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"Killing this game is an ART CRIME" Anyone who uses the phrase 'art crime' in any context is cool and worth your time. poo poo, this sounds sarcastic. It's not!
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MisterBibs posted:His hearts in the right place on this issue, but ultimately he misses the fact that these games (and the other one he earlier discussed this about) that are "killed" because they are poo poo and nobody plays them. His review is about Darkspore. loving Darkspore. This is not a game that anyone has thought of outside of Bad Video Game Reviews in nearly a decade. MisterBibs posted:E: Christ, I loaded Spore the other day on a whim, and it spent time pulling down a thousand or so objects and creatures from my followed list. They keep those servers up because, shock and awe, folks still play it.
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MisterBibs posted:His hearts in the right place on this issue, but ultimately he misses the fact that these games (and the other one he earlier discussed this about) that are "killed" because they are poo poo and nobody plays them. His review is about Darkspore. loving Darkspore. This is not a game that anyone has thought of outside of Bad Video Game Reviews in nearly a decade. The quality of the game is besides the point. The fact that the game is (or will be) unplayable forever is the point. Like-- can you imagine if some company, decades ago, said "Meh, nobody is playing Potty Pigeon anymore. I'll just push this button and erase every copy in existence." Darkspore is just the game he happens to be talking about in that video. There's hundreds or thousands of other games-- by EA and others-- that stop being playable simply because a company decides so. Even if it's a single-player game that doesn't need to be online. Even if they could release the source code and let people run with it-- or even just a binary of the servers so people could run their own.
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MisterBibs posted:E: Christ, I loaded Spore the other day on a whim, and it spent time pulling down a thousand or so objects and creatures from my followed list. They keep those servers up because, shock and awe, folks still play it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA Seriously gently caress EA and whoever decided to dumb down the game/make it more cartoony
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My god, to think years ago before I knew any better, I thought that most internet reviewers were funny and quirky and reviewed stuff like they knew what they were talking about. Now that I've paid more attention, I'm starting to see how terrible they actually were. Everything on Channel Awesome even years ago was just garbage, most reviewers had to fill in a pop culture reference or an obscure movie joke (or an MST3K joke) to pass it off as comedy, and their "reviews" aren't even reviews but looking at points of interest in a movie, TV show, comic book and saying how dumb it looks without analysing or elaborating it any further. And now thanks to Disney shutting down Blip, copyright strikes and claims pretty much happening everywhere on YouTube, and Fair Use having little to no meaning anymore...the internet reviewing subculture is slowly becoming a dying form. Junior Jr. fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Terrible Opinions posted:What about ten years down the line ro whatever when the last big DLC whales stop playing? Why should your experience or my experience be constrained by which games sad sacks continue to feed money into on a regular basis? Because by that time, it's so old that, gently caress it, I ain't missing anything by it not being playable anymore. It's the platonic ideal of the phrase "And nothing of value was lost." Show me someone who'll bemoan the loss of Spore/Darkspore/TheStuffRossCovered/Whatever in a decade, and I'll show you either a liar or someone sad. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Its more looking down the line at EA getting it into their heads to do it to all their future games, than what they're doing it to now.
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Junior Jr. posted:My god, to think years ago before I knew any better, I thought that most internet reviewers were funny and quirky and reviewed stuff like they knew what they were talking about. It really felt like a passing fad, like for some part of pop culture people where fascinated by open mic night rejects who made jokes about kids shows and had long storylines mixed in. I mean the more imformative reviewers will still be around, I can't see folks like jim sterling going away since he does review things, I haven't followed angry joe in a year but I can't see him going away unless he is still acting like a moron like dressing up like a GI joe baddie to congress.
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Yeah at this point I feel like the only reviewers that are truly going to make it are the ones who focus specifically on a specialty. The market for smug, imcompetent reviewers is pretty much a dying one. Kyle and DStesks have shown that YouTube has unintentionally created a barrier in the form of editing quality. That standard being editing videos in ways to bypass the YouTube's automatic copyright system. That and the actual shutting down of videos from bots and third party people who make a living off fradulent claims is telling anyone who wants to get into the reviewing gig, is going to face alot of hurdles and should not even bother. Angry Joe's calmed down over the years, but still has not given up his stance that things like Halo's false advertisement and Rec system should not be the industry standard. I also would seriously wish that Doug wasn't the one to spearhead this when Jim and YMS and Dan Bull and everyone else has been going about copyright for far, FAR longer than Doug has. It feels like Blip was this time capsule for Doug where he didn't need to adapt to new conditions, and is trying to tell everyone else what everyone else already knows, and doing it much more poorly to boot. I wonder is Doug can handle streaming, feels like it'd be the next logical step should his efforts basically state that his business is kapoot and his allergy to Patreon. And that brings it all back to GoogleTube and US copyright law, which is stupid and everyone knows it. But that's literally in the realm of politics and activism/lobbying, which for most reviewers outside of constantly pointing these things out, aren't in a position to engage in copyright law activism. Annointed fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Tracula posted:You got a link for that article/video/whatever? That honestly sounds really pretty interesting. Nope, I came across it somehow when the James Deen rape/assault allegation thing happened.
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Junior Jr. posted:My god, to think years ago before I knew any better, I thought that most internet reviewers were funny and quirky and reviewed stuff like they knew what they were talking about. For all the bad things that can be said about Channel Awesome, it led me to great reviewers like Kyle Kallgren, Allison Pregler and many others. It also made me discover a lot of great stuff and fascinating things that I might never have heard of otherwise. So even if in the end there was a lot of bad, the memories of the good will always stay with me.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's still a very bad precedent to set. To create art as a purposely temporary thing is terrible. This is a dumb opinion. A terrible one, even. Like, most performing arts are purposely temporary. poo poo, there's a whole religious tradition of purposely creating art to destroy. It's nice to have some art around, yes, but the idea that all art needs to be preserved forever is stupid and limiting to what art can be.
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MisterBibs posted:His hearts in the right place on this issue, but ultimately he misses the fact that these games (and the other one he earlier discussed this about) that are "killed" because they are poo poo and nobody plays them. His review is about Darkspore. loving Darkspore. This is not a game that anyone has thought of outside of Bad Video Game Reviews in nearly a decade. That's true and all about the games being poo poo but that doesn't change the fact that it's even more poo poo that these games are made that will become glorified paper weights when EA moves on from them. You can drop $60+ on a game but that purchase is still basically temporary and the developer can shut it down whenever they want. A lot of these games aren't even really dedicated to online, but you arbitrarily need to be connected to the EA servers to play. And there's no possibility for the games to be kept alive afterwards by community servers because you need to be connected to EA's servers to play. And then there's the fact that most of EA's games have some sort of microtransaction or paid DLC, so people could pay upwards of 100 bucks only to have access to the content they paid for abruptly and permenantly cut off. It also gives the developers the ability to erase the previous installments and act like they never happened, so they can get away with removing features in new games more easily. They can turn franchises into glorified subscription services where you need to get the newest game if you want to play the franchise, even if the new one is worse, because hey the old one is completely nonfunctional now.
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Augus posted:That's true and all about the games being poo poo but that doesn't change the fact that it's even more poo poo that these games are made that will become glorified paper weights when EA moves on from them. You can drop $60+ on a game but that purchase is still basically temporary and the developer can shut it down whenever they want. A lot of these games aren't even really dedicated to online, but you arbitrarily need to be connected to the EA servers to play. And there's no possibility for the games to be kept alive afterwards by community servers because you need to be connected to EA's servers to play. Honestly one of the worst things to ever happen to games is the always online requirement. Look at pretty well every Blizzard game, especially the shitshow that Diablo 3 was on launch. Hell even Ubisoft did it for a while too before dropping it (uplay still loving sucks though). Funniest thing was with Assassins Creed 2 because you needed to be online to play a 100% single player game and their servers couldn't handle it. The irony? If you cracked the game you could play it just fine. That's right, if you stole the game you could play it fine but if you wanted to do it legit welp you were hosed. Puppy Time posted:This is a dumb opinion. A terrible one, even. Like, most performing arts are purposely temporary. poo poo, there's a whole religious tradition of purposely creating art to destroy. It's nice to have some art around, yes, but the idea that all art needs to be preserved forever is stupid and limiting to what art can be. Offtopic but related. If you like temporary art you should take a look at Phil in the Circle. His stuff is pretty awesome. http://philinthecircle.com/goodbyeart.html Tracula fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Puppy Time posted:This is a dumb opinion. A terrible one, even. Like, most performing arts are purposely temporary. poo poo, there's a whole religious tradition of purposely creating art to destroy. It's nice to have some art around, yes, but the idea that all art needs to be preserved forever is stupid and limiting to what art can be. Wait so the actions of preserving art pieces is arbitrary because some art pieces are by design meant to be temporary. Well I guess I got to toss out my entire movie and music collection and pictures according to your logic, because thinking I should preserve my copies for future generations is art anathema
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Tracula posted:Honestly one of the worst things to ever happen to games is the always online requirement. Look at pretty well every Blizzard game, especially the shitshow that Diablo 3 was on launch. Hell even Ubisoft did it for a while too before dropping it (uplay still loving sucks though). Funniest thing was with Assassins Creed 2 because you needed to be online to play a 100% single player game and their servers couldn't handle it. The irony? If you cracked the game you could play it just fine. That's right, if you stole the game you could play it fine but if you wanted to do it legit welp you were hosed. Dont forget the new Sim City, and people finding out it was hilariously easy to crack it for offline playing where it suddenly ran much, much better.
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MisterBibs posted:Because by that time, it's so old that, gently caress it, I ain't missing anything by it not being playable anymore. It's the platonic ideal of the phrase "And nothing of value was lost." Show me someone who'll bemoan the loss of Spore/Darkspore/TheStuffRossCovered/Whatever in a decade, and I'll show you either a liar or someone sad. Puppy Time posted:This is a dumb opinion. A terrible one, even. Like, most performing arts are purposely temporary. poo poo, there's a whole religious tradition of purposely creating art to destroy. It's nice to have some art around, yes, but the idea that all art needs to be preserved forever is stupid and limiting to what art can be.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Dont forget the new Sim City, and people finding out it was hilariously easy to crack it for offline playing where it suddenly ran much, much better. Though in that case the cities did break down rather fast as some of the agent stuff was (unnecessarily, as EA proved later) tied to online servers.
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I think it's a perfectly valid artistic decision to have your art be ephemeral (as difficult as that can be in a day when almost everyone has a recording device in their hands). The Flock is a game that had a planned "end of life event" and while that was pretty much the only notable thing it had going for it, it was a conscious decision. Even if it was probably a mix of cost-saving measures and attention whoring. However, Darkspore is not. Nobody had a vision that one day Darkspore would be lost to the aether and that was an integral part of the experience. Some of the developers may have expected as much, and even planned for it financially, but the loss of Darkspore was never a core part of the experience of the game. That's true with most of these games. I think one question that's relevant that gets buried here is: what about worlds that progress? For instance (neglecting the existence of private servers for a moment), we will never see the Undead Invasion or Gates of Ahn Qiraj in World of Warcraft again. There's no way to access the original Naxxaramas, or the thousands of quests and bits of old content that were reworked for the Cataclysm. Those are "lost forever", but they were reworked and changed for a very specific reason. They were "lost", but it's meant to tie into the idea that WoW is a world that lives and progresses (not that they pull it off that well what with the weirdness this causes between levels 60 and 80). However, a new player really can't experience the story of Tirion Fordring or the original Onyxia event, much less the one time only pre-launch events for each content patch or expansion. I think that's the sort of thing that while it's in some ways unfortunate to lose it, I can't really complain because it's done for a reason other than "eh... we can't afford it anymore."
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DStecks posted:Also, porn sites do get swept for copyrighted content... it's just that the content in question is porn. Wouldn't do Brazzers much good to advertise on a website where you can watch all their content for free. Oh you're so underestimating the industry. The porn arm of Hollywood is so much better at utilizing the internet than the traditional one that it's not even funny. Due to the production values being so much lower they've had to get creative as "the netflix of porn" isn't really a viable business alternative. As mentioned above most of the streaming sites are subsidiaries of the same firms as the producers themselves which keeps revenue internal while subverting piracy. Additionally, the content that they do post at the streaming sites are often of reduced quality in various way whether that be visual, sound or even editing along with clear directions to the non-reduced paid alternative. Essentially, the exact same method that a F2P-game will use to entice you to pay money to reduce hassle. Through this combination they can have ad revenue by streaming while still getting to sell their product in a traditional manner.
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Jsor posted:I think it's a perfectly valid artistic decision to have your art be ephemeral (as difficult as that can be in a day when almost everyone has a recording device in their hands). The Flock is a game that had a planned "end of life event" and while that was pretty much the only notable thing it had going for it, it was a conscious decision. Even if it was probably a mix of cost-saving measures and attention whoring. Thats a different thing, though I get what you mean. With WoW its more to feel like your character is joining an active ongoing world in progress rather then Generic Hero #44903327 from the beginning. For them things that have happened are actual immediate/recent history and your big conflict is the current event/expansion pack. Well aside from levelling through the previous expansions, that is.
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Tracula posted:You got a link for that article/video/whatever? That honestly sounds really pretty interesting. Here are a few pieces that cover it: http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...industries.html http://business.avn.com/articles/legal/Nightline-Takes-a-Look-at-Porn-Piracy-and-Targets-MindGeek-556480.html https://www.quora.com/Who-owns-and-operates-major-porn-tube-sites
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Jsor posted:I think it's a perfectly valid artistic decision to have your art be ephemeral (as difficult as that can be in a day when almost everyone has a recording device in their hands). The Flock is a game that had a planned "end of life event" and while that was pretty much the only notable thing it had going for it, it was a conscious decision. Even if it was probably a mix of cost-saving measures and attention whoring. There are plenty of private wow servers where you can do old stuff.
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Andrast posted:There are plenty of private wow servers where you can do old stuff. Which is probably why he pointed out that he was neglecting them for a moment for the sake of his point.
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Trojan Kaiju posted:Which is probably why he pointed out that he was neglecting them for a moment for the sake of his point. Sorry, reading is hard.
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Annointed posted:Wait so the actions of preserving art pieces is arbitrary because some art pieces are by design meant to be temporary. Well I guess I got to toss out my entire movie and music collection and pictures according to your logic, because thinking I should preserve my copies for future generations is art anathema Terrible Opinions posted:You are the reason there are no surviving copies of the Lives of Famous Whores. Yo, dinguses, there's a difference between "The idea that 'ALL art MUST be preserved and should NEVER be made to be temporary' is dumb" and "NO ART MUST BE PRESERVED BURN IT ALL."
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Yeah I think I get what you're saying. If the temporary nature of an art piece in question enhances the art itself then by all means make it temporary. Things like group theatre, effigies, sand sculptures, and the like are by necessity temporary. However their are plenty of reasons for stuff to be temporary that are bad. Reasons like thinking the art in question isn't worth keeping around or simply because you want to control how others consume your product.
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Would you say it's similar to ancient ruins that get destroyed? We know they existed and there are photographs and artifacts excavated from them, but no one will ever be able to visit them again.
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Darkspore is probably preservable in the form of piracy, the physical copies, and the ability to probably figure out a way to host your own servers for it. Even the Matrix Online is (iirc) slowly but surely getting a proper server built up by fans.Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah I think I get what you're saying. If the temporary nature of an art piece in question enhances the art itself then by all means make it temporary. Things like group theatre, effigies, sand sculptures, and the like are by necessity temporary. However their are plenty of reasons for stuff to be temporary that are bad. Reasons like thinking the art in question isn't worth keeping around or simply because you want to control how others consume your product. Paradoxically though, perhaps Athens was a font of philosophy precisely because people threw away the things they deemed unnecessary. In being willing to preference creating new ideas over attempting to preserve or maintain or constantly revisit all of the old ones in painstaking detail, their ideas progressed a shitton further and faster than places like Sparta, which even when they were still around were considered to be artefacts of a bygone age, ridiculously attached to keeping their old way of life going. The Romans didn't even bother to invade and even did tourism there.
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What do you get when a born-again grindhouse director teams up with a preacher that makes the reverend from Footloose look tame? You get 'If Footmen Tire, What Will Horses Do?' It's like if someone actually directed a Chick Tract, only with 70's era gore effects, child decapitation, torture, and rape. Cartoons, Communism, skipping church, not going to church TWICE on a sunday, going on dates on a Saturday night instead of reading the scriptures; all this will lead to the Red Scare version of Man in the High Castle McCarthy warned us about. Cinema Snob Presents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qt8_gycQZo
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Arcsquad12 posted:We've really lost the talent to make good gore in movies anymore. 70s and 80s splatterhouse gore hits me on a level modern stuff can't match. Speaking as a squeamish person, I'm think the current gore is at 'just right'. Stuff in Deadpool, for instance is at the right level of visceral without ticking over into gratuitous. Funny to think the International Women's Day joke is probably going to be more controversial than the violence.
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Arcsquad12 posted:We've really lost the talent to make good gore in movies anymore. 70s and 80s splatterhouse gore hits me on a level modern stuff can't match. Sometimes you get a good splatter in a movie. Hell, Turbo Kid had some really good blood effects, and it was practical, so that's awesome too.
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Arcsquad12 posted:We've really lost the talent to make good gore in movies anymore. 70s and 80s splatterhouse gore hits me on a level modern stuff can't match. This is probably just me but the scene in the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre where the kid in the wheelchair got stabbed in the arm still makes me feel squeamish. It's been a while since I've seen it so it may have just been the atmosphere rather than the effect, but it was good enough to make a guy who grew up on direct-to-video horror movies feel something.
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