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swampman posted:Even if you were right - it's called "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Third Worldism" it doesn't even require the many brilliant writings of Stalin to justify slavecaging your parasite rear end. Vote PSL are you an unironic third worldist
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swampman posted:Even if you were right - it's called "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Third Worldism" it doesn't even require the many brilliant writings of Stalin to justify slavecaging your parasite rear end. Vote PSL another good reason to execute a tankie on sight
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HorseLord posted:are you an unironic third worldist *posts hate amerika beat*
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HorseLord posted:are you an unironic third worldist I think third worldism an important factor for a proper understanding international relations.. I think that there is no realistic chance of revolution in the first world, America especially, until conditions worsen dramatically, however this is happening faster than ever... I think empire's long-term approach is to convert the periphery to unhabitable war zones and to create a huge population of stateless people who will either die or be slaves, and that this directly constitutes a war on the third world by the first world, so yea I guess its an accurate hashtag, I did quote MSH earlier in the thread
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Top City Homo posted:Stalin wasn't a communist hth  
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Top City Homo posted:The third possible benefit from his candidacy is to show the limits of electoral politics and to reinforce just how strongly capital is stacked against workers and spur grassroots organization. Bernie's success is an indication of favorable times but it's only going to lead to more success if people avoid the "sheepdog" phenomenon and do that organizing outside the Democrat party.
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I can't see how organizing outside of one of the two parties in a two-party system will be of benefit
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:I can't see how organizing outside of one of the two parties in a two-party system will be of benefit "Well that was kinda scary when Sulla marched on Rome with his army and purged a bunch of guys and ruled Rome as Dictator, but as you can see he instituted reforms that made the senate even stronger! our system of government has lasted for over 400 years i don't see how it could end in the near future" - this argument like 2200 years ago To be less snarky, actually, organizing outside the two parties is the only way to challenge the situation from the left, because when threatened the bourgeoisie will choose fascism to save itself from capitalism's contradictions ten times out of ten and guess what's coming to a head? DOCTOR ZIMBARDO fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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American Capital doesn't need Fascism to save itself, because like filially pious Chinese peasants before class consciousness, American proles will beseech Emperor Trump to restore the Mandate of Heaven.
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we're probably seeing a different iteration of fascism akin to democratic socialism's evil doppelganger, since if trump wins he won't have to organize paramilitaries to seize power
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Homework Explainer posted:we're probably seeing a different iteration of fascism akin to democratic socialism's evil doppelganger, since if trump wins he won't have to organize paramilitaries to seize power One of the defining elements of fascism is its criminality, since fascists act from a position of pure power without regard to the law. If Trump acts legally, then that's just good old fashioned reactionary authoritarianism. I've seen some idiotic Trumpenproles go so far as to compare Trump to Cincinnatus, but that might actually be what happens in a narrative sense.
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  BP cares about the environment    Victims of Stalin's Ukrainian genocide in 1923  KPD in the 1925 equating the SPD with industrialists, Nazis and Monarchists  SPD reacting to KPD shutting down democratic discussion within their party and spurn a united front.  KPD following Stalin's Social Fascism line to not unite with the SPD against Nazism helping them rise to power despite both worker parties having 1.5 million more voters combined  Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Nazi Germany over dividing Europe  Gestapo-NKVD meeting in Poland 1939  Soviets handing over Jewish prisoners to Nazis in 1940 Stalin was a hero
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Why are those old posters always only in red? Were there practical reasons or was it just stylistic?
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Top City Homo posted:another good reason to execute a tankie on sight when they're inside a tank smart guy
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I can't believe you guys wasted so many pages debating whether Bolshevism and fascism are the same. Of course they aren't, why even waste anytime on it. What would be more interesting is if someone could explain why is it at all worthwhile to join Psl and what they hope to accomplish, when there is clearly zero audience for their 'Soviet Union was good' line i namerica at the present
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Bernie's success is an indication of favorable times but it's only going to lead to more success if people avoid the "sheepdog" phenomenon and do that organizing outside the Democrat party. you keep mentioning this outdated sheepdog idea. i know its historically a thing that happened but the whole point is that people are consciously aware of the situation. The democratic party cannot sheepdog a constituency it does not want in the first place people are going into this with all eyes open. They are voting for a person not a party and in the process getting intense training and real life understanding of who the democratic party is by dealing with their functionaries in the primary process The great thing here is that Bernie is a very honest politician its very difficult to find skeletons in his closet so the desperate attempts to do so reveal the crude level of protective factionalism they have in there this is a way to radicalize people when they understand who runs the party system. also organizations like ActBlue have basically opened up a new way to reach people individually its a way to take any party national almost immediately.
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rudatron posted:how will you shoot them drat it foiled again
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Honestly what's most exciting about bernie is that young people are working together to achieve a goal. They're not going home empty handed, they're going to keep that contact phone numbers of the people they worked with...hopefully. Something to keep in mind.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Why are those old posters always only in red? Were there practical reasons or was it just stylistic? they look fuckin awesome also red is the flag of socialism 
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Top City Homo posted:KPD in the 1925 equating the SPD with industrialists, Nazis and Monarchists What happened in Germany 7 years prior, pray tell?
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swampman posted:I think third worldism an important factor for a proper understanding international relations.. I think that there is no realistic chance of revolution in the first world, America especially, until conditions worsen dramatically, however this is happening faster than ever... I think empire's long-term approach is to convert the periphery to unhabitable war zones and to create a huge population of stateless people who will either die or be slaves, and that this directly constitutes a war on the third world by the first world, so yea I guess its an accurate hashtag, I did quote MSH earlier in the thread have you... ever met or interacted with third worldists tho understanding what superprofits are is one thing. but third worldists specifically believe that there is no proletariat in first world countries, and that only people in the third world can be a revolutionary proletariat. they also believe that the third world proletariat is ignorant of it's own oppression, and requires the few first world citizens who want to change this to act as "leading lights", i.e, do their thinking for them if you think that sounds like a racist white saviour narrative well thats because it is. it's basically "i'm too fat and lazy to do perform practice in my own country, so I'm going to wait for superexploited dudes to make the revolution for me like they made my nikes. receiving superprofits makes you a reactionary, except me, who is a good one, and i deserve the $90 cognac i brag about because i'm teaching those stupid brown people what to think with my insightful youtube videos" its some absurd poo poo. you had black and latino dominated communist movements in the US, that did real tangible good. you got actual revolutionary guerillas in india and the Philippines saying "we see that, keep fighting, make revolution in the imperialist countries". Then you have a canadian neckbeard telling everyone that actually, the communist party of Bangladesh are "first worldist parasites". gently caress third worldism. it's trash for decadent white goonlords who can't perform self crit, who want to be imperialists from mom's basement
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You're not all bad, Horselord.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Why are those old posters always only in red? Were there practical reasons or was it just stylistic? There was an ink shortage of every other color.
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HorseLord posted:have you... ever met or interacted with third worldists tho Oh I see. YOu asked me so that you could tell me more about what I think... I think there is pretty good case for the "peripheral" nations to be considered another intersection of oppression, that cant be discarded just because you used to post at some stupid goon, and I dont really care about the broad characteriztion that like, LLCO members are "armchair" revolutionaries bc I personally, am not... an7yway this has been really informative, you are all clearly experts in your fields
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rudatron posted:Honestly what's most exciting about Obama is that young people are working together to achieve a goal. They're not going home empty handed, they're going to keep that contact phone numbers of the people they worked with...hopefully. Something to keep in mind.
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lets see what third worldists are doing these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqHGU48Mpdg oh they're calling a black maoist lady the KKK e: bonus whatever this is lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqmX81ompWs HorseLord fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Its kind of a weird thing to ask about some idea and then pivot and talk about weird rude people who agree with the idea instead. It's not really a "good faith discussion" kind of thing. Hey do you like posting on the internet? Yeah? How about those Redditors huh??
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Its kind of a weird thing to ask about some idea and then pivot and talk about weird rude people who agree with the idea instead. It's not really a "good faith discussion" kind of thing. Hey do you like posting on the internet? Yeah? How about those Redditors huh?? i literally underlined what the third worldist line is: that brown people in the colonies are dumb and need a white dude from denver to be their "leading light" like that's literally the LLCOs party line and where they got their name
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Yeah and what swampman said is he thought they had certain good ideas like superprofits etc so idk why we are talking about Maoist Rebel News or whatever when he answered your question about the merits. I mean, he preemptively addressed your argument about it being an excuse for inaction, and then also qualified it as being a tool to understand int'l relations.
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HorseLord posted:lets see what third worldists are doing these days This butterball says "suck my dick" like his mom could hear it from the living room.
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The, heh, CPUSA has endorsed Clinton.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Yeah and what swampman said is he thought they had certain good ideas like superprofits etc so idk why we are talking about Maoist Rebel News or whatever when he answered your question about the merits. I mean, he preemptively addressed your argument about it being an excuse for inaction, and then also qualified it as being a tool to understand int'l relations. superprofits arent even a thirdworldist idea. its literally normal marxism thirdworldists are just weird wannabe white saviors
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HorseLord posted:i don't understand why the CPUSA doesnt just dissolve itself Because they're making money.
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Bob le Moche posted:Guys I'm pretty sure The Saurus is actually a legit fascist here, I've kind of gotten a feel for these things  you loving retardIt's people like you who have made the word fascist a joke insult.
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The Saurus posted:
To be fair, as a populist you probably are the closest thing we have to a fascist on this board.
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If you can have non-racist, democratic fascism that doesn't have violent control of the streets or institute widespread authoritarianism in all parts of society then yeah I guess so maybe 
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The Saurus posted:
Well you're obviously not a communist. You claimed in another thread that undocumented workers are lumpenproles. You've pretty much got Mussolini's intellectual trajectory going for you. You're well on the way to embracing the Third Way because all your Leftist buddies think your ideas are loving stupid.
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