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I'm actually doing a research paper about healer viability in FFXIV Patch 3.15 - here's a small excerpt from the paper, available in next months Nature. 
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This may reveal that I'm bad with my class, but I always keep Fracture up. Is that the wrong way to WAR?
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Feb 22, 2016 21:17
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UpfrontSalmon posted:Can someone make a Belzac soundboard (postboard?) where we can just have random/generic Belzac hatebile spewed at everyone that posts in this thread? Not quite what you were asking for, but have this anyway. seiferguy posted:Unironically agreeing with a Belzac post. The great thing about leveling AST is half the time you wind up in dungeons where you can't use cards anyway. Up until Haukke (I think the cap is 30 in Haukke, I haven't gotten it recently), AST plays basically as a lovely WHM with some really weird design decisions. (Malefic is Stone II and is level 1, Stella is Stone and is level 24 or something.) It's not hard to wind up at level 50 while only barely having ever played content when you even can use the cards.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:25
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GlitchThief posted:This may reveal that I'm bad with my class, but I always keep Fracture up. Is that the wrong way to WAR?
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Feb 22, 2016 21:27
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GlitchThief posted:This may reveal that I'm bad with my class, but I always keep Fracture up. Is that the wrong way to WAR? Fracture controversy was about if it was worth cross classing it and iirc it's a resounding 'no' post heavensward
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Feb 22, 2016 21:28
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The joke is that people used to crossclass it... and then use that as an excuse to not put on their job stone so they could keep access to it. 
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Feb 22, 2016 21:28
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Brother Entropy posted:Fracture controversy was about if it was worth cross classing it and iirc it's a resounding 'no' post heavensward
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Feb 22, 2016 21:35
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No the joke was that it was worthwhile for Monk and Paladin (and sometimes dragoon) to cross class it but often people would not cross class it cause it was too difficult to press one more button in their rotation. People would fight super hard to defend why they wouldn't use fracture which all came out as "wahhhhhh i dun wanna".
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Feb 22, 2016 21:37
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I'm just gonna play explosion mage now and only cast Flare.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:40
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So, basically the real joke is that Belzac wont shut up about how everyone needs to min/max in what is a pretty casual MMO where that isnt even necessary?
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Feb 22, 2016 21:41
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jellycat posted:I'm just going to sit here and remember every time I've overwritten AST shields with Adlo + Deployment Tactics. Something, something, neuroplasticity something?  I dunno. If putting stoneskin on the tank just as the last mob dies and then dropping a Nocturnal shield as they run towards the next pack so they can pull to their little heart's content while you take advantage of not drawing aggro as a result to switch back to regens isn't something that someone'd think of, maybe AST isn't for that person.I agree that it takes a certain amount of imagination to play, but the people that think 'Nocturnal comes later, therefore clearly it's the better stance and what you're supposed to use to the exclusion of everything else' bewilders me, too.  (For the record, if you're alone or paired with a WHM, throw out shields in between fights, and then switch back to regen before the fight starts. (loving autocorrect that's the second goddamn time) The 5% spell speed translates into the margin you want to drop into Cleric Stance right after dropping HoTs, fire a few hardcasted Gravity or Malefic II, then pop back to top people off.)Edit: And I don't think it needs to be said, but STAY THE gently caress AWAY FROM NOCTURNAL IF YOU'RE PAIRED WITH A SCHOLAR. Their shields kick your shields' rear end, because they can crit for quad shielding, and you can work around them, not the other way around. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Feb 22, 2016 21:42
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Stay away from Nocturnal even if you're paired with a White Mage.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:45
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So AST is a lovely WHM combined with a lovely SCH?
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Feb 22, 2016 21:46
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No AST is a WHM with slightly worse MP regen/healing utility that brings more other utility or a really bad SCH.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:47
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CoffeeBooze posted:So, basically the real joke is that Belzac wont shut up about how everyone needs to min/max in what is a pretty casual MMO where that isnt even necessary? 
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Feb 22, 2016 21:49
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Fracture for PLD 50 is great because it isn't doing the 1-2-3 combo over and over again
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Feb 22, 2016 21:51
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Smart Car posted:No AST is a WHM with slightly worse MP regen/healing utility that brings more other utility or a really bad SCH. Well, LA is getting a buff tonight, soooooo....
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Feb 22, 2016 21:53
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Why would a Dragoon cross-class Fracture? They have an ability that's the same thing as Fracture but better.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:56
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I would have really liked AST to have the same healing range as WHM. I don't think mana was a huge problem but I won't turn it away. The slightly better Shuffle is cool too I guess.
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Feb 22, 2016 21:59
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Augus posted:Why would a Dragoon cross-class Fracture? They have an ability that's the same thing as Fracture but better.
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Feb 22, 2016 22:02
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Augus posted:Why would a Dragoon cross-class Fracture? They have an ability that's the same thing as Fracture but better. They stack.
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Feb 22, 2016 22:02
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Augus posted:Why would a Dragoon cross-class Fracture? They have an ability that's the same thing as Fracture but better. Because at the time they could (with enough SkS) have enough dead time to fit in a global. If they just continued their rotation they'd clip everything a global early. By weaving in a Fracture they pushed their rotation back out to the proper amount of globals for a net gain of dps. Now DRG is just hosed cause you clip CT like crazy and you can't do anything about it without a net loss of dps.
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Feb 22, 2016 22:02
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Belzac posted:Now DRG is just hosed cause you clip CT like crazy and you can't do anything about it without a net loss of dps. Agreed. Just delete the class, it's beyond repair. Not even fracture can save it.
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Feb 22, 2016 22:04
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jellycat posted:I'm just going to sit here and remember every time I've overwritten AST shields with Adlo + Deployment Tactics. I think half the ASTs DF has paired me with have been in Noct sect. My poor crit adlos. Saigyouji fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Feb 22, 2016 22:09
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Dropping Cleric Stance'd Gravity bombs/Holy/Bane is cool as heck. Healers who don't DPS are WEIRD.Xenoveritas posted:Not quite what you were asking for, but have this anyway. THANK YOU. From the Belzac post generator: "Sorry, thread from then? Well I'm not the start! BiS now they're fun for maybe that's like PvP from Koji has ever be completely 0 level 50. Remember when your 5% weaker than facts or may not been to master the average it can stop SpaceDrake early he'll drown us in which makes up 1 hour Diadem grind it moves you finally escape it won't make the boss. Sorry, thread a really do savage first example Monk armor for adding reasons to raid tier has turned from what everyone was many many of gear." I don't know why the part I bolded makes me laugh hard but 
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Feb 22, 2016 22:20
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Belzac posted:Fishing has this game. It's pretty easily be 10 crafted drac pots. Let's see on Darkside I'M STILL HAVING FUN! Yep, legit
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Feb 22, 2016 22:24
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Truga posted:I'm just gonna play explosion mage now and only cast Flare. Would still be more DPS than an ice mage 
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Feb 22, 2016 22:25
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UpfrontSalmon posted:Dropping Cleric Stance'd Gravity bombs/Holy/Bane is cool as heck. Healers who don't DPS are WEIRD. Yeah, non-DPSing healers are basically like "Did anyone die? You can thank me for that  " as if that's a goddamn accomplishment. Keeping people alive is easy. And I probably die more times to non-DPSing healers because they get too complacent. Nothing seems to make me more angry than the white mage battle stance of doing nothing just waitin' for that tank's health to drop below 80% to cast that cure 2.
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Feb 22, 2016 22:33
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I thought Nocturnal shields had been buffed significantly since 3.0? Or is it still objectively worse as a full time buff than Diurnal? I did like that AST was the only class to get a straight up nerf in 3.2 (in PVP, because being able to spam healing and shields while moving was making people salty).
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Feb 22, 2016 22:35
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Thundarr posted:I thought Nocturnal shields had been buffed significantly since 3.0? Or is it still objectively worse as a full time buff than Diurnal? It's worse because Noct shields and SCH shields don't stack, and the SCH has no choice but to use their shields. Until that is addressed Noct will remain subpar because SCH's are better (and AST's are more WHM than SCH.)
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Feb 22, 2016 22:41
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On paper the shielding strength of a SCH and Nocturnal AST is pretty similar, though the AST lacks Deployment Tactics to spread their single strong shield to multiple targets. The problem is that in addition to the shields the SCH has much better MP regeneration than an AST (It's a much more stark difference than between WHM and AST), and the SCH also has one key thing that ASTs lack: The fairy. The fairy heals actually fill a very similar niche to what regen effects do, increasing the buffer time you have where you can continue doing other things without having to directly heal certain people, shields do do this as well but are noticeably weaker at it since the total shielding of one shield only really comes close to the total effect of any single target regen spell on a critical Adloquium, because a critical Adloquium shields for twice the amount it heals, something which Nocturnal AST doesn't get for Aspected Benefic. So on a tank for instance, the SCH fairy will do a lot of work to heal the auto-attack damage a boss does, for Diurnal AST and WHM Aspected Benefic and Regen fill this role. The Nocturnal AST on the other hand no option but to heal that damage themselves. This makes it so that of all the healers, the Nocturnal AST has the least GCDs to spare on doing things that aren't tank healing. And yeah, there's also the technical issue that if you do have both a SCH and a Nocturnal AST in the group the shields will always overwrite one another, no matter which heal was stronger. If the SCH were to crit an Adloquium the AST could overwrite it with Aspected Helios, and vice versa with Aspected Benefic and Succor. E: A Nocturnal AST does technically have one thing over a SCH in the form of regular Helios; SCH is always cooldown limited on its non-shield AoE heals. The problem there of course is that if that's what you want, you'd be better off being a Diurnal AST because Aspected Helios is basically a shorter range Medica II. Of course having said all of the above, for some encounters if you have a WHM and AST your only choice might be having those shields or dying. But if you don't need the shields, you should really be in Diurnal. And if you have two ASTs you do want to both be in different stances, because unlike WHMs two Diurnal ASTs don't have their regen effects play nicely together. Smart Car fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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Feb 22, 2016 23:09
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The LA, Ewer, and Shuffle changes to AST should at least bring the mana side of it in line with everyone else. I still doubt I'd enjoy weaving healing / dps on one compared to being WHM or SCH though. Things like Assize/Indom/Fairy/Holy/Bane are simply enormous still.
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Feb 22, 2016 23:12
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Xenoveritas posted:Not quite what you were asking for, but have this anyway. quote:No. They're so easy. I'm just hoping that Paladin has...flash? Remember when your MMQ this issue. Now we must all levels of our casuals go? Basically the vit won't make Thal's Balls a thing cause they're done an actual only enjoy this much like it. A PTR wasn't a less confusing job. Basically:
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Feb 22, 2016 23:20
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It's ok because based phases cannot be poo poo post at launch has a social meta of my sister I need to master the new job in addition of 3.2 trailer!! Fluff class can stop running Roulette not do mechanics" at probably be about the gender of MCH that ruins this on Japan's top 100 games except the radical swings you like?
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I've got all my 210 fending jewelry ready to go. Hopefully the damage nerf isn't too bad when things go live. All HW content to date is going to be silly with so much HP. A war at full 210 with defiance on goes to over 30k hp with thrill up solo. I hope the tankbusters hit really hard otherwise tanking is going to get a lot more dull.
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Feb 22, 2016 23:27
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Mr. Nice! posted:I've got all my 210 fending jewelry ready to go. Hopefully the damage nerf isn't too bad when things go live. All HW content to date is going to be silly with so much HP. A war at full 210 with defiance on goes to over 30k hp with thrill up solo. I hope the tankbusters hit really hard otherwise tanking is going to get a lot more dull. Tank stances are getting their enmity generation buffed. I'm guessing that's not a great sign.
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Feb 22, 2016 23:37
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Question: I've heard that some big changes have been made to how tanks use their stats, so should I reallocate all my bonus points into Vit now?
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Feb 22, 2016 23:50
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Meldonox posted:Tank stances are getting their enmity generation buffed. I'm guessing that's not a great sign. I did a singularity reactor last night in full fending and was doing around 800 dps as a MT war. We'll see when the patch goes live just how badly they nerfed it.
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SirPhoebos posted:Question: I've heard that some big changes have been made to how tanks use their stats, so should I reallocate all my bonus points into Vit now? Probably but wait for folks to crunch numbers when the servers are up.
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Feb 22, 2016 23:51
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SirPhoebos posted:Question: I've heard that some big changes have been made to how tanks use their stats, so should I reallocate all my bonus points into Vit now? Both Strength and Vitality will now contribute to Attack Power for Tanks, but they obviously haven't gone in to specifics on the ratios. So yeah, just hold off for now. Or don't. Honestly, it's not like 35 VIT over 35 STR and vice versa is going to make a huge splash either way.
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