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I said come in! posted:What benefit is there for a start up company to operate in San Francisco anyways? Why not somewhere in the midwest or like Arizona, Utah, and Nevada where it's really cheap to live and operate a business? In CA non compete clauses of contracts are non enforceable. I know I family in Las Veges the husband did work for a casino but got a offer for a better gig at a rival casino, and he quite his job to start the new one then he learned about how he signed a non compete contract preventing him from working in the same field for 6 months, really hosed them good. So if you are a programer and go to Nevada you can get a job where the terms of your employment are "work for me or not at all"
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max4me posted:In CA non compete clauses of contracts are non enforceable. What is the purpose of these contracts? What do the companies have to gain?
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Feb 23, 2016 07:02
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Clochette posted:What is the purpose of these contracts? What do the companies have to gain? Retention at lower wages, or just the chance to screw over rival companies.
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Feb 23, 2016 07:06
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Clochette posted:What is the purpose of these contracts? What do the companies have to gain? The only times I've seen them are when you are doing sales/services and have clients that you could poach away.
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Feb 23, 2016 07:09
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-S- posted:i showed my dad that the $3.25/hr he earned in 1972 was equivalent to $18.50/hr today and he actually changed his opinion re: "they want $15/hr to flip a burger? i worked for $3.25 at the saw mill" or whatever. a good dad. I'm not sure the near retard at McDick's that can't make change without a computer and is incapable of remembering that I said I wanted two loving mcdoubles, not one, is worth nearly as much as an operator at a saw mill.
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Feb 23, 2016 07:11
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Decrepus posted:The only times I've seen them are when you are doing sales/services and have clients that you could poach away. I've seen them applied a lot more broadly, to people in plain old consulting roles, basically to discourage people from quitting to find better jobs in the same field.
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Feb 23, 2016 07:29
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id like to sign up for some of the finest pants u can even imagine and they're gonna be enourmous
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Feb 23, 2016 08:08
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radiatinglines posted:I don't know what would be more retarded, the dude thinking that 12hr weekly would be 840 dollars, or the dude thinking that 420 weekly is a living wage Considering you seem to be completely unaware that a "paycheck" refers to every 2 weeks of paid hours, also stated in the article, you're not really in a position to claim you know anything about income/salary/living wages.
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Feb 23, 2016 09:51
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Clochette posted:What is the purpose of these contracts? What do the companies have to gain? Here is a scenario, lets say you and I are business owners together with an air conditioning and heating company. We mostly service apartments run by big management companies. I decide I dont want a partner so I offer to buy you out. I give a big check which you use to start a competing company and you work to get as much of the old contracts as you can. Thus I take two hits one in the form of capital and two in the forum of competing with someone who knows exactly how my business runs. So part of the buy out could have a clause that you dont start any companies competing with me. But these contracts are also used for say someone working at subway. See if they leave they need to be restricted from sharing their food service skills with other sandwhich shops. But california has a law that prevents the restriction of competition and the courts have ruled that non compete contracts arent enforceable here. This lead to SV having gentlemen s agreements not to poach each others employees
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Feb 23, 2016 12:17
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Clochette posted:What is the purpose of these contracts? What do the companies have to gain? Companies get away with most of the reprehensible poo poo they do with respect to employees, not because they have the legal power to do so, but because it's pretty loving easy to convince employees that they do. Non-competition agreements are largely just another way companies have of subjugating their employees. I work in Canada, which has some pretty good employee protection laws, and I was seriously handed an employee agreement that said (among other stupid poo poo) "I acknowledge that I am working 'at-will' and that employment can be terminated by either party with 5 days notice." That's simply not legal here. All of my coworkers signed because they felt they had to to keep their jobs. I didn't. Two years later, most of them have been laid off, but I'm still around.
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Feb 23, 2016 12:24
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I don't get why people trash having roommates. Roommates make it harder to be haunted by ghosts - you're statistically more likely to be haunted if you live alone. More people in a house = less ghost spookiness. Do the math.
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Feb 23, 2016 12:58
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runupon cracker posted:Companies get away with most of the reprehensible poo poo they do with respect to employees, not because they have the legal power to do so, but because it's pretty loving easy to convince employees that they do. Non-competition agreements are largely just another way companies have of subjugating their employees. Sadly in other places its a condition of employment to be hired in the first place. See also: peeing in a cup and signing away your right to sue/join a class action suit for "arbitration". Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Feb 23, 2016 13:01
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Decrepus posted:The only times I've seen them are when you are doing sales/services and have clients that you could poach away. I've had to sign them when selling businesses. It's so you don't immediately launch a competitor.
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Feb 23, 2016 13:30
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Ronwayne posted:Sadly in other places its a condition of employment to be hired in the first place. See also: peeing in a cup and signing away your right to sue/join a class action suit for "arbitration". It usually is here, too. But these guys played things pretty fast and loose at the beginning and didn't start cracking down on stupid HR policies until an IPO looked like it might be a thing. For further humor, they also tried to get me to sign an NDA/non-competition agreement three and a half years after I started, including a clause stating that I couldn't do contract work for other companies for any reason without their permission. I came back to them saying that I wouldn't sign any such agreement without due consideration and an actual employment agreement that was worth a drat. They said, "uhh, we'll get back to you on that." That was a year and a half ago, and I haven't heard a peep since.
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Feb 23, 2016 13:36
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I've had to sign them as a software developer in the states. They don't want another company offering me more money, that's the bottom line. Basically it lets the companies collude and say "lets not pay someone any more than X for job Y". They don't "own" regular workers like they do H1-B, so they need some leverage on you. One of the reasons I moved back to Canada.
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Feb 23, 2016 13:36
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FrankieGoes posted:I'm not sure the near retard at McDick's that can't make change without a computer and is incapable of remembering that I said I wanted two loving mcdoubles, not one, is worth nearly as much as an operator at a saw mill. As someone who works in a saw mill, you'd be very, very surprised. I myself am dumb as hell.
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Feb 23, 2016 13:52
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sorry to buzz in like a 27-page thread but is there an actual job that is writing twitter jokes that pays money updating the twitter is like task #804 for the marketing girl that sits behind me (ignorant STEM degree holder)
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Feb 23, 2016 14:03
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Posting on the company Twitter was part of my job a few years ago. But it was something I was supposed to do along side answering phones, managing complaints, troubleshooting and redirecting forms to the proper departments, troubleshooting and testing the software used to create business, among other things. No one is going to pay thousands of dollars a year for you to download and pre stock tweet deck each Monday then sit through the rest of the week just making sure the program posted when you scheduled it to
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Feb 23, 2016 14:07
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My non-compete is turbo hosed. It lasts for a year and I am actually legally obligated to report to my company who I'm working for after I leave. I made them kick a decent severance into the contract to even things out, but goddamn corporations suck. The funny thing is they're all concerned about me working in the same industry and I couldn't give a gently caress less. It's like telling a house painter they can't paint houses blue for a year. Uhhh ok, fine.
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Feb 23, 2016 14:09
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pentyne posted:Considering you seem to be completely unaware that a "paycheck" refers to every 2 weeks of paid hours, also stated in the article, you're not really in a position to claim you know anything about income/salary/living wages. I get paid every week and it's called a paycheck lol All I did was not read the lovely article in the gbs thread, you're the guy who said 420 a week isn't that bad
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Feb 23, 2016 14:37
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I know a guy who is the "social media representative" for the local power company. Why the regulated, utility monopoly needs marketing is still beyond me.
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Feb 23, 2016 16:59
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canyoneer posted:I know a guy who is the "social media representative" for the local power company. Why the regulated, utility monopoly needs marketing is still beyond me. To respond to bad press.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:04
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yoloer420 posted:I've had to sign them when selling businesses. It's so you don't immediately launch a competitor. that seems reasonable. also the sales one
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Feb 23, 2016 17:08
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if you're a big company like idk American Airlines or something and you're getting thousands of angry tweets from people who had delayed flights i could see managing all that poo poo being someone's full time job
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Feb 23, 2016 17:10
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Klyith posted:for writing like that, you get paid marginally more than you got paid for writing a post on forums.somethingawful.com But we can make it up on volume.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:17
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canyoneer posted:I know a guy who is the "social media representative" for the local power company. Why the regulated, utility monopoly needs marketing is still beyond me. Solice Kirsk posted:To respond to bad press. Yeah, you explain why outages happened (drunk hit a pole, windstorm, bird spread its wings too wide), and how hard the linemen are working to fix it. There's a lot of politics in periodic rate reset cases, and lovely service or "gently caress you, I got mine" attitudes will not help convince someone to give you a decent ROI.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:23
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de_dust posted:I don't get why people trash having roommates. Roommates make it harder to be haunted by ghosts - you're statistically more likely to be haunted if you live alone. More people in a house = less ghost spookiness. Do the math. Yeah but what about insane asylums??
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Feb 23, 2016 17:29
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SHISHKABOB posted:Yeah but what about insane asylums?? I believe you're referring to the Stantz Populous/Haunting Index that states the larger the area the more "living beings" need to be there to keep the hauntings from becoming noticeable. So a place like a large abandoned insane asylum would need more than just a couple of roommates living there to keep the hauntings at bay.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:36
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She's in San Francisco anyway, so the ghosts there would just be like a confused old hippy or a gay ghost who writes 'CLEAN UP IN HERE' on her bathroom mirror when she's turned away
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Feb 23, 2016 17:41
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Feb 23, 2016 17:43
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You owe me a new table.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:44
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Club Sandwich posted:As someone who works in a saw mill, you'd be very, very surprised. I myself am dumb as hell. I didn't really mean saw millers were smart, just that they're probably worth more due to being more physically demanding work and probably more dangerous. Is your sawmill in DT SF? Talia may be interested in employment there if it is.
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Feb 23, 2016 17:56
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max4me posted:In CA non compete clauses of contracts are non enforceable. That non compete probably wasn't enforceable. Non competes vague enough to cover "the field" do not stand up in court, as no company can reasonably request that a programmer stop being a programmer and such. How did he "find out" about it? Did his former employer threaten him? For reference: http://thechicagofinancialplanner.com/2014/05/08/is-your-noncompete-enforceable/ Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Feb 23, 2016 18:07
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TheWhiteNightmare posted:That non compete probably wasn't enforceable. Non competes vague enough to cover "the field" do not stand up in court, as no company can reasonably request that a programmer stop being a programmer and such. It doesn't matter if they are enforceable, that's not the point. The point is, your former company already has lawyers on retainer. You have to foot those legal bills. I worked for a dude who went through a non-compete lawsuit when he started his new company. He lost to the tune of a million or so, and was lucky to ever the new company off the ground at all.
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Drogue Chronicle posted:Yeah, you explain why outages happened (drunk hit a pole, windstorm, bird spread its wings too wide), and how hard the linemen are working to fix it. There's a lot of politics in periodic rate reset cases, and lovely service or "gently caress you, I got mine" attitudes will not help convince someone to give you a decent ROI. I understand that part, but when they spent $2 million to have a banner up at the Superbowl and have billboards up all over town in expensive locations it doesn't make me sympathetic to their rate increases
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Feb 23, 2016 18:17
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reallivedinosaur posted:It doesn't matter if they are enforceable, that's not the point. The point is, your former company already has lawyers on retainer. You have to foot those legal bills. That's if it actually goes to court, and I don't know how common that is. Casinos are probably scummy enough to do it though. Sucks for your boss. Starting a new company under a non compete is probably a whole different ball game than just getting a job in your field.
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Feb 23, 2016 19:09
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This non compete thing sounds a little fishy. Isn't competition ... good???
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Feb 23, 2016 19:16
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SHISHKABOB posted:This non compete thing sounds a little fishy. Isn't competition ... good??? Not for people already making a lot of money
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Feb 23, 2016 19:18
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People with successful businesses found out quite a while ago that part of success is using the legal/political system as a weapon to destroy the competition.
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