line... and a barely visible one at that.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:05
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The Kins posted:This was part of a series Sierra did of English translations/ports of games that a company called Game Arts developed for those weird incompatible Japanese computers. PC games had such a weird color palette
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Feb 20, 2016 15:08
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Robnoxious posted:The gently caress is that OS X 10.7 scrollbar? The scrollbar handle is proportional to the available content beyond the dimensions of the screen. If there isn't a lot of content available below the bar is bigger. If there is a ton, it's smaller. And it doesn't show up at all unless you mouse over the area or use a scroll gesture. It sounds like it wouldn't work well by my description but it actually does work well in practice.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:10
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GutBomb posted:It sounds like it wouldn't work well by my description but it actually does work well in practice. As with a lot of Apple products, I've found
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Feb 20, 2016 15:15
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I totally remember those. All sorts of random electronics, including stereo equipment if memory serves. DAK is still around, and I just bought a knockoff GoPro camera from them for $100 which turned out to be well worth the money. It's a pretty drat capable little device. http://www.dak.com/ JS&A was another DAK like retailer that appears to be long gone. Here's some of their 1978 catalog: http://www.ballyalley.com/ads_and_catalogs/jsa/jsa_catalog_%281978%29_color.pdf I had no idea Bally made a computer, although now that I think about it, with the advent of heavily computerized pinball machines, it makes perfect sense. JS&A's "bone fone" was the coolest device that I never had the opportunity to try, though: 
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Feb 20, 2016 15:15
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With Brown Note(tm) technology.
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Feb 20, 2016 15:17
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The scrollbar in OSX is mostly just a visual indicator now, you're not supposed to use it to start scrolling. Everyone has either a scrollwheel or a touchpad that supports two-finger scrolling so you don't have to mouse your pointer to scroll. You can still grab it if you absolutely want to but I doubt many people do
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Feb 20, 2016 15:18
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BlankIsBeautiful posted:JS&A's "bone fone" was the coolest device that I never had the opportunity to try, though: I haven't thought of that dumb thing in years. Robnoxious has a new favorite as of 16:03 on Feb 20, 2016 |
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Feb 20, 2016 15:59
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The_Franz posted:Oh yes, and since Apple built a whole advertising campaign around the idea that "Macs don't crash" they had no reset button on them. When they did crash, and they crashed a lot, you had to crawl under the desk and pull the plug because the power button was a soft button and didn't work if the whole thing was frozen. I remember using my uncle's brand new iMac and having that piece of garbage crash just from scrolling down a web page. Ejecting a CD on those things was basically rolling the dice too, even into the early OSX years.
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Feb 20, 2016 16:12
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Robnoxious posted:The gently caress is that OS X 10.7 scrollbar? It has a disappearing scroll bar. When you use it it reappears, and it looks more or less like how the 2007 one looks. Note that if you have a mouse plugged in it will always be visible.
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Feb 20, 2016 17:00
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Did DAK sell stuff under its own label? The logo is very familiar, but I'm not sure what we had from there. We never got into ham radio, but my dad was a big stereo nerd, so maybe something in that realm.
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Feb 20, 2016 17:46
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I'm Crap posted:you're overstating it a little. i used nothing but macs up until i was about 18 and, apart from certain notorious models with bad/defective hardware, they didn't completely crash in a way that you couldn't just force quit or ctrl-command-power button your way out of very often, if at all. and if you held down the power button on an imac it would switch itself off no matter how crashed it was, what is this crawling around under the desk business You're both right - some 6800 and PowerPC macs had soft power-off buttons and/or keyboard on-off controls(which loving suck when a crashhappy OS is installed), and others have a nice hardware switch that kills everything easily. I have a haphazard collection of everything from a Centris '040 Nubus machine to an SE/30 to several pizza box LC's and a PowerTower clone and once you move out of early System 7, MacOS gets pretty sketchy. It's actually kind of amazing to me that Apple recovered from the product-line hell of the mid-late Nineties.
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Feb 20, 2016 21:07
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Years ago there was a lollipop radio you could buy that vibrated the stick/candy on your teeth you'd literally hear music in your head from FM transmissions. It even came with a non-candy paddle so you could still get the effect without needing to have candy resting in your mouth all the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CablPKv_9IQ JediTalentAgent has a new favorite as of 22:49 on Feb 20, 2016 |
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Feb 20, 2016 22:43
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meant to post this a while back when we were talking about TI graphing calculators but I finally remembered the name of the game: Penguins. a really really difficult sidescroller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARL7EIQkI_A i remember mostly trying to beat that and never getting very far. also drug wars.
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Feb 20, 2016 23:20
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 I have just started replaying this. While controls need some getting used to, the game has aged rather well. Tex is the best.
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Feb 20, 2016 23:27
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I'm Crap posted:you're overstating it a little. i used nothing but macs up until i was about 18 and, apart from certain notorious models with bad/defective hardware, they didn't completely crash in a way that you couldn't just force quit or ctrl-command-power button your way out of very often, if at all. and if you held down the power button on an imac it would switch itself off no matter how crashed it was, what is this crawling around under the desk business Sorry, I used them in several pro environments and when you have extensions up the wazoo and all your publishing stuff deep in the guts of everything (ATM anyone?) that poo poo hard locked all the time. OS8.x was terrible, 9 was a house of cards.
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Feb 21, 2016 00:07
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a happy snowman posted:Sorry, I used them in several pro environments and when you have extensions up the wazoo and all your publishing stuff deep in the guts of everything (ATM anyone?) that poo poo hard locked all the time. OS8.x was terrible, 9 was a house of cards.  (though amusingly he was clearly using Word on XP  )
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Feb 21, 2016 00:56
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I recall trying to edit in Premier on OS9 back in around 2003, the thing would just hard lock all the time making it near impossible to get work done. Or as we say; "Jesus saves before rendering." A nice catalouge of various GUIs which sadly hasn't been updated since 2006. Speaking of GUI ideas that died: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1JwfgBv5bg Project Looking Glass was a concept OS developed in 2003 by Sun which used fancy 3D windows. It's an interesting curiosity in seeing if 3D elements could be used as a viable interface and to their credit they try to keep things as functional as possible. The dock bar is interesting as Apple adopted that look for theirs soon after.
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Feb 21, 2016 00:59
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Here's another entry from the Apple Hall of Shame: the PowerMac 6100. Bear in mind that: a) The power button powered off the machine immediately b) Mac floppy drives were 100% software-controlled; there was no hardware eject button. you ejected a disk by dragging it to the trash (or using a paperclip in the hole in an emergency) c) Frequently moving between Mac and PC camps meant that it was easy to forget both a) and b) 
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Feb 21, 2016 01:01
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Data Graham posted:Here's another entry from the Apple Hall of Shame: the PowerMac 6100. Data Graham posted:Here's another entry from the Apple Hall of Shame: the PowerMac 6100. Eh, the 6100 wasn't -that- bad for 1994 or whenever it came out - still used SCSI, at least, and had an AAU(sic) port for networking. It's big failure was using system memory for graphics and as a result it was limited to like 800x600 at thousands of colors, and was dog-slow at screen refreshing. You -could- run an add-on video card with it, if you had a weird 90 degree adaptor, and there even was a G3 upgrade available through Sonnet, though it wasn't the most stable thing in the world
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Feb 21, 2016 01:22
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Sure, the machine itself is fine. Just, the placement of that power button... "Cool, let me just eject that floppy, and—AAAAAHH" E: The 7100 was the sweet spot in that range, price-and-power-wise. One of my dorm buddies had an 8100, he was rich or something
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Feb 21, 2016 01:28
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Didn't the old System 6/7/8/9 eject via you selecting the disk and going into Special -> Eject? Which was all the more confusing when that was removed with OSX and I spent ages with someone trying to work out how to eject their disk. Though OSX did keep the cool feature where you could go into a program's info view, click their icon, CMD-C open another program and CMD-V that icon across. You can also use images as well - it's handy for making custom icons if you use multiple external drives.
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Feb 21, 2016 01:35
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What would you Mac specialists say would be a good PowerPC Mac of the 90s? Imagine you had unlimited money.
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Feb 21, 2016 02:00
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There's a box for an Apple LC in my grandparent's basement. Knowing my grandpa and his borderline hoarded tendencies I have a hard time believing he just got rid of it. Yes, I'm excited about the possibility that there's a weak budget Apple down there someplace. Probably in perfect condition.
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Feb 21, 2016 02:01
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I just dug these out of my garage and putting them for sale locally.   Still a  moment with Commodore bringing these out years after the C64 was released and were pretty much inferior in every measurable way. The +4 had some built in software but was pretty much castrated compared to a C64 other than that. I don't think the C16 had anything going for it other than being "not as bad" as a Vic20.It would be utterly bizarre if something like that happened today.
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Feb 21, 2016 02:30
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Those arrow keys. 
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Feb 21, 2016 02:47
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Commodore had a bizarre talent for creating competition to their own product line but at the same time making it so bad that it wasn't even a real competition. E: The C16 didn't do that bad over here though, you could get quite a bunch of games. It was just not overall a very capable machine, even though it had some neat features like a 121 color palette. (no sprites though) It also was sold into the eastern-bloc states and has sort of a cult following over there. Police Automaton has a new favorite as of 02:58 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 02:53
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Data Graham posted:you ejected a disk by dragging it to the trash I have never understood what they were thinking with that one. I would have expected doing that to delete everything on the disk. It got a lot better when they made the garbage icon change to an eject icon when you click and drag something ejectable, but it's still not exactly obvious. Imagine if your house worked that way: "To go out the front door, simply chuck your keys into the garbage disposal. How did you not already think to try that?"
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Feb 21, 2016 02:59
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slidebite posted:I just dug these out of my garage and putting them for sale locally. Haha holy poo poo, my parents one day brought home a Commodore 16 that they had gotten for free for listening to an Amway pitch. (I forget the year, but it would have been when the machine was allegedly new/relevant. I remember playing Carmen Sandiego on the Apple //c+ we got next, in the same spot in the living room.) I played with it for about a week, filling the screen with weird upper-ASCII characters and attempting to draw pictures by plotting pixels in BASIC. After a few boots it somehow crapped itself and would only display garbage ever again. Data Graham has a new favorite as of 03:06 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 03:04
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Police Automaton posted:What would you Mac specialists say would be a good PowerPC Mac of the 90s? Imagine you had unlimited money. I would love to have my old 7600 (or its successor, the 7300) that I used at work in the mid-90s. It was a nice solid performer, and it had a case design that made my eyes pop: 
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Feb 21, 2016 03:14
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Before I got into Macs (around system 6) I was a commodore vic20 guy. My dad gave me his vic with when he got a c64 and I took to it immediately. He had a ton of books with it, one of them was "COMPUTE!'s First Book of VIC." The whole thing was printed in a futuristic font, the same one as that space monopoly board game Solarquest. It had a chapter all about the launch of the VIC and I remember reading that when I was 8 or 9 being fascinated. Here it is on the Internet archive https://archive.org/stream/COMPUTEs_First_Book_of_VIC_1982_COMPUTE_Publications#page/n9/mode/1up For other reading about these years: On the Edge - The Rise and Fall of Commodore Computers was pretty good, and then for a lot of apple 2 and IBM era stuff Fire in the Valley is also pretty good.
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Feb 21, 2016 03:18
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Police Automaton posted:What would you Mac specialists say would be a good PowerPC Mac of the 90s? Imagine you had unlimited money. I would just get my Performa 6200CD again, screw anything that's "objectively better"
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Feb 21, 2016 03:27
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Data Graham posted:I would love to have my old 7600 (or its successor, the 7300) that I used at work in the mid-90s. It was a nice solid performer, and it had a case design that made my eyes pop: Wow, you're right, my eyes actually popped.
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Feb 21, 2016 03:28
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Police Automaton posted:What would you Mac specialists say would be a good PowerPC Mac of the 90s? Imagine you had unlimited money. A Powerbook G3, especially the last in the series (technically from 2000, but some of the earlier models were good, too). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_G3
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Feb 21, 2016 03:47
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CaptainSarcastic posted:A Powerbook G3, especially the last in the series (technically from 2000, but some of the earlier models were good, too). How is backwards compatability among PowerPc Macs anway?
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Feb 21, 2016 04:06
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Casimir Radon posted:Dope Wars/Drugs Wars/Other names was a game that got ported to the TI calculator line at some point and was highly passed around. Used to have it on my Palm III and would play it during staff meetings at school.
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Feb 21, 2016 04:07
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Police Automaton posted:What would you Mac specialists say would be a good PowerPC Mac of the 90s? Imagine you had unlimited money. buy a Cube  ... and when the innards melt fill it full of fish or flowers
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Feb 21, 2016 04:10
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Casimir Radon posted:I can't jam a Mac version of a 3dfx card in that. Not great, really. I haven't spent much time with them since around 2009, and at that point I had OS 10.4 running successfully on a G3 Pismo. Even with Mac OS there is a limit to how high a version you can run - the absolute latest release of Mac OS that a PowerPC could run was OS 10.5, after that is Intel-only. I had some success running Linux on older Mac hardware, but there are some things which just won't really work, like Flash. Dual-processor G4 PowerMac towers were pretty nice and generally friendly to work on, but they used proprietary power supplies which made keeping them going more difficult.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Not great, really. I haven't spent much time with them since around 2009, and at that point I had OS 10.4 running successfully on a G3 Pismo. Even with Mac OS there is a limit to how high a version you can run - the absolute latest release of Mac OS that a PowerPC could run was OS 10.5, after that is Intel-only.
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