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Solemn Sloth posted:Actually it is a positive unless you can demonstrate those assaults are still happening but elsewhere. He can't because they aren't: quote:32%–40% drop in assaults across the CBD Entertainment Precinct, and... no increase in the number of assaults in neighbouring police command areas during the 12 months after the changes. https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2015/203/9/presentations-alcohol-related-serious-injury-major-sydney-trauma-hospital-after
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KingEup posted:What kind of loving bizarro world logic is this. its right there in your post. 50% the number of people and a less than 50% reduction in violence means the lockout laws make it statistically more likely you are going to get assaulted and needlessly takes a dump on a tonne of businesses and one of the best places for young people to earn an income gets destroyed. also you are literally supporting a law thats designed to funnel people that you think have addiction problems into establishments literally designed to unfairly suck the money from people with addiction problems. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 22, 2016 |
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A Saucy Bratwurst posted:Why the gently caress would you be proud of walking infront of a moving car. You are an actual moron who somehow hasn't being natural selectioned for 30+ years Why the gently caress would you be proud of breaking the law to run a pedestrian down? Maybe you're just some sort of  type who thinks might makes right?--- I think the average pedestrian is probably sharper intellectually than the average driver, because for years and years he's had to live by his wits. Consequently, there has evolved a race of pedestrians who are more agile mentally than the rest of us. 
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Zenithe posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-22/cardinal-george-pell-calls-for-investigation-into-police-leak/7190216 "We would love to investigate it but considering your current ill health we wouldn't want to do anything that jeopardises it"
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A Saucy Bratwurst posted:giving way to people who walk out in front of you is not possible and is different to giving way to people already there hth Are you misconstruing people who walk in front of a car unannounced from a hidden location with people who visibly step on to a crosswalk with the knowledge that cars should yield for them?
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Zenithe posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-22/cardinal-george-pell-calls-for-investigation-into-police-leak/7190216 I really don't know how to take that. "maliciously timed" Jesus Christ Negligent posted:Everyone entering a venue after a certain time must wear a bike helmet as protection against assault. M-bison-yes.gif
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KingEup posted:At some point you will get diminishing returns. I would be open to trialling a 12:30 lockout to test the hypothesis. do you ever leave your house
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How about we make lockout laws from 3pm rather than 3am. When the suits can't get a beer after work the narrative will change.
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hooman posted:I only chose that limit because that is the current maximum for the state I live in. I'm totally open to having a discussion about what "safe" speeds are, or about what reasonable maximum speeds are. I'm trying to get an understanding of the rationalisation behind why cars are made to be able to go faster than that. The authoritarian megahitler that I am. people build things all the time that exceed their recommended capabilities, and theres something in the way that laws are barriers to actions in the mind rather than physical. building an engineering solution to a risk is generally the best way to reduce and remove that risk, but it is also the least flexible to change. manufacturers still make cars capable of driving off roads, in large volumes, even though the statistics show the vast majority of cars drive on roads their entire service life. The option is still there for those to choose it, either as a matter of adventure, their job or necessity. Australia is becoming a country of legislating safety, and i think this is a trait of our culture of irresponsibility.
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Birb Katter posted:How about we make lockout laws from 3pm rather than 3am. When the suits can't get a beer after work the narrative will change. Bring in prohibition imo, alcohol merely promotes immoral behaviours and distracts people from what is truly important: full communism now.
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redweird posted:What kind of argument is that? There's a lot of stuff you can't do at 3am, but drinking is definitely not one of them. A lot of people revel until the early hours of the morning. People do it all over the world. People do lots of things around the world that we don't do here. Getting hosed up and scoffing pingers all night is a privilege not a right and if people can't do it without bashing some poor bastard then that privilege gets taken away. Alcohol directly causes or exacerbates a fuckton of societal problems anyway, reducing people's ability to drink vast quantities of it is a good thing.
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gay picnic defence posted:People do lots of things around the world that we don't do here. Driving is a privilege not a right and if people can't do it without giving way to pedestrians when required then that privilege gets taken away. ftfy
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Timeline: Why Save the Children workers want almost $1 million compensation from the Federal Government Nine Save The Children staff who were at the centre of a political storm surrounding the Nauru Detention Centre have lodged a compensation claim against the Federal Government of nearly $1 million. The staff were removed from the small Pacific island of Nauru after an internal security report suggested the workers were involved in political activism by coaching asylum seekers to self-harm and to fabricate stories of abuse. Documents obtained by 7.30 show that the nine workers will claim for loss of income, consolation for pain and suffering and hurt and humiliation and damage to reputation on Monday. They will also request a formal apology from the Government that acknowledges the Government's actions damaged their reputation and caused embarrassment. A spokeswoman from the Department of Immigration and Border Protection said: "The Department continues to engage with Save the Children Australia and former staff, through their legal representatives, and is aiming to settle their claims as quickly as possible." Here's how the events unfolded: Aug 1, 2013 Save The Children begin work on Nauru An initial one-year contract begins allowing Save The Children to provide education and protection services and welfare services to minors in detention centres on Nauru. The contract was valued at $36,740,058.53. February 2014 Services expand Save the Children services expanded to include welfare, recreation and education services. The contract is changed to from a solely child welfare focus to providing services to families, childless couples and single adult women. September, 25 2014 New policies introduced The Australian Government introduces legislation to Parliament to resurrect the Howard-era temporary protection visa (TPVs), and to create a new visa called a safe haven enterprise visa (SHEV). The bill also moves to classify babies born to asylum seekers in Australia as "unauthorised maritime arrivals" to ensure they will be blocked from applying for a permanent protection visa and can be resettled offshore. Then-immigration minister Scott Morrison sends a video message to transferees on Nauru and Manus Island offshore processing centres. September 29, 2014 First allegations of abuse on Nauru Fairfax reports allegations of sexual abuse of women and children and threats of rape by guards working in the detention centre on Nauru. October 2, 2014 Staff accused in internal report Ten Save the Children staff are accused of coaching asylum seekers to self-harm in an internal report by the other service provider on the island, Transfield (now Broadspectrum). The six employees who on the island are removed. October 3, 2014 Staff suspended The nine employees who were still employed by Save The Children are issued a removal letter suspended on full pay. The six employees who were on the island are deported by the following day. Immigration minister Scott Morrison orders an independent investigation into sex abuse claims and the alleged coaching of the asylum seekers to self-harm and refers the matter to the Australian Federal Police. Save the Children advise the Nauru Minister for Justice and Border Protection, David Adeang, that the organisation rejects the allegations of inappropriate behaviour and is willing to cooperate with the review. March 20, 2015 Staff are cleared The independent review chaired by Philip Moss clears Save the Children staff of any fabricated abuse allegations or coaching. It also finds evidence of sexual abuse in detention centre. May 15, 2015 Another review ordered The Immigration Department, headed by Peter Dutton, commissions an independent report by the Adjunct Professor Christopher M Doogan in response to the Moss report. October 15, 2015 Nauru police raid Save the Children offices are raided twice by Nauruan Police accompanied by Australian Border Force. Laptops and phones are seized. Staff are accused of leaking information, especially emails regarding journalists' entry to the centre from the Nauru Operations Manager. October 31, 2015 Transfield wins Nauru contract Transfield (now BroadSpectrum) takes over Save the Children's welfare services role on Nauru, after winning the bid for Save the Children's contract which expired on October 31. The contract outlines that they will also manage security on Nauru and Papua New Guinea and is worth $1.2 billion. A handful of Save The Children employees remain on island to finalise affairs and complete the transition to the new service provider. They say they are completely off the island by mid-November. January 15, 2016 Doogan report public The second review by the Department of Immigration, the Doogan report is made public. It says Save the Children workers should receive compensation and that their removal was not justified. February 22, 2016 Compensation claim lodged Lawyers for nine Save The Children workers lodge to seek compensation from the Federal Government for nearly $1 million for the loss of income, pain and humiliation the forced removal caused. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-22/timeline-save-the-children-workers-on-nauru/7180992
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Birb Katter posted:I think the average pedestrian is probably sharper intellectually than the average driver, because for years and years he's had to live by his wits. Consequently, there has evolved a race of pedestrians who are more agile mentally than the rest of us. This but unironically.
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I'm the first to admit I speed way too much and occasionally break other road rules to make my life easier but jesus loving christ how are you so loving stupid as to not realize that if you hit someone at a pedestrian crossing that is ALWAYS your fault?? You shouldn't have a drivers license, holy poo poo.
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BABY ASHA'S LAWYERS SAY THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE SHE OR HER FAMILY ARE A small but scary and upsetting update to the baby Asha story - her lawyers have now sent statements to media, saying they literally do not know where Asha or her family are, nor can they get in contact with them. #LetThemStay protestors felt as though they had received an (albeit small) victory yesterday, as it was announced that Asha would not be deported to Nauru, and would instead be in community detention in Australia. Lady Cilento Children's Hospital in Brisbane posted an update this morning saying that Asha had been discharged from their care. And now, her family lawyer, Daniel Webb, Director of Legal Advocacy at the Human Rights Law Centre says they have not even been informed of the family's whereabouts and are "concerned: "We have not been told where our client is currently located. We have formally requested access to our client repeatedly over the last 3 days but that access has been denied. We remain concerned for the welfare of our client, and request that we be able to speak to the family immediately to ascertain their welfare, location and receive instructions." The legal group also included statements from Natasha Blucher, Family Advocate: "I am very concerned for this family’s welfare. The usual process for community detention is the family is free to come and go, contact whomever they wish and try and lead a normal life. I am still being denied access to this family, and they have been unable to call me and other support people. I don’t understand why this is happening given the Minister’s commitment yesterday was that he would remove the family to community detention." as well as Shen Narayanasamy, who is the Human Rights Director for Getup!: "Yesterday, Immigration Minister Dutton fronted the nation’s press and announced Baby Asha and family would be moved into the Australian community. The Minister was forced into this policy backflip as a result of the community outcry and clinical decision made by Lady Cilento Hospital that neither detention in Brisbane, nor detention in Nauru was a safe home for this family. Baby Asha’s family were then moved from the hospital at 4am this morning to an undisclosed location. The family’s lawyers and advocates have all been denied contact with this family. Currently, we do not know where Baby Asha is, and remain concerned for the welfare of this family." We will keep you updated as we know more information. In the mean time, lets all keep Asha and her family in our hearts today.
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Only need the top half for interviews. Surely some pollie at some stage has been sitting behind their desk to camera with pyjama pants on.
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Big Willy Style posted:What does auspol think about lollipop ladies? An upstanding pillar of our society, helping to defend pedestrians, especially children, from the scourge of the automobile.
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Big Willy Style posted:What does auspol think about lollipop ladies? Bolshie menace, just like traffic lights
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gay picnic defence posted:Bolshie menace, just like traffic lights 
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Anidav posted:Now is probably the perfect time for the ALP to change its policy on offshore detention without facing the blunt object known as the racist bogan vote. This post assumes the ALP wants to change its policy and would if it could
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Big Willy Style posted:What does auspol think about lollipop ladies? Target practice for my irl Carmageddon game. If they didn't want to be run over they shouldn't be standing in the middle of the road. They only have themselves to blame.
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Jonah Galtberg posted:This post assumes the ALP wants to change its policy and would if it could No don't you see the ALP are noble souls forced at gunpoint into supporting torture.
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hooman posted:I only chose that limit because that is the current maximum for the state I live in. I'm totally open to having a discussion about what "safe" speeds are, or about what reasonable maximum speeds are. I'm trying to get an understanding of the rationalisation behind why cars are made to be able to go faster than that. The authoritarian megahitler that I am. Because if you make an engine that tops out at 110kmh it is A)super slow to get to that max speed and B) running at maximum output for long stretches of time (highway) is going to cause a lot of catastrophic failures. Air Fuel ratio on a traditional engine allows you to run a very lean mixture at cruising speed leading to much better efficiency, whereas running your engine at maximum output would mean you need a richer mixture that results in increased fuel consumption. on top of that you also need to be able to tow things, or fill the car with crap/people/both and then suddenly your engine that tops out at 110kmh with a single occupant is now overheating and running inefficiently when theres a family and a weeks worth of luggage in the car or a small boat trailer on the back. which then all comes back to the efficiency of the engine, higher load needing more accurate and rich fuel mixture, more chance of failure, etc. HookShot posted:I'm the first to admit I speed way too much and occasionally break other road rules to make my life easier but jesus loving christ how are you so loving stupid as to not realize that if you hit someone at a pedestrian crossing that is ALWAYS your fault?? You shouldn't have a drivers license, holy poo poo. I dont think anyone is arguing that, Im not. Being a pedestrian is not a right to throw away your concern for your own personal safety though and just take right of way without a second thought, because as we have discussed, not all pedestrians or drivers are paying attention. Laserface fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Birb Katter posted:How about we make lockout laws from 3pm rather than 3am. When the suits can't get a beer after work the narrative will change. How about making modest incremental changes and evaluating the effect? BBJoey posted:Bring in prohibition imo, alcohol merely promotes immoral behaviours and distracts people from what is truly important: full communism now. You joke but many people mistakenly believe regulations are a slippery slope towards prohibition. They are idiots. quote:Prohibition is the opposite of regulation. Regulation works to the extent that it allows some level of social activity to continue; it becomes counterproductive when it drives users underground. Thus, in relation to alcohol and tobacco, we see a range of licensing controls, plain packaging laws, and so on, which limit the harms associated with these drugs precisely by adopting a regulatory approach. https://theconversation.com/groundhog-day-why-the-asylum-problem-is-like-the-drug-problem-16888 quote:regulation and prohibition are fundamentally distinct legal regimes. The contrast between them is one of kind, not just degree http://wpsa.research.pdx.edu/meet/2012/carcieri.pdf KingEup fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Anidav posted:I would argue that people like Terri Butler are held at gunpoint on it and she wishes she was a Greens MP every day. If only she had some choice in what political party to hold membership in. Peter Dutton should unironically loving hang himself.
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