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I said come in! posted:Plus a culture of being afraid to really speak up because entitlements and being treated like a human being are somehow considered awful. well that much is obvious but I don't think it means people should be intimidated into not speaking up when they feel underpaid
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Chomp8645 posted:Why do people keep talking about living with roommates like it's some extreme concession only necessary for those living in metro areas. the same people would laugh at the idea of owning their own car instead of taking public transportation, ride sharing etc but having *roommates* ??? surely you jest goon sire
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FishionMailed posted:Anything short of radical organization is pointless so that's your excuse for never doing poo poo right? you are real dumb
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50 years ago if you told someone who had just graduated college that the average or even best job they could find would still leave them unable to afford to live without a roommate let alone support a family they would have laughed in your face nowadays it is considered normal and people take it up the rear end and ask for more and bitch when someone doesn't go along with it Klyith posted:you are real dumb you're a doodoo head
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Pawn 17 posted:What do you want them to pay her? I know a lot of people have said minimum wage, because that's kinna what she implied in her letter, however a few pages back a goon who is familiar with her exact position said it pays 35k/yr + benefits. Yeah that's still poo poo for the bay area, but I seriously doubt her job even requires a college degree or any work experience. See i've thought a lot about this over the last year, and the idea that you get paid based on the skills you need to do the job, is a really flawed idea. Shouldn't instead it be based on the cost of living for the area you are in? It would certain encourage tech companies to gently caress off and leave California if this were the case. They would spread out over the U.S. creating jobs in cheaper areas and help out poorer communities. At least in theory. In reality they would probably all gently caress off to China, so lmao I have no idea really.
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Feb 22, 2016 20:26
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FishionMailed posted:well that much is obvious but I don't think it means people should be intimidated into not speaking up when they feel underpaid I can get behind that. People should feel safe speaking up. The age of negotiating for your pay is long over it seems, very few people can do that.
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I said come in! posted:See i've thought a lot about this over the last year, and the idea that you get paid based on the skills you need to do the job, is a really flawed idea. Shouldn't instead it be based on the cost of living for the area you are in? It would certain encourage tech companies to gently caress off and leave California if this were the case. They would spread out over the U.S. creating jobs in cheaper areas and help out poorer communities. At least in theory. In reality they would probably all gently caress off to China, so lmao I have no idea really. I'm on board with this, that's basically what I was advocating. Most jobs in a service industry based economy (which is what we are) can't actually be outsourced effectively, believe it or not. Most tech companies that outsource to India end up with endless tales of gently caress ups that they then have to go fix which ends up costing more time/money in the end and we've already lost most of the manufacturing jobs anyway.
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I said come in! posted:and the idea that you get paid based on the skills you need to do the job, is a really flawed idea. I don't even know how to have a conversation with anyone that actually believes this.
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We are never going to fix these issues until such a time (never) as we acknowledge and deal with the fact that we don't have nearly enough legitimate work to keep everyone busy for 40 hours a week so we've made up a bunch of dumb bullshit instead.
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Chomp8645 posted:We are never going to fix these issues until such a time (never) as we acknowledge and deal with the fact that we don't have nearly enough legitimate work to keep everyone busy for 40 hours a week so we've made up a bunch of dumb bullshit instead. There's that, too. Should be interesting to see what happens when automation of labor really takes off and there's really just not enough work for the entire population of job seekers.
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I said come in! posted:I can get behind that. People should feel safe speaking up. The age of negotiating for your pay is long over it seems, very few people can do that. I think it might've gone better for her if she hadn't been vaguely threatening and openly condescending in her letter.
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crabcakes66 posted:I don't even know how to have a conversation with anyone that actually believes this. Look at how it's working out for California though. It's not, at all. People are barely getting by even with roommates, or they are having to commute for hours each day to get to work. It really sucks.
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Das Boo posted:I think it might've gone better for her if she hadn't been vaguely threatening and openly condescending in her letter. Yes, this is very true. Her letter was garbage and I admit I didn't even finish it, which a lot of people in this thread admit they didn't either and I don't blame them.
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I said come in! posted:Yes, this is very true. Her letter was garbage and I admit I didn't even finish it, which a lot of people in this thread admit they didn't either and I don't blame them. same. I read like the first paragraph then skimmed the next few and was like 'wow this just keeps going gently caress it.' Make fun of her for being an English major then writing that imo, not the specifics of her meal choices
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I said come in! posted:See i've thought a lot about this over the last year, and the idea that you get paid based on the skills you need to do the job, is a really flawed idea. Shouldn't instead it be based on the cost of living for the area you are in? It would certain encourage tech companies to gently caress off and leave California if this were the case. They would spread out over the U.S. creating jobs in cheaper areas and help out poorer communities. At least in theory. In reality they would probably all gently caress off to China, so lmao I have no idea really. instead a federal program should perhaps be set in motion to educate millennials that just because they really *want* to do a thing doesn't mean they can *afford* to do a thing , whether it's traveling around the world, spending 12 years in grad school, or living in the most desirable real estate on earth
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Internaut! posted:instead a federal program should perhaps be set in motion to educate millennials that just because they really *want* to do a thing doesn't mean they can *afford* to do a thing , whether it's obtaining a job allowing them to live self sufficiently, spending 4 years in college, or owning real estate not in the desert poo poo sucks worse economics-wise than it ever has since the literal great depression and unemployment rates for the youth are in the double digits (that means % of people LOOKING FOR WORK that can't find it for you numb nuts in the audience) but yeah millennials are just entitled poo poo lords lol 'gently caress you got mine, serve me drinks and whore yourself on the internet to survive' - the older generation
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Back when I got my first job working at a Hollywood video I was also upset that I didn't make $15+ an hour plus benefits for rewinding movies.
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FishionMailed posted:same. I read like the first paragraph then skimmed the next few and was like 'wow this just keeps going gently caress it.' again, no one is making fun of her meal choices, as far as i can tell. people are pointing out that her sob story about not being able to eat anything but rice is made up bullshit.
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NObodiesGeek posted:Back when I got my first job working at a Hollywood video I was also upset that I didn't make $15+ an hour plus benefits for rewinding movies. yeah bc you went to university and paid tens of thousands for a degree which enabled you to get that job which you needed to pay your adult bills right? wasn't just like, oh, idk, for extra weed money while your parents still paid for necessities? Hollywood video lol way to date yourself. Maybe the economy in 2016 isn't the same as it was in the 90s? Holy poo poo, right?
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Are you saying she needed years of school to answer a phone or send a twitter in San Fran?
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FishionMailed posted:poo poo sucks worse economics-wise than it ever has since the literal great depression and unemployment rates for the youth are in the double digits (that means % of people LOOKING FOR WORK that can't find it for you numb nuts in the audience) but yeah millennials are just entitled poo poo lords lol ya remember the 90s when 20 year old arts grads lived in upper east side townhomes and vacationed at chalets in gstaad fuckin <pre-millennial generations>!!! 
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FishionMailed posted:50 years ago if you told someone who had just graduated college that the average or even best job they could find would still leave them unable to afford to live without a roommate let alone support a family they would have laughed in your face College graduates were rarer 50 years ago. A BA in english lit isn't much more impressive than a high school graduation these days. Back in the day a girl with an english iit degree wasn't looking for a job at all, she was looking for a husband. Getting married is like having a roommate, except you don't even get your own bed to your self. As far as I know my grandparents lived at home until they got married. Then they had a tiny apartment and literally had orange crates as furniture. No college degree, but they both worked. By the time I was born they had a nice house with nice furniture, but they'd been married and collecting stuff for 25 years by then. Starting out has always sucked.
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I said come in! posted:See i've thought a lot about this over the last year, and the idea that you get paid based on the skills you need to do the job, is a really flawed idea. Shouldn't instead it be based on the cost of living for the area you are in? It would certain encourage tech companies to gently caress off and leave California if this were the case. They would spread out over the U.S. creating jobs in cheaper areas and help out poorer communities. At least in theory. In reality they would probably all gently caress off to China, so lmao I have no idea really. Are you saying you should get paid more for the same job in areas that are expensive to live? Because if so, that already exists and has for a long time (at least for white collar jobs). Here is an example of salary by state for comparable jobs: http://salarybystate.org/tag/computer-software-engineer-salary-in-2013 There is a huge difference based on where you live. And this is more exaggerated for certain cities.
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Shaquin posted:That's cool with an average rent cost of roughly 1000 dollars in the U.S. that's actually effectively 100% of your budget at 40 hours a week on an 8 dollar minimum wage after taxes no matter where you are living. Probably addressed later in this thread, but minimum wage in San Francisco is 12.25 an hour, not 8.00 an hour. I understand the allure of wanting a cool lifestyle in an exciting city, and to have an interesting, creative job. But she had a dream, not a plan.
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NObodiesGeek posted:Are you saying she needed years of school to answer a phone or send a twitter in San Fran? Nope. http://eat24.theresumator.com/apply/RYJu1C/Customer-Support-Specialist
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Internaut! posted:ya remember the 90s when 20 year old arts grads lived in upper east side townhomes and vacationed at chalets in gstaad sure, they were just called trust fund babies back then (lol if you think 90%+ of these millennials living in SF working at start ups didn't come from well off families)
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Angela Christine posted:College graduates were rarer 50 years ago. A BA in english lit isn't much more impressive than a high school graduation these days. Back in the day a girl with an english iit degree wasn't looking for a job at all, she was looking for a husband. Getting married is like having a roommate, except you don't even get your own bed to your self. I'm sorry but that does not gibe with my understanding of American standards of living from that era as relayed to me by Golden Age Hollywood films
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FishionMailed posted:(lol if you think 90%+ of these millennials living in SF working at start ups didn't come from well off families) Of course they did. Poor people would know how to find a grody apartment in a sketchy area and make it work.
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Ha! This is a literal intern job. edit: Jesus christ, that description. Bacon feet, changing the world one cheeseburger at a time... Seriously, anyone over the age of 23 should not be applying for this kind of job, especially if they have any degree. This is for interns or high school kids. Solice Kirsk fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Angela Christine posted:College graduates were rarer 50 years ago. A BA in english lit isn't much more impressive than a high school graduation these days. Back in the day a girl with an english iit degree wasn't looking for a job at all, she was looking for a husband. Getting married is like having a roommate, except you don't even get your own bed to your self. also, Percent of high school grads that went on to college in 1966 was 50.1%, starts to get to 60% by the 80s. Today it is 65% (low income hs grads are at 45.5%) https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d99/d99t187.asp I dunno that degrees were really all that much rarer. They were certainly cheaper. Starting out is always hard but I bet your grandparents didn't have to work 2 jobs each just to make ends meet. They still managed to save money - most Americans today don't because they live paycheck to paycheck. Back in the day a girl with a english lit degree didn't need a job because the husband's income was enough to support a whole family. lol at that concept today. Internaut! posted:I'm sorry but that does not gibe with my understanding of American standards of living from that era as relayed to me by Golden Age Hollywood films probably because upon closer inspection it's just an anecdote that means nothing if your argument right now is that real wages haven't either stagnated or gone down for most Americans since 1960 then lmao buddy that's an easily verifiable fact. FishionMailed fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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I said come in! posted:See i've thought a lot about this over the last year, and the idea that you get paid based on the skills you need to do the job, is a really flawed idea. Shouldn't instead it be based on the cost of living for the area you are in? It would certain encourage tech companies to gently caress off and leave California if this were the case. They would spread out over the U.S. creating jobs in cheaper areas and help out poorer communities. At least in theory. In reality they would probably all gently caress off to China, so lmao I have no idea really. Most corporation scale pay based on geographic location to scale for cost of living adjustments. So, they generally refer to a primary dollar amount and adjust accordingly. NY, for example, at my company is about 2x higher than the base salary rate in dollars.
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She wrote multiple paragraphs about she was living on basically nothing but rice in this rambling blog to the CEO of her company, and then her Instagram shows her hobbies are literally making gourmet cupcakes and baking, going out to eat, and basically every pampered west coast girl hobby in existence. It's p funny. She's just another idiot who failed at living in a big city and complained about it every step of the way and just wants pity donations on the internet. Like if you wanna start a conversation about big city wages, there's always D&D. There are numerous San Francisco natives who are struggling and need real help and have NO family ties or financial throwbacks and deserve real consideration. This girl is not one of them.
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QUEEN CAUCUS posted:Like if you wanna start a conversation about big city wages, there's always D&D. yeah but those dudes take poo poo waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously crabcakes66 posted:Why is everyone defending this girl constantly engaged in a fight against a giant strawman? I'm not defending her I'm saying sure she hosed up but I'm also saying 'what 20 something hasn't?' and 'that company is probably hosed up, too.' Ya'll are always either all or nothing like she's Osama bin Laden and you're either with us or against us dangit. Maybe both parties in this situation are dumbasses?
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What this millennial bitch doesn't apparently realize is that once you enter the workforce YOU WILL EAT poo poo for like 10 years. It's not about how qualified you probably are, after all you just spent 10 years in college. These loving hipster millennial freegans spend the first half of their adult life in college telling themselves they're doing something positive and investing in their future. They wake up on a couch, floor or god forbid THEIR actual bed for 10 years putting off term papers until the day before and living life that way thinking, "oh the workforce is just this except I probably have to have a set schedule". You could be a senior in college for 3 years the whole time thinking "I'm at the top!" or "so this is what being on top feels like!". One lucky day she gets an entry level hipster job where she will finally get to post food LOLs. Guess what, bitch. Now you're at the bottom! The guy that's worked his way up to Wendy's management while you were "bettering your future" for 10 years has more money in his 401k than money you've earned to date. But he's the chode, right? He's the one that "didn't make it", right? When are we going to stop letting people think that their liberal arts degree is going to change the world? Why do we provide support for insufferable hipsters who sign their letters to their boss with their own tears? gently caress you, insufferable hipster girl! SUCK IT, COOCH!!
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NObodiesGeek posted:Are you saying she needed years of school to answer a phone or send a twitter in San Fran? your outta your league son, rekt
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If I wrote a scathing crazylady letter to my CEO that included 'I know where you live' I would be thrown out on my rear end with security on both sides. I do not believe this to be unique to Yelp's situation despite them being a lovely protection racket company.
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goat manilla posted:These loving hipster millennial freegans spend the first half of their adult life in college telling themselves they're doing something positive and investing in their future. to be fair this is what you older assholes have been telling us since we were born so really it's on you dumb gently caress Gen X druggie losers.
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FishionMailed posted:to be fair this is what you older assholes have been telling us since we were born Gen X didn't lie to you. Put the blame on the baby boomers that have hosed all of us up. We Gen X'ers are in the unique position that we are not only gonna have to support the boomers through their 50 years of retirement, but also you millennials through your unemployment.
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