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Yesssssssssssssquote:Matt Walsh
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Feb 21, 2016 08:04
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Wish Walsh was right and conservatism was dead in the US. Though could the fact that Trump being pretty a-religious is a sign that even within Republicans, religion isn't as important as it was even in the last election?
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Feb 21, 2016 08:08
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twistedmentat posted:Wish Walsh was right and conservatism was dead in the US. It turns out that the GOP base really doesn't give a poo poo about abortion or religion they just want a strongman type to condemn the "other" and tear the system down.
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Feb 21, 2016 08:15
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Matt Walsh, making me want to vote for Donald loving Trump
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Feb 21, 2016 08:21
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one of the iron rules i've learned is that anyone who fears idiocracy is a portent of things to come and not just a comedy sci fi satire is deffo someone the film mocked
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Feb 21, 2016 08:29
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Popular Thug Drink posted:one of the iron rules i've learned is that anyone who fears idiocracy is a portent of things to come and not just a comedy sci fi satire is deffo someone the film mocked I'd be interested in seeing a venn diagram of a circle of people who think Idocracy is a real thing and how genetics works, and people who didn't realize Fight Club is a satire written by a gay Canadian
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Feb 21, 2016 08:36
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion: You Are Racist > They should be ashamed. I will pray for them
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Feb 21, 2016 08:41
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Epic High Five posted:I'd be interested in seeing a venn diagram of a circle of people who think Idocracy is a real thing and how genetics works, and people who didn't realize Fight Club is a satire written by a gay Canadian Wait, I thought the thing with Fight Club was that he was actually serious.
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Feb 21, 2016 08:52
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quote:who supported the murder of fully developed infant children Did Trump applaud someone capping some toddlers when I wasn't looking? He can't seriously be talking about abortion.
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Feb 21, 2016 08:54
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Chantilly Say posted:Wait, I thought the thing with Fight Club was that he was actually serious. Serious about what? Fight Club is all about mocking ridiculous, self-deluded ideas of masculinity
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Feb 21, 2016 09:06
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Aesop Poprock posted:Serious about what? Fight Club is all about mocking ridiculous, self-deluded ideas of masculinity Yeah, I thought I remembered reading that the satire wasn't intentional or something, that could be totally wrong
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Feb 21, 2016 09:08
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BlackIronHeart posted:Did Trump applaud someone capping some toddlers when I wasn't looking? He can't seriously be talking about abortion. He did advocate killing the families and children of terrorists at one point. Though I don't think that is what the author is referencing. They probably wrote infanticide fiction about PP. And I don't want to see trump vs Bernie. Bernie has the soft unscarred hide of a man who has never been attacked. It'd be Jeb all over again. With a bit of Rubio thrown in, "c'mon, that's your answer to everything."
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Feb 21, 2016 09:12
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Chantilly Say posted:Yeah, I thought I remembered reading that the satire wasn't intentional or something, that could be totally wrong Have you read that book or any of Palahnuik's others? I can't imagine anyone actually getting that idea from even a cursory view
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Feb 21, 2016 09:18
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The book was a satire. The film, viewed charitably, tried to have it both ways.
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Feb 21, 2016 09:20
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Discendo Vox posted:The book was a satire. The film, viewed charitably, tried to have it both ways. How so? I mean I know people who think the film is badass cause they didn't bother to read anything into it, but it shows what was intoxicating about Fight Club and the idea in general while still ending on a note of "this guy was a self-deluded fake and his entire group of followers are mindless losers"
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Feb 21, 2016 09:23
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Chantilly Say posted:Yeah, I thought I remembered reading that the satire wasn't intentional or something, that could be totally wrong You might be thinking of Starship Troopers, the book was supposed to be taken at face value but the film director made it a satire.
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Feb 21, 2016 09:47
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Dabir posted:You might be thinking of Starship Troopers, the book was supposed to be taken at face value but the film director made it a satire. Definitely not that one, but I can't remember now which book I'm thinking of. Oh well.
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Feb 21, 2016 09:52
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Aesop Poprock posted:How so? I mean I know people who think the film is badass cause they didn't bother to read anything into it, but it shows what was intoxicating about Fight Club and the idea in general while still ending on a note of "this guy was a self-deluded fake and his entire group of followers are mindless losers" The short version is that in the book, the cult's hypermacho destruction plan fails, and in the film, it succeeds and he gets the girl. Both works' status as satire are debated, but the film offers a sympathetic enough depiction of/reveling in its events that at a minimum a number of critics, like Ebert, thought it was trying to have and eat its cake. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Feb 21, 2016 |
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Feb 21, 2016 09:55
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Discendo Vox posted:The short version is that in the book, the cult's hypermacho destruction plan fails, and in the film, it succeeds and he gets the girl. Oh yeah the girl thing was dumb as hell but I didn't even remember that the plain failed. Shows how much I even remembered the source material I guess
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Feb 21, 2016 09:56
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Aesop Poprock posted:How so? I mean I know people who think the film is badass cause they didn't bother to read anything into it, but it shows what was intoxicating about Fight Club and the idea in general while still ending on a note of "this guy was a self-deluded fake and his entire group of followers are mindless losers" You mean the ending where he shoots his own face and shrugs it off like the ultimate badass and gets back together with his girlfriend as they watch him blow up skyscrapers?
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Feb 21, 2016 09:57
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Anybody who read the ending of the book and still thought it was serious needs to read a bit more critically in future The movie tried to turn it into something more of a psychological freakout twist thing and, while it worked and I enjoyed it, the book was pretty clearly a satire Dabir posted:You might be thinking of Starship Troopers, the book was supposed to be taken at face value but the film director made it a satire. The book was great for half and self-insert Hoo-rah fanfic for the 2nd half and was probably the worst thing I've ever read. The movie did the correct thing and also it owned
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Feb 21, 2016 10:00
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twistedmentat posted:Wish Walsh was right and conservatism was dead in the US. The religious right and the authoritarian right was an alliance of convenience more than anything. They're both about control, traditionalism, and "gently caress everybody that isn't us." Christianity is on the decline in America which is part of why the religious right is going into meltdown mode. Their influence is waning and they know it. As the right gets further to the right it's also becoming more apparent that the religious right doesn't give a poo poo what Jesus actually taught and was using it as a way to keep political control. The profound ugliness of right wing thought is coming screaming out while the end results of their policies have not been what was promised on the tin. They're desperately trying to cling to their power but American voters aren't happy with the way they run things. Meanwhile their political fuckery, gerrymandering, and voter suppression are becoming more blatant and more public. What you're seeing is one last, final, big power grab. They despise the idea of not being in control but also realize this is their absolute last chance to keep control of America. You see this in how much they wank about the military, the police, and symbols of authority while also playing the "we're rebelling against tyrants" bullshit. They've decided that they are the real America and deserve to get control of the whole thing merely by existing. This is their final hurrah; if they can grab enough power they can gently caress up the system to keep themselves there but if they don't grab enough their only option is violent insurrection. I kind of wonder if, deep down inside, they realize they're going to fail this time around and are playing for another Civil War.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:09
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Aren't Republicans still pretty powerful and easily elected at the State level in many parts of America? I mean, I get that they want to grab the entire federal government as well, because why not, but would they not have more direct impact to control a lot of aspects of people's lives as state governors and other state-, or even municipal-level legislators?
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Feb 21, 2016 13:11
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Walsh realizing racism drives his party more than any supposed ideology or principles. Donald Trump is winning because he can be more openly racist than his competition.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:39
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Leofish posted:Aren't Republicans still pretty powerful and easily elected at the State level in many parts of America? I mean, I get that they want to grab the entire federal government as well, because why not, but would they not have more direct impact to control a lot of aspects of people's lives as state governors and other state-, or even municipal-level legislators? That's been part of their strategy for a while, just look at the messes they've made of places like Wisconsin, Michigan and Kansas. A couple of decades ago Wisconsin and Michigan were fairly solidly Democratic centers of power for organized labor and now they're both collapsing right-to-work states. The changes in Michigan politics in my lifetime have been incredible and I'm only 33.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:42
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Leofish posted:Aren't Republicans still pretty powerful and easily elected at the State level in many parts of America? I mean, I get that they want to grab the entire federal government as well, because why not, but would they not have more direct impact to control a lot of aspects of people's lives as state governors and other state-, or even municipal-level legislators? They generally win rural areas so they tend to win less-densely populated states. Major cities tend to vote heavily Democrat which lets the Dems carry states with a ton of electoral votes. Because of this Republicans have an easier time gerrymandering certain states all to hell and back to keep themselves in power by marginalizing certain voting demographics. Overall America votes more D than R these days in general popular votes but R-dominated states are set up to give the Republican party disproportional amounts of influence. There are several reasons they're more electable at state level and some of it is just because Republican voters just refuse to miss elections of any type while other voters may not have much interest in lower-level elections. It also doesn't help that the GOP controls vastly more land area thanks to rural voting patterns.
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Feb 21, 2016 13:53
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Don't forget campaigns of voter disenfranchisement. They straight up admit it in terms of making it harder for Democratic voters to get to polls and even they are having a hard time not letting it slip they want Jim Crow 2.0 to be the law of the land. If that sort of stuff was more strongly countered you'd see less GOP dominance as well.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:00
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Voter ID laws are such transparently racist horseshit and make me angry irl that they are not immediately derided.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:13
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I agree. The media has bought into the idea that "well it makes sense that you should have to prove that you are yourself to vote" since that makes sense at face value. They just don't look into the actual goal of voter id which is to stop people from voting and the ridiculous lengths then go to in order to make it happen so that stuff doesn't get reported outside of comedy news shows. The fact that "Ok then lets give everyone in the country a universal id they can use to vote with free of charge" is always shouted down should make it obvious to everyone but when you have to pretend one side isn't outrageously acting in bad faith then you don't think about it.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:23
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^ Its the huge flaw in socirty today - a very naive assumption of good faith. Fight Club's image of toxic masculinity fits in very well with the war on terror and the rise of Daesh. The scene where Tyler puts the gun to Raymond's head is basic security theater. In the book Tyler wants to destroy history museums and free people from the past - which is part of the Islamist rationale for destroying graven images / historic sites.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:24
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McDowell posted:^ Its the huge flaw in socirty today - a very naive assumption of good faith. Which is part of why Republicans get away with such blatantly ridulous ideas and blatant race baiting. People assume good faith, so they don't bother to call them out on it, assuming it's business as usual or "both sides have a point".
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Feb 21, 2016 14:48
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McDowell posted:^ Its the huge flaw in socirty today - a very naive assumption of good faith. Is Chuck Palahnuik an ISIS sleeper agent? Makes you think...
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Feb 21, 2016 14:49
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Radish posted:I agree. The media has bought into the idea that "well it makes sense that you should have to prove that you are yourself to vote" since that makes sense at face value. They just don't look into the actual goal of voter id which is to stop people from voting and the ridiculous lengths then go to in order to make it happen so that stuff doesn't get reported outside of comedy news shows. The fact that "Ok then lets give everyone in the country a universal id they can use to vote with free of charge" is always shouted down should make it obvious to everyone but when you have to pretend one side isn't outrageously acting in bad faith then you don't think about it. The detail that they conveniently leave out is that you have to prove who you are to register to vote in the first place.
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Feb 21, 2016 14:56
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"But what if Bob says he's Frank and then votes in TWO districts??" It's funny that every election one Tea Partier will try this to prove voter fraud is real and get busted big time. My dad used to tell me stories about Democratic guys rounding up the homeless and giving them a pack of cigarettes in exchange for their votes. Assuming that's true (maybe it happened one time and isn't an urban legend) thinking back that's totally fair since that's still a lot more than anything the GOP was going to do for them so it's the sensible decision on their part.
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Feb 21, 2016 15:16
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Walsh realizing racism drives his party more than any supposed ideology or principles. but doesnt walsh believe half that poo poo anyway. or is he and the rest of evanglicals scared because he knows trump wont keep them around and probaly views them as the thing they are, parasites. trump is the sign of the times. the GOP is going in the /pol/ direction now.
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Feb 21, 2016 19:14
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Radish posted:"But what if Bob says he's Frank and then votes in TWO districts??" It's funny that every election one Tea Partier will try this to prove voter fraud is real and get busted big time. One of the theories behind Edgar Allan Poe's death is that he was boozed up by some political bosses so he could vote in multiple districts. There is also Georgia's three governors controversy of 1946. Everyone involved except one man was Democratic, simply because it was the only viable political party. Since it was the south, Dems were all various shades of racist. An ailing Eugene Talmadge was elected governor, but died before inauguration. Lt. governor M.E. Thompson declared he was governor. Exiting governor Ellis Arnall refused to vacate initially, but nodded in favor of Thompson. The state didn't have any plan. Talmadge's managers knew something was going on, so they had encouraged some voters to write-in his son Herman. In the write-in category Herman was third with 617 votes, trailing James Carmichael (669) and the lone Republican candidate D. Talmadge Bowers (637). In the nick of time, though, some 56 votes were discovered in the name of Herman in Telfair County. The Talmadges were from Telfair County. A careful investigation discovered that some people insisted they didn't vote for Herman, some of the voters on the list were dead and a good many of them were listed in alphabetical order. Herman Talmadge claimed the win, but it was overturned in courts, going to Thompson. A special election in 1948 installed Herman as governor. Herman Talmadge would soon set up a educational spending program to equalize the state's schools. It was definitely beneficial as the state of educational was awful for white and black students, especially the latter. It was also a plan to keep the federal government out of the state and ensure segregation (see, it's really separate and equal). Talmadge's hand-picked successor, Marvin Griffin, campaigned on the issue of segregation in schools. As did his Democratic challengers (Griffin won) and as did the winner of the next gubernatorial election, Ernest Vandiver, though he put up little resistance as the university system and Atlanta high schools were integrated. When Georgia had three governors. 
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Feb 21, 2016 19:19
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RC and Moon Pie posted:In the nick of time, though, some 56 votes were discovered in the name of Herman in Telfair County. That is what always gets me about stories about rounding up the homeless to go vote. Or bussing large groups of activists to vote at multiple polling stations. Why go to that much trouble when it is easier to "find" ballots laying around.
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Feb 21, 2016 19:32
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Radish posted:"But what if Bob says he's Frank and then votes in TWO districts??" It's funny that every election one Tea Partier will try this to prove voter fraud is real and get busted big time. Oh it absolutely happened. There's stories of (Italian, German, etc) Immigrants who literally could not read or speak english that were bussed to the polls and given a copy of the correct candidate to vote for. So for example, they have a slip of paper that says "Johnny Fiveaces (D)" and they look for the word that looks just like it.
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computer parts posted:Oh it absolutely happened. There's stories of (Italian, German, etc) Immigrants who literally could not read or speak english that were bussed to the polls and given a copy of the correct candidate to vote for. In like 1930, sure.
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