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Krad posted:Yeah but I want undead They already showed weird chemicals dripping over his weird corpse.
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He's an easy retcon to do though, like Count Vertigo was.
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Feb 21, 2016 06:28
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computer parts posted:He's an easy retcon to do though, like Count Vertigo was. They don't have to retcon anything, anyone even the slightest bit genre aware knows that weird chemicals dripping over a corpse means that guy is coming back as a monster
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Feb 21, 2016 06:32
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Yea, I'm thinking Zombie Hulk Solomon, not what we got.
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Feb 21, 2016 07:58
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SonicRulez posted:I guess I kinda thought this episode was gonna be based around Team Arrow being trapped in with a bunch of Ghosts and the Demolition raining down on them and they'd have to use cool superhero tactics to fight out of it. That's not what I got. What we got wasn't bad, but it's not what I wanted. Post it on Amell's facebook, watch the metaphorical white knights raise their swords..
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Feb 21, 2016 10:55
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I can't help but be offended that Felicity's disability might be undone with a simple computer chip (and a self-sustaining power source) embedded in her spine. I think the few episodes of Felicity getting used to the wheelchair and regaining her strength, self-confidence, and pride, all while continuing to be smart, capable, and sexy have been such a powerful story arc for her. It has been one of the highlights of Season 4, in fact. At least the writers haven't committed the common error of referring to her as "wheelchair-bound," which is wholly inaccurate, considering wheelchairs empower people with spinal cord injuries and other disabilities to be more independent than they would be without them. This is close to my heart because I'm married to a brilliant and beautiful woman with a disability (who actually teaches a college course on Media and Disability), and this storyline even got her to start watching Arrow with me. She loved the conversation between Felicity and her former goth self, as she abandoned the pain meds and embraced her new identity, turning her limitations into newfound strength and resolve. I know the writers intended the Curtis Holt character to have the best intentions, but the idea that Felicity has to literally "walk" down the aisle to marry the love of her life is disappointing at best and offensive at worst. After DC Comics undid Barbara Gordon's disability (after almost 20 years of Oracle being an amazing and unique character), I was really hoping the Arrow writers were attempting to rectify that with Felicity. There aren't enough people with disabilities on TV, especially ones treated as strong, smart, sexy characters.
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Feb 21, 2016 20:18
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The last thing this show needs is even more focus on Felicity.
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Feb 21, 2016 21:06
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If you can cure a disability you do. I wouldn't expect less in a universe with time travel, magic, and super soldier serum.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I can't help but be offended that Felicity's disability might be undone with a simple computer chip (and a self-sustaining power source) embedded in her spine. I think the few episodes of Felicity getting used to the wheelchair and regaining her strength, self-confidence, and pride, all while continuing to be smart, capable, and sexy have been such a powerful story arc for her. It has been one of the highlights of Season 4, in fact. At least the writers haven't committed the common error of referring to her as "wheelchair-bound," which is wholly inaccurate, considering wheelchairs empower people with spinal cord injuries and other disabilities to be more independent than they would be without them. lol Lazy writing, yea sure. Offended? lmao
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Feb 21, 2016 22:48
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Krad posted:The last thing this show needs is even more focus on Felicity. This. Plus, as you said, we got this with Babs. I have no interest in seeing Felicity do it. Especially without all the cool Batgirl poo poo before and afterwards.
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Feb 21, 2016 23:08
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Proof that people will get offended by literally anything.
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Feb 22, 2016 00:15
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Wanting this show to keep stringing along a bad storyline because you married a cripple is incredibly selfish of you.
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Whizbang posted:Wanting this show to keep stringing along a bad storyline because you married a cripple is incredibly selfish of you. ... You know, at first I wasn't sure but yeah, I'm gonna have to agree that we need a little bit more positive disability representation in the media.
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Whizbang posted:Wanting this show to keep stringing along a bad storyline because you married a cripple is incredibly selfish of you.
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Feb 22, 2016 01:21
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Whizbang posted:Wanting this show to keep stringing along a bad storyline because you married a cripple is incredibly selfish of you. Wow, you're a real dickhead.
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BrianWilly posted:Yeah, y'know, I didn't completely agree with Voodoo Lou at first but now I do, out of spite. Because you're a loving rear end in a top hat. I'm Ra's al Ghul!
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Whizbang posted:Wanting this show to keep stringing along a bad storyline because you married a cripple is incredibly selfish of you. gat drat
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Just when you think nobody could be a bigger dick that Enraged Camel, there you go.
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Feb 22, 2016 02:52
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It was never going to last because Rickards isn't handicapped, and it sucks a lot to have to film every scene in a wheelchair.
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Feb 22, 2016 02:57
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Aphrodite posted:It was never going to last because Rickards isn't handicapped, and it sucks a lot to have to film every scene in a wheelchair. Yeah, as cool as the representation of having Felicity in the wheelchair is, logistically it's just not feasible to keep it up.
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Feb 22, 2016 03:36
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I still say Cisco should have gifted her Well's chair.
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She could've made an Atom suit, or even just Atom pants, that do her walking for her. We already saw this when she wore Ray's suit but she didn't need to move to control it.
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Reversing Barbara Gordon's disability was one of the dumbest moves DC ever did. All of the best Barbara Gordon stories were told while she was oracle - to the point where I'd argue its essential to her character. Much as I love the DCAU's streamlining of many comic elements, including Batgirl basically becoming Dick Grayson's replacement for a period of time, I really did miss Oracle. Arrow's handled Felicity's disability well, I guess. It truthfully hasn't impacted the larger season much - we didn't even get an episode with Oliver and the Arrow-Crew reacting and adjusting to her injury.
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Feb 22, 2016 04:32
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howe_sam posted:Yeah, as cool as the representation of having Felicity in the wheelchair is, logistically it's just not feasible to keep it up. Why? That kid did it on Glee for like 5 years.
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Detective No. 27 posted:You know, Malcom can count the people he's murdered with one hand. Well it's not like he has a choice any more is it?
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Narcissus1916 posted:Reversing Barbara Gordon's disability was one of the dumbest moves DC ever did. All of the best Barbara Gordon stories were told while she was oracle - to the point where I'd argue its essential to her character. The new Batgirl of Burnside series is fantastic; I'd much rather have this than Oracle in current DC books. We didn't need an episode of the crew reacting and adjusting because it changed nothing for the team dynamic. It wasn't taking Diggle out of the field and putting him behind a desk. It was taking Felicity from her office chair and computer and putting her at a wheel chair and computer.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Why? That kid did it on Glee for like 5 years. Wasn't there a shitstorm when it came out that he wasn't actually handicapped?
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Ville Valo posted:The new Batgirl of Burnside series is fantastic; I'd much rather have this than Oracle in current DC books. By the way, I was looking at the first trade of it, Dinah Lance is Black Canary now?
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twistedmentat posted:By the way, I was looking at the first trade of it, Dinah Lance is Black Canary now? Since when was Dinah not Black Canary?
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Dinah Laurel Lance no longer exists. Dinah Drake is Black Canary now/again. She marries a guy named Kurt Lance but he dies (but not really.) No Wildcat involvement anymore, she's probably no longer considered one of the better fighters in the DC universe, and no more Green Arrow relationship. Also she can fly like Banshee apparently.
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A cripple with perfect calf muscles... MY IMMERSION! 
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Rocksicles posted:A cripple with perfect calf muscles... MY IMMERSION! She's only been crippled for like 5 days.
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Aphrodite posted:Dinah Laurel Lance no longer exists. Dinah Drake is Black Canary now/again. She marries a guy named Kurt Lance but he dies (but not really.) Okay, that's what I was confused. Green Arrow is one of the major DC books I know the least about. I knew there was a Laural Lance and a Dinah Lance but wasn't aware they were the same person.
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They did it that way because it was a retcon. They decided the last X years of the character was actually the daughter, instead of actually transitioning at some point. The one who did anything anyone knows or cares about was the younger Canary, including the one the show's version is based on. I read somewhere (probably this thread) they had her called Dinah during production but it's a weird name that doesn't work being spoken, so they changed it. There is and only ever has been one Canary in New 52, and she's not really either of the previous ones. She's been changed in like every way.
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Aphrodite posted:They did it that way because it was a retcon. They decided the last X years of the character was actually the daughter, instead of actually transitioning at some point. It was more that one was involved with the JSA and a character that occurred in the Golden Age of comics. This was all on earth 2 and eventually during a team up on earth one and two, the original died and her daughter went to earth 2 and stated a relationship with Green Arrow.
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Ville Valo posted:The new Batgirl of Burnside series is fantastic; I'd much rather have this than Oracle in current DC books. Did not know that the new batgirl is good - I'll have to check it out. I'm frankly just bitter that Cassandra Cain was so casually tossed aside a few years ago. What I wouldn't give to see Cassandra (or her father) show up on Arrow. I'd say its impossible but we somehow got a version of Nyssa.
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Narcissus1916 posted:
They have been introduced in the new Batman weekly series.
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Actually, if Supergirl becomes a big enough hit, I'd be so down for a Batgirl tv show that is based on the current series. I absolutely love some Babs Gordon, either as Batgirl or Oracle.
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Babs & Cassie Cain sharing an apartment, kicking the gently caress out of mooks, arguing over the last of the cheerios... i'd watch that
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Batgirl of Burndide is good, but it sorta feels like this should've taken place before she became Oracle rather than after. It's likely because of the art style and writing and the New 52 that she's more youthful than before, but Stephanie Brown as Batgirl was good. Cassandra Cain was also good (mostly in theory sadly)
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